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I'm In The Wanting Class Rather Than The Needing Class Of Anticipators

mdntcallr said:
Hi multimedia, you know the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem.

are you waiting and wanting a new MB or MBP yourself?

me... i would love a great new laptop. hope apple finally comes with specs i am anticipating. but am i bend outta shape like the rest of people waiting? nope.
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Me neither. While I would like a new C2D mobile Mac I don't want it as much as I do the upcoming 8-core Dual Clovertown Mac Pro. As money limitations are a factor, I will have to wait to get the C2D MBP after the Mac Pro next year.

So I'm just an enthusiastic observer and cheerleader for those who need one right away. On the other hand, if it's everything I want it to be, I will be more highly motivated to figure out a way to get one sooner than later but still after the 8-core Mac Pro in January so I can get iLife '07 with it. :)

If it's not everything I want it to be, I may wait even longer or opt for the C2D MB if I get to feeling the need for one this Winter. But by then, I will probably have the patience to wait for it to ship with Leopard as well as the Santa Rosa refinements or opt for a C2D MBP refurb if the Santa Rosa stuff doesn't matter to me - which from what I've read here so far doesn't.

I'm a charter Mac addict, user goup founder-leader, journalist and consultant since February 1984 so I have a lot of experience watching and studying each model as they come out. I like to think I can be helpful here due to all that time on the Mac and as a close observer of Apple's every move.
 
PC World C2Duo only 7 percent faster than Core Duo in laptops

PC World: "Laptops based on the new chips deliver only slightly better performance than portables based on Intel's first dual-core mobile CPUs."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127021/article.html

I'd rather a general update of features such as D/Layer DVD writers, 1gb standard RAM etc. C2D is useful but it's the complete feature set that is important.
 
philbel12 said:
This probably means nothing but if you go to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/wireless.html and click at the bottom right on "Intel Core Duo >" you get the "Looking for something at Apple.com?" message.

Either the link was meant for http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intel.html in the first place OR ... http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intelcore2duo.html is just about to show up but http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intelcoreduo.html now leads nowhere. Like I said, probably nothing ...
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On the french web site, clicking on "Intel Core Duo" leads you to a detailed "Tech specs" page. Nothing about looking for Merom:(
 
Eric374 said:
I'm thinking so too, if you go to: http://www.apple.com/imac/ for the iMac, and click on the "Intel Core 2 Duo" emblem on the page, it takes you to the same "Looking For Something" page. Interesting coincidence I think.
(maybe it's nothing though....)


Eric
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Clicking on the picture of the Intel processor on any one of the computer hardware pages (for iMac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, Mac Mini) takes you to a "Page Not Found" webpage.

What this means: The website manager for these pages is sleeping on the job.
What this doesn't mean: Core 2 Duo Macbooks and Macbook Pros.
 
Mobile Macs Will Be Faster Than 7% Due To 2.33GHz Standard Speed

Mooganic said:
PC World: "Laptops based on the new chips deliver only slightly better performance than portables based on Intel's first dual-core mobile CPUs."

Test Report: Mobile Core 2 Duo Okay, Not Great
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Yes but I think Apple will make the 2.33GHz Merom as the standard top models' speed so they will run faster than that study shows compared to the top 2.16GHz today - although not a lot.
Mooganic said:
I'd rather a general update of features such as D/Layer DVD writers, 1gb standard RAM etc. C2D is useful but it's the complete feature set that is important.
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I am also with you on the importance of a new feature set taking priority over the C2D move - although it's certainly a welcome serendipity. :)

1. HD Bay
2. Improved Ventilation
3. WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 screen option
4. eSATA
5. 4GB capability

are the features I want added to the current 17" MBP in that order. Can't think of anything else.
 
ariechel said:
Clicking on the picture of the Intel processor on any one of the computer hardware pages (for iMac, Mac Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, Mac Mini) takes you to a "Page Not Found" webpage.

What this means: The website manager for these pages is sleeping on the job.
What this doesn't mean: Core 2 Duo Macbooks and Macbook Pros.
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Well, thanks for taking my enthusiasm away today! :eek: ;)

Eric
 
I believe the biggest reason for Merom is the 64-bit capability. The other improvements are evolutionary and not a biggie. People overlook the fact that the current Core Duo cannot run 64-bit. Not a biggie now, but when 10.5 ships, we will want to be on the Core 2 Duo wagon.
(Unless I'm all wrong on the 64-bit thing!) :)

So, THAT is my only reason for waiting for the Merom update. All other factors are rather minor and not worth waiting for if you want/need a MBP sooner rather than later...

EDIT: OK, the Core Duo is a hidden 64-bit chip in 32-bit clothing, but it does not support EM64T like Core 2... How's that...
 
Multimedia said:
The best stopgap deal is the $949 1.83GHz Combo MacBook on Apple's SAVE page. It will have a pre-owned resale value of $800-$949 anytime in the next 6 months.
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Amazon has brand new ones for $999 after $100 rebate and you don't pay tax. Also a pretty good deal.
 
Amazon Is A Better Deal Then

bigwillis said:
Amazon has brand new ones for $999 after $100 rebate and you don't pay tax. Also a pretty good deal.
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I live in CA where sales tax would be almost $80 so the Amazon is an even better deal if you live in a state where there is sales tax. Good find bigwills. Thanks.
 
not happening til next month...

well... the wednesday theory has come and gone... i really don't think it will be out until next month, maybe even next year... sadness :(
 
Wow. I really have reached the point of no longer caring. That doesn't mean that I'm buying now. It just means it could come out in November 2007 and I'll wait to buy it then.
 
Mr.Gadget said:
I believe the biggest reason for Merom is the 64-bit capability. The other improvements are evolutionary and not a biggie. People overlook the fact that the current Core Duo cannot run 64-bit. Not a biggie now, but when 10.5 ships, we will want to be on the Core 2 Duo wagon.
(Unless I'm all wrong on the 64-bit thing!) :)

So, THAT is my only reason for waiting for the Merom update. All other factors are rather minor and not worth waiting for if you want/need a MBP sooner rather than later...

EDIT: OK, the Core Duo is a hidden 64-bit chip in 32-bit clothing, but it does not support EM64T like Core 2... How's that...
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64-bit applications/software won't be the norm for many years to come, by then i'll have already gotten a newer Mac well suited for 64-bit, as of right now, it's not necessary and 10.5 will run just as good with the Core Duo
 
deputy_doofy said:
Wow. I really have reached the point of no longer caring. That doesn't mean that I'm buying now. It just means it could come out in November 2007 and I'll wait to buy it then.
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same here
 
meepm00pmeep said:
64-bit applications/software won't be the norm for many years to come, by then i'll have already gotten a newer Mac well suited for 64-bit, as of right now, it's not necessary and 10.5 will run just as good with the Core Duo
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I'm concerned that Apple will start moving quickly to 64-bit (partly due to marketing more than need) when 10.5 ships and I will have a $3000 laptop that cannot run the apps. I'm just playing it safe when I have to make my once in 3 years purchase count.
 
meepm00pmeep said:
64-bit applications/software won't be the norm for many years to come, by then i'll have already gotten a newer Mac well suited for 64-bit, as of right now, it's not necessary and 10.5 will run just as good with the Core Duo
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Some numerical software packages, while not everybody's cup of tea, are already 64bit-aware. Matlab and Mathematica, for example.
 
Am3822 said:
Some numerical software packages, while not everybody's cup of tea, are already 64bit-aware. Matlab and Mathematica, for example.
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yes, you're right there are a few exceptions, but only a minute few... i don't think most software developers will make the transition to 64-bit applications for at least a couple years...
 
Mr.Gadget said:
I'm concerned that Apple will start moving quickly to 64-bit (partly due to marketing more than need) when 10.5 ships and I will have a $3000 laptop that cannot run the apps. I'm just playing it safe when I have to make my once in 3 years purchase count.
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yes, Apple will make the transition to 64-bit as quickly as possible on the hardware front, but third-party software developers won't migrate to 64-bit applications for at least a couple years... in 3 years (or more) it might become the the standard and by then you'll be ready for a new Mac, but i understand your view on waiting it out and getting your $ worth and a CPU that won't be obsolete any time soon
 
Part Of It Is A Psychological Difference Rather Than A Real Difference

meepm00pmeep said:
yes, Apple will make the transition to 64-bit as quickly as possible on the hardware front, but third-party software developers won't migrate to 64-bit applications for at least a couple years... in 3 years (or more) it might become the the standard and by then you'll be ready for a new Mac, but i understand your view on waiting it out and getting your $ worth and a CPU that won't be obsolete any time soon
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Yes but the Apple in-house applications will move to 64-bit much faster including Final Cut Pro Studio's Motion 2 and Logic Pro. So why not get the latest after it's out already? Might as well wait a little longer so you don't have that nagging feeling CD was the wrong choice.
 
Multimedia said:
Yes but the Apple in-house applications will move to 64-bit much faster including Final Cut Pro Studio's Motion 2 and Logic Pro. So why not get the latest after it's out already? Might as well wait a little longer so you don't have that nagging feeling CD was the wrong choice.
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you do have a point there... i guess it all depends on what types of programs you use or your requirements... as for me, CD is sufficient for my needs... i'm more interested in software being translated into Universal Binary then 64-bit
 
philbel12 said:
This probably means nothing but if you go to http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/wireless.html and click at the bottom right on "Intel Core Duo >" you get the "Looking for something at Apple.com?" message.

Either the link was meant for http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intel.html in the first place OR ... http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intelcore2duo.html is just about to show up but http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intelcoreduo.html now leads nowhere. Like I said, probably nothing ...
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The link was meant for http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intel.html because if you go to that page, and click back, you will be taken to wireless. I really don't think broken links is how Apple will release updates to their webpage. All webpages will be replaced at the same time.
 
Yeah, cause that's when Apple will get around to releasing the C2D MacBook Pros. ;)

You underestimate most developers.

Edit: As long as "most developers" != Adobe, MS, ... The NOT massive-behemoth-developers update pretty quickly. Take a look at how many apps have already been updated to Universal.

Edit-again: Look at Blizzard. They've updated several apps for Universal + Multi-Threaded GL ... that's not slow adoption. There are many examples, as long as you're not talking about Adobe.

meepm00pmeep said:
yes, you're right there are a few exceptions, but only a minute few... i don't think most software developers will make the transition to 64-bit applications for at least a couple years...
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