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One serious question to all the experts.
Headphones are removed and plugged in consistently. How resistant is the Lightning Jack on the phone? It will be used both for recharging and headphones, which means that the #s of time that it is used will potentially increase by a lot.

This is something that I've been wondering about as well. If I have to plug my headphones into the lighting port, that's actually going to increase the wear and tear on the port several fold for me.

I know, the response I'm going to get is, "well just use wireless earbuds". I'm not crazy about having to charge my headphones either.
 
Apple tends to bring changes in stages, without us even being aware, so I think this could all be groundwork for more dramatic form factor changes to come, which is kind of exciting.

It's kind of exhausting. There's only so much you can make your customers can wait up.
 
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This is something that I've been wondering about as well. If I have to plug my headphones into the lighting port, that's actually going to increase the wear and tear on the port several fold for me.

I know, the response I'm going to get is, "well just use wireless earbuds". I'm not crazy about having to charge my headphones either.
Absolutely if you listen to headphones all the time.
 
But mark my words, BT is going to get stage time when they remove the jack.
Sure and people are going to wonder if BT is so frickin' great why didn't Apple include BT earbuds in the box? Sorry but there's no way Phil Schiller will be able to positively spin this. Hence why I think they're doing it with this years phone. They already know the phone will be a meh upgrade so get all the complaining out of the way before the all new design comes next year.
 
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I hadn't used my 3.5 mm plug for six months now (since getting Bluetooth earphones). Now, we are still some time away from when 90+% of all users use Bluetooth headphones. But we might already have 90+% of people using either the bundled earphones or Bluetooth headphones. And thus possibly 90% of users won't be inconvenienced multiple times a day but only when they want to charge their phone while listening with headphones or when they want to plug in their Lightning headphones into their computer. But again, the majority of users won't do this daily. Myself, I'd probably plug my headphones into my computer only about twice per months. And charging while using the headphones equally rarely.
Don't get me wrong, I've tried bluetooth headphones, but I found daily charging of yet another device, to be a pain. being out and about, and running out of juice on the bluetooth headphones is a pain. Navigating so many bluetooth readers, is a pain. Having one car steal the Bluetooth signal on statup, is a pain. All of these inconveniences disappear with the ultimate convenience of a 3.5mm earphone.

Until they may bluetooth headphones MUCH better, this is a no-op for me.

It's honestly not comparable, how more convenient the 3.5mm option is - TO ME. Your usage is obviously different. This is an amazing step back. And I'll vote with my wallet.
 
This is something that I've been wondering about as well. If I have to plug my headphones into the lighting port, that's actually going to increase the wear and tear on the port several fold for me.

Yeah. Right now I use it roughly twice in 24hrs (plug in at night, plug out in the AM); of course with all the due exceptions.
If I had to use headphones that would mean:
- Plug in charger at night
- Remove charger in the AM
- Plug in headphones in the AM
- Remove headphones at lunch or if needed
- Plug in headphones in the PM if needed
- Remove headphones in the car etc.

In my average day I would remove the headphones seven or eight times. Would that be a problem?
 
MR: "The most notable part is, of course, the long-rumored addition of the Lightning plug onto the EarPods, adapted to take advantage of the removal of the 3.5 mm headphone jack from the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus."

Really, MR? That's quite a spin and not a good one. It's not "taking advantage", it's more like "making the best" out of the bad situation. Apple could have taken advantage of the supposed superiority of the audio quality afforded by lightning connector yeas ago (presence of 3.5mm jack did not prevent them from doing so) but they did not. I wonder, why?

Also, I wonder how the DAC in these Earpods will compare to the DAC in the phone itself. Earpods being a cheap accessory, I suspect the internal DAC (and hence a sound in wired earpods) might be better.
 
For me, it's more disappointment.

I've been a life long Apple user. Since Apple went to all glued in products, I've not purchased a single Mac. I've advised my family members, who I switched over to Macs, to do the same - make your current Mac last as long as possible, then get out of the business.

The same exists with this idiotic move. I use headphoens/headset and freely interchange them from the iPhone, to the iMac, to the MBP, as well as take the phone and plug the 3.5mm cable to multiple cars. It's a system that works quite wonderfully for me. But now Apple wants to make the iPhone NOT play in my setup. Apple wants me to use multiple sets of headphones, to do the job of one set of headphones. Apple wants to me carry around an adapter and/or recharge YET ANOTHER PIECE OF ELECTRONICS on a daily basis.

This is not moving forward, this is not innovation, this is to simply sell more proprietary apple products, at the expense of user experience.

Meh, not having it. An iPhone 6s looks to be the last iPhone I ever have. And like with the Macs, I'll be advising the rest of the family to skip as well.

And when it is removed from Android phones as well. What will you recommend?

It is well over 10ms for most of the BT devices I have had which makes it a disaster for recording or doing anything interactively time sensitive.

Ah, okay. I'm guessing for those instances, you'll either have to use an adapter or lightning devices.

Slightly off topic: have they fixed the audio latency issue in Android?
 
Ah, okay. I'm guessing for those instances, you'll either have to use an adapter or lightning devices.

Slightly off topic: have they fixed the audio latency issue in Android?

Thank you for acknowledging my issue. Really it is much appreciated. The latency issue is inherent to BT. Hopefully they will decrease it with the next version.
 
You won't until the phone is charged. I'm not endorsing this I'm just saying what I expect to happen.

A lot of folks listen to music while charging iPhone - only 2 ways round this "dilemma"-

• fast charge earbuds (like apple pencil)
• pod for wireless charging included FREE in the "7" box

my vote is fast charge earbuds Sept 2016
pod for wireless charging June 2017
Both FREE in box.
 
Why on earth would you be recording multi track audio via BT? More importantly what has that got to do with listening to music from a phone via BT?
I wouldn't... it doesn't work and BT is horrible for critical listening situations. But you have all of these people telling me I have to get rid of my "old fashioned" and "legacy" 3.5mm headphones and to go wireless and I am coming back with my use case. It is retarded that so many people think wires are outdated.
 
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Do you realize that Samsung has the lead in marketshare and if they decide to go USB-C audio (or some other sort of standard) the industry will move in that direction because of the #s involved?
Apple doesn't give a f$ck about pure market share, they care about selling to influencers and profit. They dominate Samsung in both areas.

"The industry" has followed Apple multiple times before, and it will here as well. Apple users are the most coveted demographic in tech, and "the industry" will fall all over themselves to accommodate Apple users who want to spend money on their new headphones.

Samsung's business model is dependent on copying the innovation of others and replicating it more cheaply afterward, with high volume and low margins. It's how they are built. Consult your local business school for more information.
 
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Thank you for acknowledging my issue. Really it is much appreciated. The latency issue is inherent to BT. Hopefully they will decrease it with the next version.

Sorry I was a bit of a jerk. I just got too caught up thinking about how I use headphones. Kind of forgot this stuff has to be made somehow. Also, the latency issue I mentioned when it comes to Android isn't a BT one.
 
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A lot of folks listen to music while charging iPhone - only 2 ways round this "dilemma"-

• fast charge earbuds (like apple pencil)
• pod for wireless charging included FREE in the "7" box

my vote is fast charge earbuds Sept 2016
pod for wireless charging June 2017
Both FREE in box.
So now you also should carry around a charger for your wireless headphones? This is sounding a lot less convenient than having wires.
 
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And adds an adapter to replace what was there before? Is that good design?

You're the one adding the adapter.

The design will use BT or dedicated wired headphones. Good design.

The adapter is part of your choice to stick with old headphones. You can't blame your choices on the designer.
 
Sorry I was a bit of a jerk. I just got too caught up thinking about how I use headphones. Kind of forgot this stuff has to be made somehow. Also, the latency issue I mentioned when it comes to Android isn't a BT one.
Don't worry about it. I am doing my darndest to explain why this isn't going to work for everyone... at least you are making the effort to understand. Thumbs up to you.
 
A different Android manufacturer. I've heard there is more than 1 of these. And they actually produce more than 2 models at a time.

;)

Cute. But I doubt just one manufacturer is going to remove it. Flagships are pretty much the same these days in terms of internals and I/O.
 
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