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Quad Core Mac Pro Price Will Not Go Down After 8-Core Option Is Added

tteerts said:
Are we pretty hopeful that they will actually make their appearance next month? They are overkill for me, but I might like to see them just to drive down the price of the current Mac Pro a bit (which I would then pounce on) - but I would also rather not get into the waiting game that has spanned several months and threads for the MBPs...
You misunderstand. Quad Core Mac Pro Price Will Not Go Down After 8-Core Option Is Added. The 8-Core version will not replace nor change the price of the 4-core Mac Pro. It will simply be an added option to the existing offering:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]


Will be added to the Processor section of the customizer page. Or perhaps Apple will only offer the 2.66GHz for +$1200 to avoid confusing the customers who don't do their homework.

Besides, the Mac Pro price is already reduced on the refurb page. Why not pounce now?
 
jaigo said:
Don't expect an update to the macbookpro at all this year. Apple will fall behind and come out with an update next year some time.

Please refrain from posting such messages if you can't stay here and post a more positive message. We are all here because we are hoping for the same thing, "Apple to update it by holiday shopping season". YOu are going against the forum's spirit
 
jericho 878 - quality problems as outlined are never fixed "once and for all". New processors, platforms and designs may all introduce new quality issues. Apple does have a serious design / quality problem - however, many of the isues are already fixed. My new 17" MBP is quiet, fast, and "ok" on the heat issue. The screen does suffer from some uneven illumination but not a big problem from my perspective. The seams fit, the keyboard is fine. Airport reception under 10.7.8 is "ok". I doubt that Apple will spend any more engineering $$$ on this first version with a new one so overdue.

Given the recent history - I am going to wait a bit for the early purchasers to report on how a new version works - and will only "upgrade" if there is some real advantage beyond Merom (like easy swap hard drives, led backlit screens, Santa Rosa platform, vastly improved cooling, etc.)
 
Who thinks its about time they showed us some new images on the apple mainpage?

I don't know about you but im getting tired of nano's and itunes already...MBP's soon pleaseee...

my last string of hope is that the mainpage of the site hasnt been updated in a while and that soooonn theyll change it to show a nice new anondized black MBP with some nice new marketable and competitive specs...but i cant help but think that if they update it for a new nano or something else and not for C2D then we wont see them till about thanksgiving or worse...next year...scary.
 
Apple Corps said:
jericho 878 - quality problems as outlined are never fixed "once and for all". New processors, platforms and designs may all introduce new quality issues. Apple does have a serious design / quality problem - however, many of the isues are already fixed. My new 17" MBP is quiet, fast, and "ok" on the heat issue. The screen does suffer from some uneven illumination but not a big problem from my perspective. The seams fit, the keyboard is fine. Airport reception under 10.7.8 is "ok". I doubt that Apple will spend any more engineering $$$ on this first version with a new one so overdue.

Given the recent history - I am going to wait a bit for the early purchasers to report on how a new version works - and will only "upgrade" if there is some real advantage beyond Merom (like easy swap hard drives, led backlit screens, Santa Rosa platform, vastly improved cooling, etc.)
I've pretty much come to the same conclusion. My 15" MBP does pretty well. I was going to upgrade to a 17" as soon as Apple upgraded to Merom...but the delay has given me time to rethink. I'm now leaning toward waiting for these other upgrades in addition to Merom.
 
Multimedia said:
You misunderstand. Quad Core Mac Pro Price Will Not Go Down After 8-Core Option Is Added. The 8-Core version will not replace nor change the price of the 4-core Mac Pro. It will simply be an added option to the existing offering:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]


Will be added to the Processor section of the customizer page. Or perhaps Apple will only offer the 2.66GHz for +$1200 to avoid confusing the customers who don't do their homework.

Besides, the Mac Pro price is already reduced on the refurb page. Why not pounce now?
I would like to reference this plus another post you made a page or two back citing this upgrade happening in November. This has likely been linked before, but I can't find it. Is this fairly certain?

I'm wondering if this is the case if it wouldn't indicate a MBP upgrade before November? Apple likes to let each upgrade have the "limelight" exclusively for a while...and since the MBP was released prior to the Mac Pro, it seems plausible that they would update it first. Thoughts?
 
Mr.Gadget said:
OK.... Say goodnight, or "no way"?

Can you believe this? I think it is a bunch of last minute grabs for money...
Like the author says, it is a bit unbelieveable that it could even happen...

Wow, what a read.

Wait, I know what happened... they actually spilled coffee in their lap while in the Intel conference room during negotiations about a completely unrelated deal. To not look like money grabing mongrels, they "made up" the patent thing. Yeah, that's it.

It's sad when someone doesn't get their way so they feel the need to tie up valuable court resources with a bunch of crap lawsuits.

I kind of agree with that post though, in the fact that a complete stoppage is extremely unlikely. Worst case is Intel sheds out some bucks and bumps up the price per processor $10 to recoup the loss.

And if it's been going on since the PIII's, then why in the world are they just now having discussions and then filing suit?

I totally agree there Mr. G, last minute grab for some fat cash from a struggling company.
 
Multimedia said:
You misunderstand. Quad Core Mac Pro Price Will Not Go Down After 8-Core Option Is Added. The 8-Core version will not replace nor change the price of the 4-core Mac Pro. It will simply be an added option to the existing offering:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]


Will be added to the Processor section of the customizer page. Or perhaps Apple will only offer the 2.66GHz for +$1200 to avoid confusing the customers who don't do their homework.

Besides, the Mac Pro price is already reduced on the refurb page. Why not pounce now?

Ahh... I see. That's fair - and yes if that's the case then there's no reason to wait. Thanks for the info!
 
Apple Corps said:
jericho 878 - quality problems as outlined are never fixed "once and for all". New processors, platforms and designs may all introduce new quality issues. Apple does have a serious design / quality problem - however, many of the isues are already fixed. My new 17" MBP is quiet, fast, and "ok" on the heat issue. The screen does suffer from some uneven illumination but not a big problem from my perspective. The seams fit, the keyboard is fine. Airport reception under 10.7.8 is "ok". I doubt that Apple will spend any more engineering $$$ on this first version with a new one so overdue.

Given the recent history - I am going to wait a bit for the early purchasers to report on how a new version works - and will only "upgrade" if there is some real advantage beyond Merom (like easy swap hard drives, led backlit screens, Santa Rosa platform, vastly improved cooling, etc.)


10.7.8?!?

Wow dude! Isn't that the 128-bit version, that reads your thoughts and eliminates the need for a keyboard and mouse? :D

Don't worry, just giving you a hard time. Couldn't help it. ;)



I do agree with you though. I either see an enclosure change, in preps for later offerings in '07 as well as adding in some features now like the HD access and some other minor tweaks, or something really off the wall that will make even a wait until Jan. worth it.

Maybe the adoption of the new chipset, and other parts of what will make the SR platform, or something that just hasn't been thought of yet.

Perhaps the engineers said "You know what, C2D is great, but let's make our pro line fully able to use it and rock the sock off the competition."

If the chip can't be fully utilized in its capabilities, maybe they did take the consumer into consideration a bit, and said let's make it better and so what if it's going to be a couple months after the others ship C2D. Take a small hit early to load the bases for a grand slam, so to speak.


Also, you make a very good point about the $$$ for engineering. We need to remember that this was indeed their first real launch for notebooks with Intel inside. Take a stab at it with a couple lumps, and gather up as much info as possible from the initial transition machine, to move forward in the future with the new platform.

Just a thought though. For all we know it could just as easily be a chip swap, but the supplies are limited. Who knows until it happens.
 
Please excuse my ignorance

jfsouza said:
well...i think its looking more and more like c2d updates will come at the London Expo...


Please excuse my ignorance, but isn't Apple U.S. biased? I figured since there is another photo expo coming up in america in november wouldn't that be the likely canidate?

Or what is the MacExpo in london all about?

I just though that Apple doesn't get products to outside of the states as quickly as we get them here so wouldn't it make more sense to release from an event here?

Note: was it the iMac G5 that was released out of the states?
 
They've definitely a lot of work do do

Apple Corps said:
jericho 878 - quality problems as outlined are never fixed "once and for all". New processors, platforms and designs may all introduce new quality issues. Apple does have a serious design / quality problem - however, many of the isues are already fixed. My new 17" MBP is quiet, fast, and "ok" on the heat issue. The screen does suffer from some uneven illumination but not a big problem from my perspective. The seams fit, the keyboard is fine. Airport reception under 10.7.8 is "ok". I doubt that Apple will spend any more engineering $$$ on this first version with a new one so overdue.

Given the recent history - I am going to wait a bit for the early purchasers to report on how a new version works - and will only "upgrade" if there is some real advantage beyond Merom (like easy swap hard drives, led backlit screens, Santa Rosa platform, vastly improved cooling, etc.)
I've just given up the wait and invested in a refirbished 2GHz 15" MBP. Impressed, but... it's extremely hot (I'm surprised that I'm not seeing solder pouring out of the bottom!); the battery life's a *lot* less than my existing PB12" (that easily does 4 hours plus, the MBP 15 just about does 3 hours if you're lucky); it's quite noisy as it wines all the time (OK, maybe it's got a British heart:); and I've found OSX to be less stable (I've had a few hangs and crashes which isn't that common on the old machine).

Has anyone else had the same experience? I'm not knocking it as it's a great machine, but it's far from perfect.

For me, I'm now coming to the conclusion that I'll not only wait for the new MBP, but I'll also wait a little longer so that the early adopters can suffer on my behalf.

My money's still on January:p
 
maverick808 said:
Say that again on Monday night.

He's right...these next two-three tuesdays are the real breaking point. If it doesn't get released this month, its highly unlikely apple will release anything in 2006. The education institue site is showing a delay of 2-4 weeks since last week on MBP 15in., and there are numerous stores reporting low stock of the current model. It is 90% coming this month.
 
lessthandmb said:
The education institue site is showing a delay of 2-4 weeks since last week on MBP 15in., and there are numerous stores reporting low stock of the current model.

Is this the same for the MacBooks? I think I have decided on a BlackBook, I am pretty happy with it without C2D. I don't think anyone is expecting much to be added to it except C2D, correct?
 
Meeting

Went to a meeting at a local company today. Was very envious when three people across the table from me all whipped out their MBPs. Two 17s and a 15. Nice.

It was all I could do to not bust out with "I'm getting one as soon as they go Merom."


:)

Neuroguy
 
Intel Ships Clovertown In November, So When Apple Gets Theirs Can Sell & Install Them

shadowlander said:
I would like to reference this plus another post you made a page or two back citing this upgrade happening in November. This has likely been linked before, but I can't find it. Is this fairly certain?
Nothing is fairly certain when it comes to Apple. But Intel ships Clovertown in November so it could happen as soon as next month.
shadowlander said:
I'm wondering if this is the case if it wouldn't indicate a MBP upgrade before November? Apple likes to let each upgrade have the "limelight" exclusively for a while...and since the MBP was released prior to the Mac Pro, it seems plausible that they would update it first. Thoughts?
Well from my point of view the 8-core Clovertown is not a big deal - more of a finally here thing. Been known it was coming for most of this year. Wouldn't expect more than those line additions and a press release - so limelight is not what I expect it will get. More like piss off all the Mac Pro Quad early adopters if you know what I mean. ;)

I suspect most early adopters of Mac Pro did not already own a Quad G5. There's not a lot of difference between their power levels. So those of us with Multi-Threaded Workloads knew we needed an 8-core Mac even before Mac Pro was announced.
 
Passing On The 4MB L2 Shared Cache?

ChickenSwartz said:
Is this the same for the MacBooks? I think I have decided on a BlackBook, I am pretty happy with it without C2D. I don't think anyone is expecting much to be added to it except C2D, correct?
You are correct sir. Just remember you are passing on twice as large a L2 shared cache which goes from 2MB to 4MB in the 2GHz Merom.
 
In my econ class, we are doing a stock market game. I put a bunch of my money in apple so when they realese the c2d's hopefully the stock will skyrocket. Now i will have 2 reasons to be pissed if they aren't released in 2006!

P.S. I gues the ipods around the holiday season will help though.
 
Multimedia said:
You are correct sir. Just remember you are passing on twice as large a L2 shared cache which goes from 2MB to 4MB in the 2GHz Merom.

Why wouldn't the MacBooks be 2.0 Ghz? They are now.

Nevermind.
 
AppliedVisual said:
Oh lordy... I just had a terrible thought. What if we also see an updated red and white Macbook? Could this have anything to do with the Apple + Foxconn rumor. :eek:

I hope not...

are you kidding? if they released a gloss red macbook, i'd buy one in a second... actually.... i think i'd prefer a key lime macbook :)
 
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