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Fully Functional iPhone 7 Lightning EarPods Shown Off in New Video
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You know, I never looked at it this way. You're totally right. Back in the day, different phones had different headphone jacks. It was HUGE when phones started adapting the standard, 3.5mm jack. Are we about to take a step backwards?
Thank you for confirming the obvious; you know nothing on the subject at all.
No, it was just a different story. They have nothing to do one with the other. You're talking of a functional hardware, needed for storage (quite an important thing) which is not proprietary to Apple and comparing it to an innocent piece of hw that is used by 99% of the world's population and is used for entertainment removed for a proprietary Apple port? Seriously?
This whole deal is such nonsense, I use my iPhone as my music supply in the car. It relies on the 3.5mm jack as its input. I also keep my phone on charge concurrently, which uses the Lightning port. So basically, I can now no longer do both at the same time. And I'll need an adapter to do at least one of those things non-concurrently.
Great work Apple ..
Great work Apple ..
So do you know how people will charge their phones and play music at the same time?
I noticed the same thing. And the lightning connector housing seems a little bulkier than on the typical lightning charger cable.
Sound like you have two cables coming out of the iPhone for listening in the car.
You could probable get away with one cable? I have denson cradle 7 or 8 years old 30 pin male. so I have a 30 pin female to 30 pin male and a 30 pin female to lightning adapter - iPhone 6 - BOSE - Nissan Murano Denson cradle
cheers
I already have their iPhone specific model of Quiet Comfort headphones. I have no idea what makes them iPhone specific but Bose evidently did think they should target Apple customers with a specific offering.
Did you seriously just ask the guy who wrote "good, wireless technology is the future" how people would charge their phones and play music at the same time?
Wireless headphones/speakers and/or wireless charging.
Really "how's different"? Memory storage NEEDED a change. It was NECESSARY. Windows 95 was 32 floppy disks. Office was about 20 if I remember correctly. And they DEGRADED fast, they were slow. Memory is an integral and functional part of computing and at the times computer had reached a serious bottleneck. Moving to CD/DVD/HD/SSD was and is just a natural evolution.
Lighting/Bluetooth? It's not a NEEDED change. It doesn't improve anything except the removal of a wire in case of BT devices. In the case of a Lighting? Not even that. It's not even needed for functionality as it doesn't really change anything except that you will have to abide to Apple's rules as the wire is proprietary. While BT certainly will evolve and will be better than now, there is no need to change a 3.5mm for BT. Where's the advantage? Then add another layer. IT's proprietary which means that if Apple wants all the lighting ports could be rendered useless in a whim of a single company's CEO. Do you really think that Bose, B&O, JVC etc will accept it?
Well we shall see. The backlash has already been huge here and everyday consumers/music lovers aren't even in the know yet.
That's exactly what it is. Adopt and adapt. All this arguing and bickering on Macrumors astonishes me about the 3.5 Jack. It's like other forum members are hoping for an Excutive at Apple to read these posts and change their mind about keeping the Jack, maybe for another year?
Now, I have always appreciated the 3.5 Jack, but this is clearly the path Apple has chosen. Accept it or don't support their product line. It's not that difficult. For some, it is because of the invested wired headphones and sound quality,
In which I understand. But the world will continue to turn on its axis.
6+, possibly. My 6 fits fine. No issues. I won't get a + because it would make sitting down with it weird. It's too big. But let's keep fragmenting the user base Apple.
Ok now this is more of a reasonable post. Those of us with LEGITIMATE use cases for the industry standard 3.5mm jack will be screwed when it comes to iPhones at the very least. Our choice would be using the flimsy proprietary lightning connector or going to another phone company, or just abandoning listening music with a smart phone.
Apple ... c'mon what off-brand drug are you smoking? Sacrificing battery life in the pursuit of a thinner phone, that everyone sticks in a big, bulky, ugly plastic case to protect. Now, you get rid of the 3.5 mm audio jack that is an industry standard for no apparent reason whatsoever. There are millions that have spent significant dollars on audiophile quality headsets that have now been made obsolete with a new phone - for no apparent reason at all.
So, you can announce you shaved a few millimeters off a phone that has YouTube video's posted all over creation about how easily the phone is destroyed by bending. Making it thinner will not make it more resistant to bending. Who are you consulting about what the public wants in a phone?
The improved camera? Genius - no one has said anything negative about the improved camera or flash. No one has said anything negative about the rumored improved earpiece in the cell phone. Good stuff. Improved Glass? Even better. Better display - great. Faster processor, better modem, faster LTE - good, good and great. Improved battery life, better Bluetooth - this is all good. But the biggest complaint is, and has been since the smartphone was first launched was, is and forever will be BATTERY LIFE.
For the love of God, add a few mm, and stack 2 batteries
But, you put a turd in the punch bowl with the removal of the 3.5mm port. This will not encourage a single sale; but will prohibit significant iPhone 7 sales.
So, you can announce you shaved a few millimeters off a phone that has YouTube video's posted all over creation about how easily the phone is destroyed by bending. Making it thinner will not make it more resistant to bending. Who are you consulting about what the public wants in a phone?
The improved camera? Genius - no one has said anything negative about the improved camera or flash. No one has said anything negative about the rumored improved earpiece in the cell phone. Good stuff. Improved Glass? Even better. Better display - great. Faster processor, better modem, faster LTE - good, good and great. Improved battery life, better Bluetooth - this is all good. But the biggest complaint is, and has been since the smartphone was first launched was, is and forever will be BATTERY LIFE.
For the love of God, add a few mm, and stack 2 batteries
But, you put a turd in the punch bowl with the removal of the 3.5mm port. This will not encourage a single sale; but will prohibit significant iPhone 7 sales.
Sorry if
1) I don't want another thing to charge
2) I don't want Buy a more expensive item (I agree that it will come down, but to a point. BT headphones will still need an antenna and batteries which won't go down in price that much and certainly not as much as earbuds as they are right now)
3) I don't want to need for an adaptor in case of lighting earbuds
4) I don't want to incur the risk that my headphones become obsolete because of an iOS update
This response isn't necessarily to you. People with older vehicles/electronics that only have TRS Aux inputs will have to use the adapter. Those of you thinking you can't connect lightning cables to otherwise powered devices (car stereo head unit, home receiver) and power at the same time I would expect that same lighting cable to provide charge while transporting audio. The component you have it plugged into (unlike headphones) can supply charge. Simultaneous charge and audio should be a non-issue in those cases.
I'm sorry, there really are no practical benefits to this. The negatives outweigh any by a ton.
- Unless you have the ears of a cat, no one is going to notice a difference in playback quality. Oh, and to get lossless, you'll have to be listening to a lossless file - not going to happen with Spotify or most music apps. Useless "benefit". And true audiophiles won't choose Apple's earbuds to listen to their music over other high end headphones.
- That white bulky lightning connection is unsightly and much more fragile.
So disappointed in this decision.
- Unless you have the ears of a cat, no one is going to notice a difference in playback quality. Oh, and to get lossless, you'll have to be listening to a lossless file - not going to happen with Spotify or most music apps. Useless "benefit". And true audiophiles won't choose Apple's earbuds to listen to their music over other high end headphones.
- That white bulky lightning connection is unsightly and much more fragile.
So disappointed in this decision.
Exactly. And obviously Apple knows this. If they indeed go with Lightning only, they obviously accounted for alienating some 3.5mm fans.
You can have lightning (or usb) DACs without removing stock DAC and 3.5mm headphone port. A lot of companies make DACs that can hook up to mobile devices.
There is no such thing as a digital headphone... eventually the DAC converts it before it can be played by the speaker itself. All Apple is doing is moving that DAC from the phone to somewhere else in the headphone (in the picture it's why the lightning connector is so bulky, because it's housing the DAC).
There are more drawbacks than benefits. Means if you don't carry a dongle with you everywhere you might get screwed the one time you wanna hook your phone up to something just to get audio. Current iPhones will be compatible with lightning headphones and 3.5mm the 7 will only use lightning.
Apple is just making a money grab, they know they can convince people that everyone needs new beats with a lightning connector and your 3.5mm headphones are for poor people. I'm really disappointed...
Which is not really smart giving where iPhone sales are going (kept outside of the emergency level by the iPhone SE).
I get what you are saying, but still, I'm just not thrilled about it. For desktop/airport/coffee shop use like you suggest, I guess I would live. Even then, ok, you are syncing/charging the phone via lightning to your computer, great, so that port is taken up on the phone now. You can just listen through iTunes as you say from the computer, well, you're in a public place and need headphones, ok cool no problem I will plug them into my computer... oh wait... They're lightning! There is no lightning port on the computer. Do I need two pairs of headphones now? I actually enjoy wired headphones, maybe I am the minority here, I don't know. So that situation is a downgrade pretty clearly. Maybe you use Bluetooth, well, there you need a battery, the headphones are more expensive, and maybe you prefer non wireless. and have to deal with the inevitable toggling between devices that , let's be honest anyone who has been pairing to a speaker at a party, is a hassle and not something you want to do all day every day.
A huge, huge one for me is the car. I have an 08 Bmw that didn't have the iPod integration, so my only means is Aux+USB lightning to charge. That is a big one. Because in this case yes you do need extended periods of time where you are listening and charging.
The point I am making is it is a huge inconvenience in a lot of ways, I don't really see much benefit from it. It becomes more convoluted. Are they going to do away with the headphone jack on the computers too? The whole thing just seems like a mess to me, and it's already going on. The Macbook has only one port, USB C, and a headphone jack, no magsafe. You need an adapter to do literally anything. I just really can't sort out what they are thinking over there, and that has never been the case in the past. I am NOT averse to change, at all, in fact, I have been waiting for a new computer for.......... ever......... from them. But I just don't see any progress here. To put my money where my mouth is, I have zero desire to buy the phone pictured there and I have not missed a new model since the original.
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Tim will 'alienate' ZERO iPhone owners and ZERO potential android migrators as there will be a FREE lightning to 3.5mm adapter in the '7's box.