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Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

poppe said:
Yeah I am a little confused about how there are these shortages... AI makes it sounds like it'll be a mere chip swap which will be such a disapointment... I probably won't get one if it is that. I need one. I'm sitting in my dorm, no television no internet (using g/f's comp), and i just can't understand why it'd be this long just for a simple chip swap...

As you stated the iMac has been shipping fine. Does anyone know if the iMac 2.33 Ghz C2D has shipped yet?
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Pricing out an iMac with 2.33 C2D says "shipping within 1-3 days." Don't know if this means people are actually receiving them this quickly, though.

I don't know about this either - most of the C2D laptops that I see advertised are 2 GHz or below. I'm sure that Apple won't ship MBPs with C2D unless they can get at least 2.16 GHz or better, to avoid at least the appearance of a retreat in processor speed from their current 2.16 CD.

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iBorg
 
iBorg20181 said:
Pricing out an iMac with 2.33 C2D says "shipping within 1-3 days." Don't know if this means people are actually receiving them this quickly, though.
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FWIW, I know two people that have them (2.33GHz 24" iMac), one person ordered they day they were first available and received it about 8 days later. The other person bought their's about 2 weeks ago. Had it in 3 days from clicking the order button.

iBorg20181 said:
I don't know about this either - most of the C2D laptops that I see advertised are 2 GHz or below. I'm sure that Apple won't ship MBPs with C2D unless they can get at least 2.16 GHz or better, to avoid at least the appearance of a retreat in processor speed from their current 2.16 CD.
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That was the case before with CD. Most notebooks on the market are the lower-speed chips. That's what most people need/want and they care more about battery life. A 1.66GHz CD notebook with a 13-14" screen can run 6 to 7 hours on a single battery charge and can be playing movies the whole time or running word/excel.
 
Andrew F said:
I think they may have been making the Merom MB and MBP for a while, but just stockpiling them.
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This may be a better interpretation to the quantity comment in that report... Perhaps it's not a shortage of actual CPUs that is the concern, but rather systems themselves. Apple could be anticipating a huge demand for the C2D update combined with holiday timing. Perhaps they have been stockpiling to be sure there are enough stock config systems to supply retail locations as well as to fill the CTO orders right from the start and to carry on through the end of the year.
 
poppe said:
Yeah I am a little confused about how there are these shortages... AI makes it sounds like it'll be a mere chip swap which will be such a disapointment... I probably won't get one if it is that. I need one. I'm sitting in my dorm, no television no internet (using g/f's comp), and i just can't understand why it'd be this long just for a simple chip swap...
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I completely agree. <snip> "several of Apple's retail partners waiting on new shipments of the company's MacBook notebook lines were recently told that shipments of "speed bumped" models are currently tracking for the first week of Nov."</snip> doesn't sound like much a revision in the making.

I had pretty much convinced myself that the wait was due to at least some minor overhauls. Guess we'll know in a few weeks...
 
It's not that Apple has been dragging its feet, say insiders, but has instead been waiting on Intel for ample supplies of the higher-end Core 2 Duo processors to facilitative its Core 2 Duo MacBook launch.
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notice how they say MACBOOK and not just MACBOOK PRO? both laptops will get the refresh!?;)
 
rand0m3r said:
yeah AI has been pretty reliable so far i hope they're right on this one. and i hope the "speedbump" is referring to merom.
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Apple could have introduced 2.33 GHz Yonah-based MBPs months ago, but the chip is way overpriced for its advantage over the 2.16 GHz Yonah. The "speed bump" should be the Merom; Apple is likely just waiting to have sufficient quantities of the 2.16 GHz chips that it doesn't have to drop the clock speed, as others have suggested.
 
at this point i'll be pretty much happy with anything, as long as they get a merom in the mbp. i need a new laptop soon, and whatever i buy will be kept for quite a while so i want to have as close to the newest technology as i possibly can. even the 'long in the tooth' (by apple standards) styling of the mbp is miles ahead of my relatively stylish vaio which i believe looks better than 99% of the other pc laptops out there.
 
:eek:

What if it's only a CD bump! Oh hell... I can't stand the thought of simply reading the threads.

OK, back to reality again. :D
 
AppliedVisual said:
I'm skeptical of the credibility of this [AI] report...
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Well, I am not. A lot of the signs out there are pointing to a release of updated MBPs (and MBs?) within the next couple of weeks, with next week being as likely (or even more likely) than the following week because Apple Expo London is a very convenient platform for this announcement. The lack of availability in outlets such as BB (only the black MB listed), CC (no 17" MBP) is one very strong clue, as are the huge delay in shipments to educational bulk buyers and the reports of shortages in Europe.

I’m looking forward to seeing the specs on the new MBPs. I’m with a lot of other people here who are saying that a simple processor sub will not be enough to make me buy one. Chances are that my next computer (which will be purchased next month no matter what) will be a Mac, but unless in addition to C2D the MBP receives better graphics (higher res, faster GPU, brighter LCD) and minimum 120 GB hdd standard at the same price points as the current models, I will opt in favor of a tricked out 24” iMac or a dumbed down Mac Pro. Oh well, I guess this makes no difference to Steve -- he gets his (ahem, my) check no matter if I buy a MBP or a Mac Pro :D
 
akadmon said:
Well, I am not. A lot of the signs out there are pointing to a release of updated MBPs (and MBs?) within the next couple of weeks, with next week being as likely (or even more likely) than the following
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Yeah, I agree with that. I was just saying that I'm skeptical of the authenticity of the report. More than likely it's a bogus source and/or AI is hedging their bets as these rumor sites often do. Then when the blind pig scores a truffle, they can claim how they had the inside skinny on the release when in reality they didn't. If they were wrong, they just shrug it off and move on. AI, Macnn and a few others were saying updated MBP at Photokina as if it were to happen. ThinkSecret oddly enough said nothing.... That's all.

But like I said, I agree... This next week just makes complete and total sense. Not only is there the London expo, but the Adobe Expo in Vegas as well and Apple will have a significant presence there and Adobe will be demonstrating pre-release versions of universal binary CS3 apps. Seriously, there is no better week than this next week for Apple to drop their announcment. After that, anytime between the 1st and 22nd of November really makes little difference. If they miss that window and fail to release by Thanksgiving / black friday / start of holiday shopping, then they may as well wait for MWSF.
 
In my rabid anticipation of the release of a C2D MBP (hopefully with a full refresh) I went to the store to check out the CD MBPs once again (along with some other stuff).

The 15.4" model MBP was there and so I played around with it for a little while. To my dismay it was probably about 100 degrees (F) on the top side and about 140 degrees (F) on the bottom side. Also, it had this strange buzzing noise coming from it during idling. The idling noise would go away as I moved the cursor around, but WTF?

I'm interested in switching because I'm looking for build quality... so this experience doesn't sit well with me. How does everything inside the case not melt (figuratively) together? And how can it sustain that kind of heat over several years without completely breaking down? And whats with that buzzing noise?

I'm looking to switch here in a couple weeks. Help me warm my cold feet (also a metaphor).
 
mbp vs mb

hey guys, i'm planning on switching to a mac as soon as the new ones roll out. here's my question - i work with the adobe creative suite 2 premium. outside of the lag i know will happen because of rosetta, what advantages does the mbp have over the mb? i don't really mind the smaller screen, cause i'll probably just hook it up to an apple cinema display at some point. besides a bigger screen, what other advantages are there to the *current* mbp for what i do (graphic design, some web design)?
 
AppliedVisual said:
I'm skeptical of the credibility of this report... The reference to waiting for ample numbers of Merom chips seems fishy. Other PC manufacturers are having no trouble shipping C2D systems within their normal build times and this includes Apple with the iMac. So far there has been no credible report of any sort of shortage or delay on C2D shipments from Intel. At the recent IDC, Intel stated that they are more than able to meet current and future demand for Core 2 processors. :confused:

But I think this is the time we'll start seeing a lot of predictions from the rumor sites about when the MB/MBP updates ship. Because if it's still going to happen this year, it basically has to happen within the next 4 weeks or not at all.
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i'm just as skeptical about it too. Of course people are going to speculate when it will come out since it only has about 4 weeks time to be released or no release until mwsf. Now we will see a rumor like this arise every week most likely. the credibility of Apple Insider isn't very good with c2d mbp with the exception of the one that they said that it would be released somewhere between the beginning of october and the beginning of november. I wouldn't get my hopes up one bit on this one.
 
akadmon said:
Let me make sure I understand: you're willing to spend what is (statistically speaking) something on the order of 2-4% of your remaining time on this planet just to save what - a hundred bucks?

Amazing!
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While that is certainly one perspective to take I don't view it in such a way. I don't NEED a mbp and won't until may or june (when I will be travelling). So I guess it's called patience in spending disposable income. Of course if I have more money to spend than I expect I won't have a problem with buying it earlier. Just considering my options here that's all! Besides, it's not like I will be biding my time at home twiddling my thumbs for that 2-4% remaining time on this planet, because that would really be a waste of a hundred bucks :rolleyes:
 
well i guess no one really knows except apple themselves. and u guys are right, AI were pretty firm about a photokinia release, yet nothing happened. and it could be that they're just having another stab in the dark with the early-november estimate.

but it would be stupid for apple to not release anything within the next month. there are all these ppl (including myself) waiting for the next MB revision which hopefully will iron all all the heat/discolour/shutdown issues that plagued the first release.

its hard to keep waiting, but i will for as long as i have to. so if apple won't release the new MB soon then they simply won't get my money.
 
Apple Will Still Be Able To Sell What They Release Faster Than They Can Get Them Made

MacSA said:
I agree, there has to be a certain number of potential switchers being lost due to the lack of core 2 laptops... even if it a small number.

There must be some technical reason for Apple being the only company not to be offering Core 2 laptops.
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The true switchers will stay the course. But there appear to be a few loud Fair Weather "Psuedo Switchers" hangin' out here. When Apple releases the new C2D MacBook and MacBook Pro they will not be able to keep up with demand which will almost exceed supply until January. I think that the reason for Apple to wait is to have enough built to satisfy the pent up demand - for the most part - ASAP.

I also think the same will be true for the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro. Most of us with Quad G5s have passed on the Quad Mac Pro as it is not much faster than what we've been with for this past year of less. Great thing about that model is Apple has to do NOTHING but add Clovertown to the Processor option part of the Customize page for 8 Cores to work on the same architechture as 4 do already.
 
I have let me self get worked up about something... Not good at all... This is like when I was dreaming that the 17 MBP would come with a sweet video card...

I know it's my fault for getting all hyped that there might be a refreshed design, but still I just can't figure out why they wouldn't? If it has taken this long why would they not? Just to work out heat issues? And that means no new design?

I bet alot that Apple will just drop in the processor... which I can't understand why it'd take so long. I mean Why do the iMac first? I would do the iMac and MBP second because look now its closer to Christmas time so it feels all nice and fresh and new. So your hubby or your father/mother could be all "Hey kids time for the a new iMac" I think that would be a more likely present then the MBP (this is all in thought that there is no refresh of the design).

Why? I ask Why?!?! Why the iMac?...

My ramble...

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Multimedia said:
The true switchers will stay the course. But there appear to be Fair Weather "Psuedo Switchers" hangin' out here. When Apple releases the new C2D MacBook and MacBook Pro they will not be able to keep up with demand which will certainly exceed supply for several months. I think that the reason for Apple to wait is to have enough built to satisfy the pent up demand - for the most part - ASAP.

I also think the same will be true for the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro. Most of us with Quads have passed on the Quad Mac Pro as it is not much faster than what we've been with for this past year of less. Great thing about that model is Apple has to do NOTHING but add Clovertown to the Processor option part of the Customize page for 8 Cores to work on the same architechture as 4 do already.
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Oh well that makes sense...
 
there's hope afterall

what do you know, theres hope afterall.... given all this AI rumors, and with the macbook stocks dropping... this is clear clear clear indication that this thread will reach 5000 posts:p
 
mautal said:
what do you know, theres hope afterall.... given all this AI rumors, and with the macbook stocks dropping... this is clear clear clear indication that this thread will reach 5000 posts:p
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maybe 10,000 posts if apple just doesn't release macbook pros until mwsf. just being curious but what is the longest thread ever?(not just macrumors, but the whole internet.)
 
Multimedia said:
The true switchers will stay the course. But there appear to be a few loud Fair Weather "Psuedo Switchers" hangin' out here. When Apple releases the new C2D MacBook and MacBook Pro they will not be able to keep up with demand which will almost exceed supply until January. I think that the reason for Apple to wait is to have enough built to satisfy the pent up demand - for the most part - ASAP.

<snip>.
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Hi Multimedia, Welcome to the real world!
For most of the people using Windows/Linux moving to OSX is not a religious thing, but rather choosing the right tool for whatever task they might need it.

I am considering the move to OSX since October 2005, however Apples very secretive nature has kept me from spending my money since. There was always something in the making and one is tempted to hold back until 'NEXT Tuesday'. I think for most people buying a MB or MBP is not a pocket money expense and in this case they research the market very well before they buy. (Mind you I am not talking about people who need their computers to do business - they have their own reasons altogether.)

If there is a chance that by next Tuesday you suddenly get much more (processing power, HD space, SW) for your money - you will wait - just another week. And another one...

As this goes on for a while and MB's and MBP's that were competively priced when they were introduced are now rediciously overpriced compaired to other systems on the market. So when finally (after all these gone by Tuesdays) one can not longer wait to buy, the move to OSX comes with a hefty surcharge that some are not willing to take. Apple should really address this by lowering the price for systems at the end of their lifecycle and giving you the choice of buying the old/cheap or new/expensive configuration.
They should make their moves transparent, at least in the computing side of the business, because it is a different thing if you buy an iPod or a computer that needs to run tomorrows software as well. Otherwise I don't think they will be able to continue to win over people from the PC camp.
 
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