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I can have fait they will bring it back :p if enough people don't upgrade/buy or bail

Most people will, though. A majority of iPhone users either stick with the ones they get or just use the speakers. And if they put in an adapter? That'd be enough for most other people.
 
Sorry guys. I don't want to be the party pooper but it isn't recommended to use the iPhone/listen to music WHILE charging anyway! The only device that is really made for working on it while charging is the Mac. So get over your not charging while listening to music arguments.
The headphones will sound better, anti noise cancelling will be possible IN the phone etc. The only thing that bugs me is that the volume controls aren't under the right earphone anymore - IF these headphones are legit!

why is it not recommended to listen while charging - please dont say "its not safe" because that is utter tosh.
 
Sorry guys. I don't want to be the party pooper but it isn't recommended to use the iPhone/listen to music WHILE charging anyway! The only device that is really made for working on it while charging is the Mac. So get over your not charging while listening to music arguments.
The headphones will sound better, anti noise cancelling will be possible IN the phone etc. The only thing that bugs me is that the volume controls aren't under the right earphone anymore - IF these headphones are legit!


And I'm sure 99% of the people don't care if its recommended ... I charge and listen to with my headphones while I'm at work at my desk ..
 
Great, solving a problem most don't have at all. Especially as the VAST majority of people are listening to Mp3's and Mp4's or streaming
Especially when all wired headphones are capable of reproducing audio captured at 24Bit/192Khz. Since the iPhone already has an excellent DAC, it comes down to the amp and the drivers. That is it. The connector will do NOTHING to improve audio. But the lemmings will repeat it over and over believing it.
 
Do you really think that Bose will bend over to Apple's technology for such a common item in a way that an iOS update could render a normal BOSE item worthless? Won't happen.
Yes, currently there are several companies making headphones with lightening connectors and DAC's that are of higher quality than those built into the phone. Get with the times!
 
I get what you are saying, but still, I'm just not thrilled about it. For desktop/airport/coffee shop use like you suggest, I guess I would live. Even then, ok, you are syncing/charging the phone via lightning to your computer, great, so that port is taken up on the phone now. You can just listen through iTunes as you say from the computer, well, you're in a public place and need headphones, ok cool no problem I will plug them into my computer... oh wait... They're lightning! There is no lightning port on the computer. Do I need two pairs of headphones now? I actually enjoy wired headphones, maybe I am the minority here, I don't know. So that situation is a downgrade pretty clearly. Maybe you use Bluetooth, well, there you need a battery, the headphones are more expensive, and maybe you prefer non wireless. and have to deal with the inevitable toggling between devices that , let's be honest anyone who has been pairing to a speaker at a party, is a hassle and not something you want to do all day every day.

A huge, huge one for me is the car. I have an 08 Bmw that didn't have the iPod integration, so my only means is Aux+USB lightning to charge. That is a big one. Because in this case yes you do need extended periods of time where you are listening and charging.

I suppose they could create an adapter that goes lightning and headphone to lightning, that could solve the woes in that case, but the point I am making is it is a huge inconvenience in a lot of ways, I don't really see much benefit from it. It becomes more convoluted. Are they going to do away with the headphone jack on the computers too? The whole thing just seems like a mess to me, and it's already going on. The Macbook has only one port, USB C, and a headphone jack, no magsafe. You need an adapter to do literally anything. I just really can't sort out what they are thinking over there, and that has never been the case in the past. I am NOT averse to change, at all, in fact, I have been waiting for a new computer for.......... ever......... from them. But I just don't see any progress here. To put my money where my mouth is, I have zero desire to buy the phone pictured there and I have not missed a new model since the original.

There are enough older (I don't want to say old, 2008 isn't old) vehicles on the road in your scenario that I'm sure someone will quickly make an adapter that hooks to both your Aux cable and lightning cable, you'll just leave that in your car and now you only have one cable to connect to the phone rather than two. My vehicles have bluetooth but I also dock my phone sometimes if I used the phone GPS rather than the system built into the infotainment system so it charges while the GPS drains the battery.

Good point on headphones in the coffee shop. My mobile computing device these days is an iPad Pro 12.9 so I still have lightning (I've all but retired my rMBP). Lightning headphone to TRS device may not be the simple adapter that the reverse is. People in that situation may have to stick with TRS headphones and use an adapter to the phone.
 
REVOLUTIONARY! It's like the old headphones only with a more expensive connector.. that jets out further... and costs more... and will break easily... and only works with other Apple products (but not their laptops, Desktops or AppleTV)!

GAME CHANGED. For the worse.

1) well this particular "leak" does indeed look like the old ones with a more expensive connector, which increases the overall cost.
2) And this "leak" does 'jet' out further. But that's not necessarily an issue.
3) But you have no idea whether it will break more easily than an 3.5mm plug. I've had many 3.5mm jacks break over the years, and because they go deeper into the device, they often ruin the device instead of the connector. I'll wager that if you do actually apply enough pressure in a situation to break the Lightning plug, that it will leave the iPhone undamaged.
4) I would would also suggest Apple will add Lightning ports to all of their Macs too. The TV doesn't have a Lightning connector, nor does it need one. It's ridiculous to think of someone plugged into their TV. But the Remote does have a Lightning port, and there's the possibility that it might be used to plug in your headphones, which makes a whole lot more sense.

Looking at that picture, there's going to be alot of snapped off lightning connectors in the bottoms of iPhone 7's - it looks much weaker compared to an audio jack (bending them front to back) - especially if it has that "handle" on the audio connector sticking out like that.

Still planning on upgrading, but would rather they had kept the old jack in place - I haven't wanted "thinner" for several generations now, give me more capabilities instead (including an audio jack).

The Lightning connector is one of the most robust connectors I've ever used. In contrast, Ive had a lot of 3.5mm jacks and plugs fail over the years. I don't believe for a minute this is actually an Apple Lightning earbud, but for anyone who uses their headphones in this manner now, I'd suggest an L-shaped adapter to provide strain relief and create a lower and more comfortable profile for carrying a wired set of headphones plugged into an iPhone in one's pocket.

Do you honestly think that the entire industry will move to lightning before Apple says so?

When did I suggest that? There will be a transition period just as every new introduction with Apple. So it will take a year or so before you'll see cheap headphones at truck stops. But they will come as surely as the Lightning cable have. Fortunately for everyone, this will only apply to the the flagship iPhones, which will still be sold alongside several models that do have 3.5mm headphone jacks, not to mention all of customers existing iPhones won't suddenly go obsolete. So by the time a critical mass of people who need Lightning products arrive, the market will have stepped up to supply them.

This whole deal is such nonsense, I use my iPhone as my music supply in the car. It relies on the 3.5mm jack as its input. I also keep my phone on charge concurrently, which uses the Lightning port. So basically, I can now no longer do both at the same time. And I'll need an adapter to do at least one of those things non-concurrently.

Great work Apple ..

I do this as well. Last year I bought a new head unit with BT and USB, because I got so tired of plugging and unplugging two cables into my iPhone every time I got in and out of my car. It's so much easier with one cable, and when it's a quick trip, I don't have to plug in anything and BT connects automatically.

And before you raise the objection, it took many a few years before I made the leap to spend the $200 on a new head unit which I installed myself, because I didn't want to spend the money on my old car, so in the interim, I bought a $20 BT dongle that plugged into my 3.5mm jack, and powered by 12v. So I already had the benefits of of BT for only $20, and the convenience of only connecting the iPhone by ONE plug. Worth every penny. If Apple had removed the 3.5mm jack back then, I would have been in heaven in the car with it.

So do you know how people will charge their phones and play music at the same time?

Nobody does. But you seem to think Apple hasn't given it a single thought. Until they announce how they have chose to implement this ability, I've easily come up with a dozen on my own. The simplest of which is a simple Lightning passthrough on an L shaped connector ... just like a string of Christmas tree lights.
 
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Yes, currently there are several companies making headphones with lightening connectors and DAC's that are of higher quality than those built into the phone. Get with the times!
The difference in DACs will be so slight, you will have to tell yourself you hear a difference. Now if you put a high quality amp in the cans, you would hear that. But at that point you might as well get an external amp because of the weight and heat.
 
Continuing your guitar analogy, then you see that band in concert and they're all wearing Shure body packs.

I have both wired and wireless headphones. My Bluetooth headphones are both quality products but yes I occasionally experience a click or pop, that's very rare. I'll replace my wired headphones with lightning cable equipped units, I accept that technology advances and I move with it but if I weren't willing (or able) I'd be comfortable with the adapter it will likely ship with.

I can understand the possible inconvenience of wanting to charge while listening but do you really never take your headphones off? The iPhone 6s is rated for 50 to 80 hours of audio playback (depending on whether you have the plus or not). In that time are you never going to sleep or go to the bathroom or go to work or shower or anything else that would have you remove your headphones and put the phone on a charger? Maybe if you use headphones for 10+ hour long movie marathons but even then that has to be an extreme use case. Eventually you can put the device down long enough to recharge without using your headphones.

If you are busy synching to iTunes you can also just play your music back from iTunes while you synch (it can do both, I do so frequently).

It's clear a lot of people have concerns about this move but I think we'll find reality doesn't have any significant impact for 99.9% of users (and that's probably being generous).
As far as that occasional click or pop on Bluetooth, I've tested many pairs over years and experienced that regularly. Then I picked up the Jaybird X2s and... bliss. You seem like someone who appreciates innovation—can't recommend them enough.
 
Still can't believe that this might be happening, after reading that report about sales in India dropping. Feels like it might be the beginning of world wide drop in sales.

I've had an iPhone since the 3G, I've gone to other phones during that time. But always seem to head back to Apple after a few months. But with all these reports, it's really making me think if it's time to leave the good ship Apple.

I don't think many people are not going to be cool with the 3.5mm jack being removed. As many have stated it's widely used by everyone. Yes you can get a Bluetooth headphones (Which I do own, but had to get an expansive pair just to make sure that the sound is good), but then it's more things to charge.

At the end of the day no matter how you look at it, Apple are removing people's power of choice and forcing them change to something that can only on iOS devices.

There's change that can be good, but there's also change that can be bad.
 
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I agree with you on that but its one more inconvenience for me :(

Yeah, it is pretty bad for people with expensive headphones who hate adapters. But the writing is on the wall, I think. The 3.5mm jack isn't going to be around in five years on mobile devices. Intel is calling for it to go, Apple has a lot of influence because of their iOS base being spenders.
 
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did you say the same when apple dropped the cd-rom?

Not at all actually. First of all, I believe that it was around 2010, maybe 2011. At that time networking was already quite prevalent and you could still buy a Superdrive.
While it's true that they removed the superdrive, that was from desktop only. It took them another 4 years or five to remove the Optical drive to the portable devices. For the iMac, which stays in the same place for months or years, attaching an external drive is not a problem. If you do really need it, yeah get it external and keep it where you put it the first time. For Laptops? It was different as they needed portability and having more items to carry around would've defeated the purpose of a laptop. Of course in 2015 (I believe) they removed the optical drive from laptops including the MBP. Why? It's truly obsolete, with the Cloud, AirDrop and wifi techs everywhere not having it is truly painful. Yet, THEY waited until the problem solved itself. An iPhone is 100% portable, and needs to be flexible. Having an extra dongle is problematic. Forcing to use one type of earbuds which is not compatible with a standard, it's problematic. Forcing to use more expensive items, bluetooth, instead of giving the possibility to buy $1 earbuds from the local Chinese store, it's problematic. This without even mentioning that my Family's earbuds and all that we use for listening music that I got from and for all the devices you see in my signature will be rendered 100% useless. What they're doing now is the equivalent of removing the Optical Drive in 1995.
 
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As far as that occasional click or pop on Bluetooth, I've tested many pairs over years and experienced that regularly. Then I picked up the Jaybird X2s and... bliss. You seem like someone who appreciates innovation—can't recommend them enough.
Same experiences for me. After using Panasonic, Sony, and Motorola Bluetooth earbuds I tried the Freedoms in 2012, then the BlueBuds X in 2014. Waiting for the X3's to be released.
 
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exactly! WTF apple! why can't the phone just come with high quality BT headphones, stop removing options and calling it innovation.

I don't think Apple is going to call removing the port innovative. I think we use innovative more than they do to try to describe how they will describe their things.
 
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Yeah, it is pretty bad for people with expensive headphones who hate adapters. But the writing is on the wall, I think. The 3.5mm jack isn't going to be around in five years on mobile devices. Intel is calling for it to go, Apple has a lot of influence because of their iOS base being spenders.
Yep I saw the intel report. They are basically admitting that it is just a switch of connectors. Not so much with this apple rumor. Those of us who enjoy actual high quality audio may be forced into carrying a standalone audio device for our music rather than give apple our cash.
 
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Yep I saw the intel report. They are basically admitting that it is just a switch of connectors. Not so much with this apple rumor. Those of us who enjoy actual high quality audio may be forced into carrying a standalone audio device for our music rather than give apple our cash.

I'm guessing headphones will still be able to use the internal DAC. But these rumors are either going to be proven right or wrong within a month.
 
I'm guessing headphones will still be able to use the internal DAC. But these rumors are either going to be proven right or wrong within a month.
Personally I believe they are right.
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Same experiences for me. After using Panasonic, Sony, and Motorola Bluetooth earbuds I tried the Freedoms in 2012, then the BlueBuds X in 2014. Waiting for the X3's to be released.
At least you are trying out some different options... but it appears that you replace your headphones often? Why is that?
 
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