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Re: Newton -> iWalk please!!

Originally posted by pik0

Now, having said that, consider this. The latest trend in home entertainment are devices that allow quick and easy recording of TV shows (a la Tivo and Ultimate TV). The other latest trend is moving from rear projection TV to front projection TV.....


Andrew [/B]
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Cable ready macs designed to replace the TV!


Anything replacing the TV would be revolutionary. Changing TV from one-way to two way, uniting interactivity and productivity with entertainment, would be big. Broadcasters would love this, as their flirtations with companion web sites for TV shows becomes more integrated. Customers would love it because of the simplicity of an all-in-one solution, with higher resolution.

The only reason our iMac isn't in the living room is that we have a TV and stereo there. It could boldly go into the living room/bedroom/dormroom/classroom with a few adjustments to the current design, as many have pointed out already.

Maybe it ships with a free Star Trek DVD...

Beam me up....

 
iBong

This isn't another STUPID hardware rumor/joke... so don't worry.

I know - I know, they were funny the first 500 times. But it's funny how a lack of humor will hardly stop those wacky jokesters from posting their iToilets and iBrators... (yawn)

So anyway, this is a real invitation:
Whoever wants to get high with me & Steve before MacWorld can join us behind Moscone (near the carousel) at 8:00am. Look for the tall skinny guy standing with the man in a black turtleneck (he'll probably be wearing sunglasses and a baseball hat also).

If you're holding don't be stingy... bring some to share with me and Steve.

And remember:
Puff - Puff -Pass. Right is polite. Steve will call you on that **** too... major pot snob.
 
OS X standadrd?

Originally posted by @lex
Come on dudes.. Apple is just refearing to Mac OS X... MAC OS 10 standard in all the machines....
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I really don't think the world is ready for OS X standard unless Adobe, Macromedia and Quark have all their acts together really really quickly.
 
g5!!!

I'm still convinced that TEN means this....
g5 = current pipeline 7 stages to TEN stages....+2ghz

Computer & tv all in that flatscreen imac that would be an orgasm! + wireless keyboard & mouse....yammie!
 
What we will get on Monday is looks and speed. Looks will be iMacs that look like the iPod, white fronts and chrome backs covered in glass. There is no need to make them see-thru anymore. Speed will be 1Ghz + processors. The low end will do what the high end did 6 months ago. I just hope they make the speakers over 50 watts and add a subwoofer. Wireless keyboards with trackpads on them and mice with a scroll wheel. Also, Apple will sell a wireless printer and a wireless camera/webcam. Apple will be the first computer maker to make an all wireless PC.

It is messed up that they might be running 10.1.2 because with new machines should come new OS's. I hope Apple surprises us on that front.

For those people talking about putting VPC on every mac, that means putting windows on every mac, i would not want to pay M$ $300 bucks for that crap. Besides, by the end of the year, VPC will run at the speed of an 900mhz PC on the high end machines. By 2003, you will be able to run anything on a virtual Win98 PC inside your mac. You can already run anything dos on the mac and most of win95 apps and games.

Steve Jobs will focus mostly on the speed of the Macs this year, he will make new cases, and keep them the same for a year and a half. But I will bet you that the speed increases we will get this year will be like nothing we have seen before. Forget about 50mhz speedbumps anymore, we're talking 200mhz and higher buses too. Start saving your money because even if you have a 2 year old machine that you are happy with, you'll still want a new machine.
 
PUFF PUFF

How do you think steve always comes out with such cool stuff, and always seams relaxed, i say suck back a J and lets watch the show. :)

BC is the PlAcE To Be...
 
Re: Why would someone bother?

Originally posted by dantec
installing OS X on an Wintel comp?

1. You would have to rebuy all your software...
2. Classic wouldn't work, or it would work but at the speed of a 2mhz PPC chip...
3. Couldn't use iMovie caus you don't have Firewire ports.
4. Still couldn't use an iPod... :(

And if apple was dumb enough to do this, it would canabalize their hardware sales and make them forced to support so many different configurations!
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What it would do is allow Apple to sell PCI add-in cards with Apple approved ports to all PC owners upgrading to a stable and useable OS.

It would increase the market for MacOS compiled apps, especially OSX apps.

It would increase Apple market share.

It would show people once and for all why they want a mac. Most PC owners upgrade every 3 years or less because their machines are so darn crippled. They might upgrade to a Mac for the first time simply because they are alreay familiar with the interface.

Consider it Mac Kindergarten.

Rocketman
 
Re: g5!!!

Originally posted by razoné
I'm still convinced that TEN means this....
g5 = current pipeline 7 stages to TEN stages....+2ghz

Computer & tv all in that flatscreen imac that would be an orgasm! + wireless keyboard & mouse....yammie!
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Yay! Let's increase the pipeline stages! Let's increase the pipeline stages!

*SMACK*

Shorter pipeline = lower branch penalty. Longer pipeline = longer branch penalty. Newer processor designs are using SHORTER pipelines. The G5 has a shorter pipeline than the G4. All of the new 64 bit processors have shorter pipelines than their predecessors.
 
OMG!

OMG!

An Apple-branded phaser!

iStun

Let's see...This setting won't kill a PC and this setting will...

Moby 1
 
Game Room??

A couple of days ago I paid a visit to Steve Wozniak's site, went to his personal webcam page http://wozcam.woz.org/ and I zoomed in on the desk. Surprise... I found what seemed to be a user manual with an Apple logo... it was a small white bookled, with a big title "GAME ROOM"... could that be the new digital lifestyle appliance??


 
Apple bought Palm? Merged with HP?

Long as they say it's astronomical...

Did Apple buy Palm, and the latest iteration of Palm OS is a mini-OS X?

Or, did they merge with HP/Compaq, which will now offer PCs with OS X installed?

Also, a friend just referred me to the following on apple's site:

http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/index2.html

Could Apple (& Motorola, or...) have figured out how to get good speed wireless communication for PDAs (the new iWalk)? Could that mean it will not only do Internet, but will serve as mobile phone, GPS, etc.?

Speculation...but they said it'd be 'big', and not obvious, like flat screen iMac, methinks....

DP
 
Game Room Pic

I just downloaded a pic of woz's desk and it has the game room book on it
IM me on AIM (screenname adidasx2004) and i can "direct-connect" it to you so someone that nos how have put it up on this board.
 
Star Trek references...

Some of you may be to young to remember, but Apple once attempted to port the Mac OS to the Intel platform. The code name for the project?

"Star Trek"

Hmm... the recent quote on Apple's site "To boldy go where no PC has gone before" takes on a whole new meaning now doesn't it?

See the book Apple Confidential by Owen Linzmayer on page 179 for details.
 
All the clues are there.

"This one is big. Even by our standards."
1) Apple's known for keeping its releases tight. But never this tight. It's not hardware. Virtually every hardware product release has leaked out in some form prior to the announcement because of the supply chain. It's not an acquisition. Too many people have to know, lawyers have to be involved. Double-sided PR would be going on right now. This can only be a software announcement with knowledge limited to a small team.

"Count the days. Count the minutes. Count on being blown away."
2) Never before has Apple made such bold claims about a product release. We're not expecting this kind of announcement. Being blown away means it's something never done before. It's not a PDA. Done. It's not dual processor. Done. > 1ghz, Moore's law puts us there anyway, so what's the big deal?. Installing OS X on an Intel box would blow us away.

"Beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond."
3) Can't find OS X on PC on the rumor sites prior to this date in any real substance. iWalk makes sense, but a Palm acquisition would be better. What's one more PDA? Of course I'll want one if this turns out to be the case, but OS X on PC would satisfy Apple's goal of reaching the other 95% of the market.

"It's like a backstage pass to the future."
4) Fluff. Duh! this is why we go to Macworld. No real indicators here.

"To boldly go where no PC has gone before"
5) No PC has run a Mac OS before. This is the first Star Trek reference. Those of you who have been paying attention for many years.... jiggle that grey matter around and think back to a long, long time ago (remember MacWeek?) Apple was working on a project similar to OS X... an x86 emulator. The project code name wasStart Trek, thus the Star Trek references.

"Full speed ahead: Lust Factor Ten"
6) Ten. X. Get it? You lust over that which you cannot have or desire to obtain. Offering Windows users an alternative operating system for their Intel platform makes this announcement a definite lust factor. Those of you who think that Apple dare not go here because it would canibalize hardware sales, think again. How many computers does Microsoft manufacture?

There are too many upsides for OS X on Intel. At $99 per OS X box, Apple would garnish a hefty profit, expand their marketshare, dent Microsoft's monopoly and invade Linux-space. OS X is a great environment for IT departments. The UNIX underpinnings have the stability and configurability that sys admins want. The true multi-user nature of offers a secure environment, and Aqua reduces the learning curve for the rest of the office. Apple hardware is too elegant to rack mount, but being able to install OS X server on Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM and other rack'em stack'em boxes give Apple instant segue into the data center.

But that's just if 10.1 ran on Intel.

Consider the additions to Jaguar required to make this a reality. Jaguar will contain an Intel version of the MacOS virtual machine layer (i.e. ROM maps) that will allow OS X to run on an Intel platform. Darwin is already native on Intel; getting Carbon and Cocoa there isn't that much more work. The Intel VM will allow PnP devices to integrate seamlessly into the OS. Remember, UNIX is highly abstracted already. The Mac OS doesn't access the hardware directly. Darwin does. Keep in mind that develop.apple.com has been scarce with information on writing drivers. IOKit has very little documentation right now. That's about to change to support the new PnP architecture for Intel. In addition to running on both Mac and Intel platforms, OS X will contain a Windows emulator that will allow Windows applications to run inside OS X much like OS 9 applications run in OS X and Mac applications to run without recompiling on Intel hardware.

So how's Stevie gonna do it? By starting a demo of 10.2 beta in the keynote. New hardware announcement-style, he will have a small table on stage with a veiled mini-tower. As the demo commences, the veil will come off the "new" hardware only to reveal a Dell desktop running the demo the whole time.

Yes, flat-panel iMacs will be there. Yes, color iBooks will be there. Yes, more dual processors will be there. But the breadcrumbs of hints from this week can only lead us to this conclusion.

Steve, if you're reading this and I'm right, pick up the note I'm leaving you at the Palo Alto Apple store on Monday.


[Edited by justin on 01-05-2002 at 05:01 PM]
 
Re: Game Room??

Originally posted by imct
A couple of days ago I paid a visit to Steve Wozniak's site, went to his personal webcam page http://wozcam.woz.org/ and I zoomed in on the desk. Surprise... I found what seemed to be a user manual with an Apple logo... it was a small white bookled, with a big title "GAME ROOM"... could that be the new digital lifestyle appliance??


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That looks like foamcore (used for poster backings) more than a booklet.

My guess is that it is a small sign.
 
Like I said before, OS X on PCs!!

For all you naysayers, how long have you been around?

No one knows for sure if they'll announce it, but it's certainly DOABLE.

Why???

Do ANY of you remember Rhapsody????? Well, Rhapsody DR2 ran on INTEL machines. Yes, INTEL machines. This was 4-5 years ago. I installed in personally on a P200MMX FLAWLESSLY-- even onto a Jaz cartridge. It booted up, looked just like a Mac (since it was now a Mac OS) and the video even felt faster than my 8500 at the time.

Apple could have EASILY been working on this the past 4 years or so- the same time they were working on OS X for Mac.

So stop whining bout driver this, driver that. They completed Rhapsody DR2 for Intel in very little time and got it working.
 
Maybe OS X on AMD/Intel boxes that are Apple Certified?

Maybe Apple can create this OS X for pcs that everyone is talking about, but it will work on only Apple Certified pc boxes so Apple can control the hardware/driver nightmare and can control the cut into it's own hardware sales?
 
Clues on Apple.com

I think the Star Trek idea is key. Full speed ahead meaning something will be fast, Lust Factor Ten meaning it will be running a PDA-version of OS X. . a PDA in all likelihood. You know Apple can't stay out of the PDA field... not with devices as miserably inept as Pilots and Visors.. The software on the PDAs with the exception of the Windows based PDAs which have stripped versions of MS Word etc is not mature in any sense, still very toy-like more than functional. Even the most basic element of a computer: input, is still rediculously slow. Look, I own a Palm IIIx and I find it completely uncompetetive in terms of usefullness to any laptop. For goodness sakes, the Palm OS software was JUST upgraded to allow taking free-hand graphics-tablet style notes and storing them graphically instead of doing the standard (slow) Graffiti. Find me one person who can do the Palm-style character input faster than they could write in cursive? Not one. Apple could easily build a PDA which had all the functionality of the more recent PDAs with built-in MP3 players but could include things like PDA versions of Apple Works, cursive-acceptable input methods, and it would have syncing software that actually works and fully integrates all fields with Mail.app or perhaps even MS-Entourage.. Combine the facts that Apple already made a PDA which accepted regular user cursive handwriting with the idea that Palm is being sued (by Xerox?) over patent infringement over their only input method on their PDAs (Graffitti).. sounds like a good time for Apple to jump into it. Oh ya, enabling the infrared ports on the Power Books just weeks ago under OS X to work with IR modems.. or PDAs.. how convenient!
 
wireless device

Okay, how about a iwalk that you can access your desktop computer anytime anywhere...and transfer those file on your iwalk..and connect to another computer on transfer the file to another computer...for example, while you are cruising on the freeway to work. Then you think Oh, ****! I forgot this document for a presentation. So you pull out your iwalk and connect to your computer at home. Access the desktop get the file and upload the file to your iwalk thru the net (wireless). Then when you get to work. Connect to your work computer, and upload it to your work computer..and print it out...there go your new technology...
 
No, It's Not OS/X on a PC....

Sorry, guys -- it's not goingto happen.

If Apple sold OS/X for all the dirt-cheap Intel boxes out there, they might as well drop ALL of their computer products the same day. End of story. And if you think they'll make it up on OS/X sales for PCs, don't bother.

The Windows enviromnent is HORRENDOUSLY complex and screwed up -- 'plug and play' for add on hardware is still a cruel joke -- and getting OS/X to run efficiently with all the tens of thousands of hardare and software bits out there would be essentially impossible for Apple (or anybody else except Microsoft who control the standards). OS/X on an Intel box as a cute, very limited demo would be doable -- OS/X as a real competitor to WinDoze on an Intel box would be essentially impossible.

And you know what? If Microsoft perceived OS/X as a threat to even **10%** of their market, they would KILL Office on Mac OS/X for Macs OR PCs, the DOJ be damned. End of Apple in 18 months. No, I don't think Apple is THAT stupid.

Much more likely - a hot WinDoze emulator coming standard with all new Macs.

To be realistic: Lightweight white flat-panel iMac with wireless keboard and Airport card, speed bumps on everything (up to 1.6 GHz) with the same prices, all new models (except the entry-level iMac) will go to G4, iPhoto, price drops on LCD screens and the AirPort base station, and JUST MAYBE the Sony-built Apple PDA (iPad), which looks much like the iPod and combines a Palm with a lower capacity iPod. Expensive, though -- $499... and watch for Star Trek: Enterprise cast members at the rollout, probably Scott Bakkula plus one or two others & a cool new iPod TV spot with Seal ...

We'll see Monday morning.
 
iServe

Here are my 2 cents on the topic of the mystery product by Apple. I think they might throw there hat into the consumer electronics' (CE) market in a really big way! Specifically, a minor partnership with a respectable receiver company (Denon, Yamaha, etc.). This company will provide standard receiver components (D.S.P., radio, Amp, etc.) and Apple will provide a combo Drive, a large HD, a cable TV decoder & MPEG encoder.

*Has anyone else noticed that the CE market significantly marks-up their gear compared to the computer equivalent? For example, CD recorders are grossly overpriced vs their computer rivals. The same goes for HD recorders for video.*

As a result. I think Apple can cut some of the cost by using there software decoding equivalents for this super-receiver.

This product will, effectively, yield a DVD player, CD player/ recorder, HD recorder (Tivo/Replay style without the tv guide features), a regular radio, 5.1 audio out, etc. all in one box!!

Naturally, this super receiver/ media player/ replacement for your VCR will have all of the traditional Apple stylings (hopefully a titanium like case).

In addition, the system will have regular video-out, ADC, VGA, and speaker ports. The front will have Firewire and USB ports. It will also be "Airport-ready" so that one can access all of the data (MP3's one has ripped, TV shows one has recorded, etc.) via their Mac to play with using iMovie and the like- reinforcing the usefulness of the Mac as an authorship tool. Though, the product will be useable by PC user’s too.

Take note, this piece of gear does not have internet accessibility!!

The reason is that Apple is evolving into a new company which sells "Authorship tools" (imac's, ibooks, power macs and powerbooks) and "Experience tools" (just iPod for now). This product would be there second “Experience tool” and would lay the foundation for more peripheral items in the future. Naturally, your iPod and future items will easily connect to this thing via the front panel ports.

I really hope that some of this made sense and thanks for reading!! : )
 
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