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The trouble with this argument is AMD is not a "different CPU platform". Switching to AMDs just to escape the heat from lagging behind the latest C2D offerings is just like an ostrich hiding its head in the sand and hoping the danger will go away.

It wouldn't, even AMD's balls are getting toasted when Intel unveiled the Core which was drastically different from where they have been going. AMD has been sitting on its laurels for way too long, the last one Apple needs to team up with is them.

Besides with AMD comes a whole can of worms. I used to be quite an AMD fanboy even though I still prefer Intel systems, the latest C2D chips simply made it perfect. As you know AMD don't make their own chipsets, so what do you expect Apple to use for their Apple-AMD Macbook Pros? VIA chipsets? SiS? Some other stupid chip?

I have no issues with "no brand" solutions, except for the fact that stability wise they pale out BIG time to Intel's offerings. Switch to AMD and I will switch back to PCs so fast in less time than you can spell "MBP". Pure asinine.

Besides, AMDs run hotter than C2D offerings, check your facts first.

Sopranino said:
This is precisely why I believe that they may go to a different CPU platform so that they don't have to "keep up with PCs".

In reference to not jumping ship I think you will find that Apple may move back to using two chip vendors. (in this case they would continue with Intel for some of their computers and move to ,possibly, AMD for their notebooks) This is no different than when they were being supplied by both Motorala and IBM.

You are completely correct when you say that they wouldn't jump ship and I wasn't proposing a complete shift to AMD, my fault for not being clear on that.

I believe, as you have stated, that they are just starting to make money on the Intel side of things and may not have broken even yet.

Sopranino
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daneoni said:
Sure, but you'll have to tell me which ones to use, the only benchmarking tool i have is Xbench and thats for OSX only.....i think.
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Well, this is a tall order then, and maybe you'd better forget it, because what I actually had in mind was the polyhedron fortran benchmark: http://www.polyhedron.co.uk/pb05/polyhedron_benchmark_suite.html

(unlike some/most of the people here, it seems, I am more into numerics than multimedia applications).
 
generik said:
The trouble with this argument is AMD is not a "different CPU platform". Switching to AMDs just to escape the heat from lagging behind the latest C2D offerings is just like an ostrich hiding its head in the sand and hoping the danger will go away.

It wouldn't, even AMD's balls are getting toasted when Intel unveiled the Core which was drastically different from where they have been going. AMD has been sitting on its laurels for way too long, the last one Apple needs to team up with is them.

Besides with AMD comes a whole can of worms. I used to be quite an AMD fanboy even though I still prefer Intel systems, the latest C2D chips simply made it perfect. As you know AMD don't make their own chipsets, so what do you expect Apple to use for their Apple-AMD Macbook Pros? VIA chipsets? SiS? Some other stupid chip?

I have no issues with "no brand" solutions, except for the fact that stability wise they pale out BIG time to Intel's offerings. Switch to AMD and I will switch back to PCs so fast in less time than you can spell "MBP". Pure asinine.

Besides, AMDs run hotter than C2D offerings, check your facts first.
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You are quite correct about AMD and their lack of "chipsets" so that could be a strike against them.

You state that they run hotter than C2D chips do. This is only partially correct, C2D chips run hotter when under intensive loads whereas the AMD chips run at a lower max temp under the same load levels. (Conversely the AMD lowest temp is higher than the C2D) This was the reason behind the RTU manufacturer moving to AMD. Also there are stress tests that show a marked difference in the temperatures between C2D and AMDs chips. Unfortunately what I can't tell is if those tests were comparing apples to apples (sorry no pun intended).

It sounds like you have much more experience with AMD than I do. All of my information is gleaned from various reports, non from personal use, so your point of view is probably much more accurate. (Remember, I'm simply speculating)
 
all nighter

boy... i sure hope some apple engineer is pulling an all nighter sitting in front of that screen, reading this post and realizing how crazy we have all gone, waiting to update the page..
 
mautal said:
boy... i sure hope some apple engineer is pulling an all nighter sitting in front of that screen, reading this post and realizing how crazy we have all gone, waiting to update the page..
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I am fairly sure they are coming, seeing all the retailers run out of stock everywhere.
 
Surf and Turf said:
I to work for a school (teacher) and feel as if we should get free computer hardware. It is quite frustrating, I guess I'll keep doing what I always to get the frustration out......Beating my students and yelling at them.
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I hope you don't teach English or grammar :)
 
OdduWon said:
yeah in 7 hours we will all have to find new rumors :D
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Only 2 more weeks till the end of the month...

I really hope there is a redesign, let's face it, the real reason why a redesign matters is just so Apple won't chain yet another redesign during MWSF!
 
generik said:
Only 2 more weeks till the end of the month...

I really hope there is a redesign, let's face it, the real reason why a redesign matters is just so Apple won't chain yet another redesign during MWSF!
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needs to be something soon or MWSF will be like six hours long :D
 
OdduWon said:
needs to be something soon or MWSF will be like six hours long :D
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I rather it be later than sooner, if the later is due to extra testing and designing rather than sitting in a warehouse waiting for some marketing VP to give the stupid go at an event :mad:
 
seriously though, if apple has an agreement to order chips from intel at a certain date and MBP wasn't ready. they should have the chips stocked up and ready for delevery now. or as soon as the design is ready. still think they will come with xserve and shuffle. ipod cinema:eek: in nov....
 
OdduWon said:
seriously though, if apple has an agreement to order chips from intel at a certain date and MBP wasn't ready. they should have the chips stocked up and ready for delevery now. or as soon as the design is ready. still think they will come with xserve and shuffle. ipod cinema:eek: in nov....
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Why would they have an agreement to order at a certain date?
 
Seems like the refurb store now has 24 hour availability on all the current line of MBP's.....if there isnt a release today I am buying a refurb.
 
Foggy said:
Seems like the refurb store now has 24 hour availability on all the current line of MBP's.....if there isnt a release today I am buying a refurb.
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Go for it mate, one less Yonah MBP in their warehouses :cool:
 
generik said:
Go for it mate, one less Yonah MBP in their warehouses :cool:
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Thing is everyone says wait as long as you can, unfortunately I have put it off as long as I can and have to buy this week (which is actually a concern if they do release and I have to wait ages for it to arrive). At least if I get a refurb I wont be as p'd off when they release the C2D's as I will have saved some money.
 
Foggy said:
Thing is everyone says wait as long as you can, unfortunately I have put it off as long as I can and have to buy this week (which is actually a concern if they do release and I have to wait ages for it to arrive). At least if I get a refurb I wont be as p'd off when they release the C2D's as I will have saved some money.
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Still it is pretty sad, at that kind of prices you can buy two Dells with C2D in them. Although it is a Dell, but are you willing to pay twice as much for the OSX advantage?

That said I think the Mac Pro is really a great deal unless you really need the mobility.
 
generik said:
Still it is pretty sad, at that kind of prices you can buy two Dells with C2D in them. Although it is a Dell, but are you willing to pay twice as much for the OSX advantage?

That said I think the Mac Pro is really a great deal unless you really need the mobility.
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Actually yes. Have had 3 dells now and they are ok but nothing great. Decided with the last laptop I bought I wanted a bit of quality and bought a 17" Sony Vaio A497XP which has been absolutely fantastic (and cost about the same as a macbook pro) but I am just fed up with windows and cant be arsed trying to get everything going in Linux (spend enough time faffing on my other machines, the laptop is a work machine and needs to just work). Selling my vaio to my Dad and buying the macbook pro. £1.5k+vat and around that mark is what I expect to pay for a laptop, as long as they will last me a couple of years.
 
Phishin' it said:
What I meant was: will there be an update today? Is it too late?
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there could be but i doubt it, i think it will be either 17th or 24th... but knowing my luck it will be when the printer off finishes on 31st
 
I have to say i'm really starting to hate apple.

I've never owned and hardly even ever used a PC. I wish i could say well i'm gonna go and buy a dell but that would be a lie.

I don't really care about the fact iTunes are selling films, or a up coming Video iPod or any other of these cool products that aren't COMPUTERS.:mad:

They'd better be some re-design on the MBP to explain this wait or i'm gonna be really angry. I wish apple would try harder to keep it's loyal customers happy instead of chasing new ones so much.

What was the point in switching to intel if you're not gonna keep pace with the other PC companies. I'm also really unimpressed with the fact that apple hasn't re-designed anything in what seems like ages, the imac is the last thing that impressed me and that was ages ago before the intel swap.

Does apple think by not changing the casing along with the swap to intel it's customers won't notice?? I want a Mac Pro not a G5!

sorry for the rant... :eek:
 
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