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macman2790 said:
That's because your company is partnered with apple in many applications like Microsoft Office 2004. :)
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Considering that I'm using my own personal computer and that I'm assigned a personal, unique IP address I highly doubt that would have anything to do with it. :p
 
Thks Barnaby...

barnaby said:
Except both Win64 and Vista run 64-bit apps considerably slower than the 32-bit counterparts. The 64bit code in Win64 is an ugly hack to enable IA32e's comptability mode. Many of of the features of the the compatibility mode are just so this sort of thing is possible. The optimizations for the eight extra registers need to make it to the compilers though.

Tiger runs 64 bit at the kernel layer, but not at the GUI layer. i.e. they too are using the compatibility mode, albeit cleaner since (1) the OS is more processor neutral (shown by the near-effortless switch to Intel) and (2) 32/64 neutral since they've had to deal with G5's for some time.

The hardware isn't what makes Mac a Mac. It's the OS and the integration. You can run the same hardware with a PC. You can even run a hacked version of OS X on that hardware. But it still won't be a Mac.

btw. Most people don't need (in a laptop)
(1) 64 bit's for addressing memory
(2) 64 bit registers
(vector operations on Yonah [core duo] already support 128 bits covering photoshop, video editing, sound, etc.)

The place where IA32e (EM64) [aka 64 bit mode] comes into play is when you get double the number of registers to do compiler optimization with.
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...thks barnaby for clearing up this matter for me. I am only an old user (with lots of WIN experience, believe me...). It is the OS (X) which makes the difference. The hardware is only a tool the OS the soul. Microsoft could write an OS which uses hardware more efficiently, well they don't:confused:

I do not think that over 90% of the computer enthusiasts are stupid, having chosen MS Win, they just had no choice for a long long time. Now they do, and if APPLE Corp. does not screw up the hardware through very bad QC, all is well and on the way to become the most potent competition for Microsoft.
 
My guess is .... some tuesday.:)

BTW, I've been waiting for two month, but I'm going to get my MBP today or tomorrow, I can't believe that I am saying that for 3 day, every day reaching the Buy button, but never click on it because this almost-to-happen update....
But, as a Spanish student, I still have the ipod bargain... guess that is enough to buy it anyway, just one more day to give apple ship my MBP upgraded.... is so easy to dream.:rolleyes:
 
DavidCar said:
24 hours here also.
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It is 24 hours if you go through the main US apple store or the apple store for education (at least for me when i specify unc). However, if you choose to look at the institutional purchase (not individual) store (in my case, unc). I get different shipping dates. Try (http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/routingpage.html) and clicking on one of the right hand choices (such as "college/university proposal."

cheers.
 
DHagan4755 said:
The MacBook Pro is now listed as out of stock with 7-10 day wait times at the online U.S. Apple Store for Education Institutions.
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DHagan4755 said:
It's the Education Institutional purchase, NOT the Education Individual.

Apple goes out of their way not to anger their education customers who place orders for items, only to have something new come out the next week. So they specifically start here with the clearing of the channel.

I have had this happen to me twice already...with the Xserve and the iMac. I waited and waited for Xserve G5s, and they just were delayed and delayed. Turned out when I talked to my Apple rep that the company knew they were coming and didn't want to anger customers who ordered them only to have the faster, better Xeon models essentially obsolete the G5 models overnight and have to pay for the return shipping expenses in swapping out G5 Xserves for Xeons. Same explanation was given to me with respect to the iMacs just before they moved over to the Core2 Duo.
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This is the most promising evidence I've seen ever since this whole thing started back in... what was it again... early August? wow
 
DeVizardofOZ said:
The hardware is only a tool the OS the soul. Microsoft could write an OS which uses hardware more efficiently, well they don't:confused:
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The actual NT kernel is pretty well engineered (it's basically VMS re-implemented); most of the bloat comes from what runs on top.

Some of it is all the fixes, kludges and work-arounds that exist to keep old software working -- because that's a major reason MS has held onto the desktop for so long (and it's why the NT kernel appearing in the consumer lines of Windows was put off a few times).

Some of it is just all the bundled stuff which "the user wants". To an extent, they're right.
 
ergle2 said:
The actual NT kernel is pretty well engineered (it's basically VMS re-implemented); most of the bloat comes from what runs on top.
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All I have to say is David Cutler was the man. The NT kernel was a decent piece of software and was probably the most portable thing ever to come out of Redmond. The fact that it still remains in Windows derivatives to this day really says something about its design. But, as you said, you can only heap so much crap on top of something before it starts to get crushed...
 
laprej said:
All I have to say is David Cutler was the man. The NT kernel was a decent piece of software and was probably the most portable thing ever to come out of Redmond. The fact that it still remains in Windows derivatives to this day really says something about its design. But, as you said, you can only heap so much crap on top of something before it starts to get crushed...
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Indeed. Cutler's definitely a legend.

It's quite ironic that he detested x86, considering... I wonder if he still hates it?
 
ergle2 said:
Indeed. Cutler's definitely a legend.

It's quite ironic that he detested x86, considering... I wonder if he still hates it?
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Hell, I hate x86. That's why I went to Apple in the first place! I interned for Intel in 2000 and they were confident their Itanium line (code-named Merced) would replace it. I certainly hoped it would, but that was not to be. So I switched to the elegance of RISC. Unfortunately, no one can compete with Intel so far as their process is concerned, which in turn allowed them to dump gazillions of dollars into exploring every possible avenue to eek out any performance gain possible. So here I am, with a 2001 dual-800 RISC Mac, waiting to replace it with a 64-bit (but based off a 30-year old design) Intel that will mop the floor with it.
 
laprej said:
So here I am, with a 2001 dual-800 RISC Mac, waiting to replace it with a 64-bit (but based off a 30-year old design) Intel that will mop the floor with it.
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As far as I know, current x86 processors are in fact RISC, but with an x86 translation layer on top.

I may be wrong, however.
 
All Bets Are Off

shadowx said:
Well, this is not exactly something I wanted to see...

Core 2 Duo Shortage

Not to say that Apple can't pull some weight, but I think you can forget the Macbook's getting the C2D's until Q1 07. Hopefully this won't effect the MBP's...:eek:
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Yeah I was unaware of this shortage until I read this tonight. No telling when it will be aliviated, particularly if Apple wants to offer top of the line MBPs with the 2.33GHz Merom as I believe they will. So while I will continue to hope for the release in the next 6 weeks, I have no clue if it will really happen. This shortage could spell a delay into next year. But of course we really don't know how severe the shortage is. :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: :(
 
reflex said:
As far as I know, current x86 processors are in fact RISC, but with an x86 translation layer on top.

I may be wrong, however.
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No, for the most part that's accurate. I just hate anything and everything having to do with legacy stuff. It just slows stuff down and takes up chip real-estate. That was what was cool about the Itanium - minimal legacy support. And of course it failed to gain a lot of traction - shows what I know :)
 
laprej said:
Hell, I hate x86. That's why I went to Apple in the first place! I interned for Intel in 2000 and they were confident their Itanium line (code-named Merced) would replace it. I certainly hoped it would, but that was not to be. So I switched to the elegance of RISC. Unfortunately, no one can compete with Intel so far as their process is concerned, which in turn allowed them to dump gazillions of dollars into exploring every possible avenue to eek out any performance gain possible. So here I am, with a 2001 dual-800 RISC Mac, waiting to replace it with a 64-bit (but based off a 30-year old design) Intel that will mop the floor with it.
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When I did a lot of assembly coding, I didn't much like x86. I taught myself Z80 when still a kid, then 68K. x86 felt nasty after that... :)

However, it's rare I have to delve into assembly these days so to be honest, I don't care. That it works is what I care about. Software matters more to me at this point...

Quite a few people bet a lot on Itanium (HP, SGI, etc.) too. I suspect things might have been a bit different were it not for the upstart AMD with their 64bit x86... Intel lost customers who needed real 64bit computing to AMD where existing software didn't necessarily need a lot of work. Had it not been for AMD64, Intel and co. might have had more success pushing Itanium forward...

Frankly, going back to assembly, Itanium's no picnic either, but for very different reasons... :)

Of course, Itanium was designed for very efficient compilers which were just a year or two off (and still are a year or two off... ahem).
 
laprej said:
No, for the most part that's accurate. I just hate anything and everything having to do with legacy stuff. It just slows stuff down and takes up chip real-estate. That was what was cool about the Itanium - minimal legacy support. And of course it failed to gain a lot of traction - shows what I know :)
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The Alpha was arguably a better chip but killed by HP/Compaq because HP had already bet a lot on Itanium... a crying shame.

I still have an Alpha box in storage, come to think of it...
 
ergle2 said:
The Alpha was arguably a better chip but killed by HP/Compaq because HP had already bet a lot on Itanium... a crying shame.

I still have an Alpha box in storage, come to think of it...
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I had one as a freshman in college. As a freshman, I couldn't afford to upgrade the 16MB of RAM it had, so I had to sell it. What I wouldn't give to have that thing back :) Also had a Sun for a brief period of time (also during my freshman year oddly enough) The lack of a text-mode was painful on those things... And to think - somehow, all these years later, I'm just going to end up back in the Intel camp. Well, experimentation is what college is all about, right? ;)
 
laprej said:
I had one as a freshman in college. As a freshman, I couldn't afford to upgrade the 16MB of RAM it had, so I had to sell it. What I wouldn't give to have that thing back :) Also had a Sun for a brief period of time (also during my freshman year oddly enough) The lack of a text-mode was painful on those things... And to think - somehow, all these years later, I'm just going to end up back in the Intel camp. Well, experimentation is what college is all about, right? ;)
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LOL. Quite. :)

I've got a few SPARC machines. One of my monitors still sits atop an ancient IPX <G>

Of course, it's a little ironic, but there's SPARC, MIPS, ARM, PPC, etc. in so many devices around the house these days... some cables boxes are SPARC. My Nintendo DS is (dual!) ARM, my PSP is (also dual!) MIPS... I know one of my old microwaves was a 68K variant (I forget which one, there's been so many) ...

I'm not allowed to open the 'fridge up to find out what controls it ;)
 
shadowx said:
Well, this is not exactly something I wanted to see...

Core 2 Duo Shortage

Not to say that Apple can't pull some weight, but I think you can forget the Macbook's getting the C2D's until Q1 07. Hopefully this won't effect the MBP's...:eek:
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...."according to industry sources...."

Well i could post about how industry sources say something too but it doesnnt prove anything!

I think this story may be just a re hash of previous rumours regarding chip shortages.

As macrumors forums have proved there is quite a large number of people waiting for an update, so posting a story like this just gets the website hits and a lot of attention, 15 minutes of fame i say.

MBPs 10/10....... lets hope!
 
Is it just me or are most of you Merom-waiters (like myself) waiting for an MBP (and not an MB)?

Just to have an idea on what the demand is...
 
I've think i'll have to go with MB

weiss said:
Is it just me or are most of you Merom-waiters (like myself) waiting for an MBP (and not an MB)?

Just to have an idea on what the demand is...
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I think its going to be just plain ol MB for me... which makes the ratio 1 to about 1,000,000:p
 
mautal said:
I think its going to be just plain ol MB for me... which makes the ratio 1 to about 1,000,000:p
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:)

I'm also waiting on a (black) MB! I need a laptop that's portable enough that I can take it virtually anywhere, small enough that I can put it inside a regular backpack and good enough to work (I study computer engineering), use it for media purposes (listening to music, image editing, watching videos every now and then)...

I guess I'll just get myself a Macbook and upgrade its RAM and eventually its harddrive. The only weak spot is the graphic card (or the lack of a dedicated one), but there are some things we must sacrifice for the sake of portability, right?
 
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