Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

[ThunderLounge]

On my computer the MBP and MB ship times are 24 hours and 1-3 biz days respectfully on both regular and education stores.

Same here, but the image/post is referring to the Institutional store.

From the main EDU store, click the right side link (under the quote section), for Higher Education.

You'll have to select a school, and then it lets you into a store that has "HED" as part of the page name in the url.

It's well out of the way, and as you and the rest of us keep mentioning... shipping times don't really mean too much.

I guess if all the stores showed 6-8 weeks, then it might. But still, the recently mentioned article did say they were having some issues with supplying Yonah's as well.

 

[daneoni]

What to do...what to do

Hmmm, Mini to tide me over till MMBPs are announced or Mac Pro to tide me till Santa Rosa is released and shipping alongside Leopard and maybe even longer or wait. Honestly if i hear the word wait again i think i might just shoot myself. Any thoughts?

 

[ct-scan]

Except both Win64 and Vista run 64-bit apps considerably slower than the 32-bit counterparts. The 64bit code in Win64 is an ugly hack to enable IA32e's comptability mode.

MS write 'ugly hack' code...never! Hahaha!

 

[ct-scan]

Well, this is not exactly something I wanted to see...

Core 2 Duo Shortage

Not to say that Apple can't pull some weight, but I think you can forget the Macbook's getting the C2D's until Q1 07. Hopefully this won't effect the MBP's...

The problem with these articles, I feel, is that the large technology news sources haven't said anything about it. It sounds more like speculation than news.

 

[rajnigam]

The problem with these articles, I feel, is that the large technology news sources haven't said anything about it. It sounds more like speculation than news.

well, c'mon, there's gotta be a reason there's a shortage right? (apple)

 

[generik]

Hmmm, Mini to tide me over till MMBPs are announced or Mac Pro to tide me till Santa Rosa is released and shipping alongside Leopard and maybe even longer or wait. Honestly if i hear the word wait again i think i might just shoot myself. Any thoughts?

Go ahead and shoot yourself

 

[jericho878]

- the majority of C2D notebooks shipped by Dell et al. are from the lower speed-bins, whereas the MBP must use at least 2.0/2.13 parts and many expect 2.13/2.33 parts to be used.

What's to say that the majority of Apple notebooks won't also be shipped at the same speeds? Dell XPS systems with the 2.33MHz C2D have mid-October estimated ship dates.

- Dell et al. aren't shipping Merom in desktop systems. Apple are. The iMac is using Apple's initial allocation already.

I don't agree with the assumption that the initial allocation went to solely to iMacs. Just because they were released first, doesn't mean Apple has insufficient stocks for its MacBook lines. Most likely, again referring to the comments from Intel personnel, the MacBook line had engineering considerations that simply weren't necessary for the iMac line.

I agree, though to be fair, none of them are $3000+ -- they start at just under $2K. I also think you're a shade unfair to the GPU, given if they're sticking with ATI what else can they put in there? The x1800 draws too much power and is too hot.

Fair, none of them start at $3000 but opting for 2GB on the 17" does tip the scale over $3000.

Also, I'm predicting they'll switch to nVidia for the GPU, precisely because of the issues you mentioned on the x1800.

However, you're looking at it from the consumer's point of view. Product releases are dictated by Apple's point of view.

I disagree. Apple is a consumer products company. In such a company, there is no point of view that discounts or, at worse, disregards the consumer point of view.

 

[daneoni]

Go ahead and shoot yourself

Dude what is it, you've been on my case tis week. Do i owe you money or something. Im on to you...its ON!

 

[manic]

Well, this is not exactly something I wanted to see...

Core 2 Duo Shortage

Not to say that Apple can't pull some weight, but I think you can forget the Macbook's getting the C2D's until Q1 07. Hopefully this won't effect the MBP's...

The key to the question everyone has been asking is how tight merom supply is right now. When Apple moves to merom, if there is a shortage of merom, they will stop selling notebooks until they can get some more. If thats the forecast now, then Apple will further delay the release (although im pretty confident that mid-november would be the deadline).

however, after googling a little Ive found the article below which quotes Otellini saying theyre churning out C2Ds like theres no tomorrow. If that holds true, then maybe the update is imminent. Its all down to supply. If we can find out for real how many meroms intel is producing a month, we can estimate if the release is near or far

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061002234826.html

 

[Multimedia]

I Use Applications That Can Hose An 8 Core Mac Easily

Yes, and 2.66GHz woodcrests cost nearly half of what a 3.0GHz woodcrest costs. What's your point? You're comparing a mid-range non-shipping quad core part to a top of the line shipping dual core part.

I regularly use two applications that use 3-4 cores EACH so I need 8 cores. Each person needs to figure out how many cores the applications they regularly use simultaneously need to determine if 4 or 8 cores is better for their workflow pattern. In my case 8 cores will still not be enough and I will also still be using my G5 Quad simultaneously.

 

[manic]

I regularly use two applications that use 3-4 cores EACH so I need 8 cores. Each person needs to figure out how many cores what they regularly use simultaneously to determine if 4 or 8 cores is better for their workflow pattern. In my case 8 cores will still not be enough and I will also still be using my G5 Quad simultaneously.

Im sorry, but I have to ask... what do you do to need all this horsepower? Professional movie editing?

 

[ThunderLounge]

Im sorry, but I have to ask... what do you do to need all this horsepower? Professional movie editing?

Actually, that is what he's said several times before. HD video and other uses as well.


What ffakr was getting at is that the general user won't need that much power, even if they are a hard core gamer. The dual quad possibility, is more for extreme power users. Not that they can't use what there is now, as has been pointed out previously, but the point is that they could do it faster. Heck, if I could speed up my day to even twice as fast overall, I'd be happy as a clam.

 

[macman2790]

i think multimedia is waiting for the 80 core processor that will be released next decade.

jk

 

[ergle2]

What's to say that the majority of Apple notebooks won't also be shipped at the same speeds? Dell XPS systems with the 2.33MHz C2D have mid-October estimated ship dates.

Because Apple isn't going to ship an MBP with a processor slower than the current ones, and in the case of the 1.66GHz, slower than even the current MacBook processors.

Apple's not going to go C2D on the MacBook until the MBP ships with it.

2.33MHz? Slow Dell

Apple offers the 2.33GHz chip for iMacs as a BTO option. What's your point?

We know they exist. The point is there may not be enough of them.

I don't agree with the assumption that the initial allocation went to solely to iMacs. Just because they were released first, doesn't mean Apple has insufficient stocks for its MacBook lines. Most likely, again referring to the comments from Intel personnel, the MacBook line had engineering considerations that simply weren't necessary for the iMac line.

We'll agree to disagree then. It's all speculation based on what we know. To me, their upgrading the iMac at the very start of September and nothing since, plus the articles appearing suggesting shortages

Regarding what Intel said, that just says Apple had them ready. If so, that strengthens the argument that the reason they're not yet out is down to shortages of the processors they want. Why else would they sit on them? There may be another strategic advantage to having the product ready but not shipping, but I can't think of it offhand...

Fair, none of them start at $3000 but opting for 2GB on the 17" does tip the scale over $3000.

Indeed. But were I a betting man, I'd bet that's the worst selling combination out of their entire laptop line...

If we're talking general market here, perception probably matters most for the best selling model which I would assume is the vanilla 2GHz MBP.

Also, I'm predicting they'll switch to nVidia for the GPU, precisely because of the issues you mentioned on the x1800.

Re: nVidia, yeah. Go 7700 would be nice and 'do-able'; it draws less power than the X1600 and is ~50% faster.

I disagree. Apple is a consumer products company. In such a company, there is no point of view that discounts or, at worse, disregards the consumer point of view.

I didn't say apple discounted the consumer's viewpoint. I said they had a different viewpoint to the consumer.

 

[ergle2]

The key to the question everyone has been asking is how tight merom supply is right now. When Apple moves to merom, if there is a shortage of merom, they will stop selling notebooks until they can get some more. If thats the forecast now, then Apple will further delay the release (although im pretty confident that mid-november would be the deadline).

however, after googling a little Ive found the article below which quotes Otellini saying theyre churning out C2Ds like theres no tomorrow. If that holds true, then maybe the update is imminent. Its all down to supply. If we can find out for real how many meroms intel is producing a month, we can estimate if the release is near or far

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061002234826.html

Yeah, Intel's been wanting to move over to Core ASAP.

Bear in mind tho', the same wafer can make a Conroe or a Merom, so not all C2D production is dedicated to notebooks.

If demand for both is high, it's hard to say which way Intel would go; more profit in Merom, like, but potential loss of market share to AMD if they short Conroes, as the Pentium D isn't competitive. In the mobile space, Core Duo's still well ahead of Turion X2.

Depends what is considered most important to Intel, really...

 

[DHagan4755]

On my computer the MBP and MB ship times are 24 hours and 1-3 biz days respectfully on both regular and education stores.

It's the Education Institutional purchase, NOT the Education Individual.

Apple goes out of their way not to anger their education customers who place orders for items, only to have something new come out the next week. So they specifically start here with the clearing of the channel.

I have had this happen to me twice already...with the Xserve and the iMac. I waited and waited for Xserve G5s, and they just were delayed and delayed. Turned out when I talked to my Apple rep that the company knew they were coming and didn't want to anger customers who ordered them only to have the faster, better Xeon models essentially obsolete the G5 models overnight and have to pay for the return shipping expenses in swapping out G5 Xserves for Xeons. Same explanation was given to me with respect to the iMacs just before they moved over to the Core2 Duo.

 

[Multimedia]

Video Compression Applications Need More Computing Power Than 8 Cores Can Deliver

Im sorry, but I have to ask... what do you do to need all this horsepower? Professional movie editing?

HD to mp4 compression. Files starting at 5-7GB resulting in files 351MB currently takes several hours for each 40 minute "hour". An 8 core Mac will do it faster - still not as fast as I dream of - but nevertheless faster. The UB version of Toast 7.1 can use 3-4 cores for stage one of compression and Handbrake, still being optimized for Intel, currently uses 2-3 cores. I want to be able to run at least two of each all the time so the 8-core Mac will be easily hosed once I start the third one.

 

[chris07]

I was thinking...maybe my thoughts stand no chance, or (hopefully) they may hold to be true.

Maybe this upcoming release of the new MBP will be a dramatic update from the first model, incorporating all the fixes, as well as introducing the new C2D chip, as well as major improvements to the design and new features as well. In my mind, why would apple want to wait 'til January to release the "major update" to the MBP. There are two reasons why I don't think the updates will be at MWSF:

1. iTv. Apple will not, IMO, want to take away from the fame of iTV's release. Thus, a minor revision of the MBP may be plausible, but nothing big.

2. Why would Apple wait until AFTER the holiday season to release a "big" revision to the MBP. I believe that they would put in all kind of bells and whistles BEFORE Christmas to attract more buyers, then release a Santa Rosa update later.

Who knows guys, Apple may have something amazing up their sleeve to release in the next update to the MBP. There are things that we can't even imagine that they may be creating as we speak. Maybe the "excessive-secrecy" on Apple's part recently is because of something big that none of us are expecting. (Could be, but may be wrong).

Lets just hope some of this makes sense, and hopefully comes true.

Still waiting...

 

[macman2790]

I was thinking...maybe my thoughts stand no chance, or (hopefully) they may hold to be true.

Maybe this upcoming release of the new MBP will be a dramatic update from the first model, incorporating all the fixes, as well as introducing the new C2D chip, as well as major improvements to the design and new features as well. In my mind, why would apple want to wait 'til January to release the "major update" to the MBP. There are two reasons why I don't think the updates will be at MWSF:

1. iTv. Apple will not, IMO, want to take away from the fame of iTV's release. Thus, a minor revision of the MBP may be plausible, but nothing big.

2. Why would Apple wait until AFTER the holiday season to release a "big" revision to the MBP. I believe that they would put in all kind of bells and whistles BEFORE Christmas to attract more buyers, then release a Santa Rosa update later.

Who knows guys, Apple may have something amazing up their sleeve to release in the next update to the MBP. There are things that we can't even imagine that they may be creating as we speak. Maybe the "excessive-secrecy" on Apple's part recently is because of something big that none of us are expecting. (Could be, but may be wrong).

Lets just hope some of this makes sense, and hopefully comes true.

Still waiting...

to me that really makes sense. You are probably right about the "excessive secrecy". I think we have a pretty big update coming.

 

[chris07]

to me that really makes sense. You are probably right about the "excessive secrecy". I think we have a pretty big update coming.

I am really hoping for this a big update from Apple. I was just browsing the Apple site, and I looked on the SAVE! page. To me, it seems like there are a LOT of MBP's on discount there. Right now I count 8. Is this normal, or maybe Apple is trying to further deplete their inventory in wake up C2D MBP's?

You guys tell me...is this normal?

 

[macman2790]

I am really hoping for this a big update from Apple. I was just browsing the Apple site, and I looked on the SAVE! page. To me, it seems like there are a LOT of MBP's on discount there. Right now I count 8. Is this normal, or maybe Apple is trying to further deplete their inventory in wake up C2D MBP's?

You guys tell me...is this normal?

the times that i've checked there's only been about 2 or 3. I don't really know what this means though. Could be that they're trying to get rid of old display models, or they are open returns due to the speculation for merom.

 

[dkoralek]

The MacBook Pro is now listed as out of stock with 7-10 day wait times at the online U.S. Apple Store for Education Institutions.

This same time delay happened a week or so before the iMac was updated on September 6th, and is up from yesterday's times of 1-3 days for the 15-inch.

Meanwhile the 17-inch ship times decreased from 5-7 days to 3-5 days, and the MacBooks are all at 5-7 days. Again, this is all at the online Apple store for education institutions. Speculate on that as you will... I personally take that as a good sign for pending updates.

Now getting MBP 15" 2-3 weeks at standard and bto configs and 17" 3-5 days for standard configs and 1-3 days for bto configs (do they actually have already built bto configs that they are trying to dump because they weren't popular?, just seems odd that you can conceivably get a bto faster than a stock config).

hmmm... we can hope new models are just around the corner .

cheers.

 

[ergle2]

Maybe the "excessive-secrecy" on Apple's part recently is because of something big that none of us are expecting. (Could be, but may be wrong).

To me it just seems like SOP for Apple.

It's a Jobs thing in part.

 

[Bill Gates]

Now getting MBP 15" 2-3 weeks at standard and bto configs and 17" 3-5 days for standard configs and 1-3 days for bto configs (do they actually have already built bto configs that they are trying to dump because they weren't popular?, just seems odd that you can conceivably get a bto faster than a stock config).

hmmm... we can hope new models are just around the corner .

cheers.

It's still at 24 hours for me.

 

[macman2790]

It's still at 24 hours for me.

That's because your company is partnered with apple in many applications like Microsoft Office 2004.