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And you're assuming the earpods with lightning aren't just the fallback measure. Apple pushes wireless at all times whenever possible. I also don't know what you're talking about when it comes to 'tons of latency'. Also, most music is lossy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(engineering)

->Recorded<- music is lossy.. but I vote with my wallet on the least lossy material I can obtain.
 
I'm had two APPLE lightening cables fail, after babying them.

One serious question to all the experts.
Headphones are removed and plugged in consistently. How resistant is the Lightning Jack on the phone? It will be used both for recharging and headphones, which means that the #s of time that it is used will potentially increase by a lot.
 
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But mark my words, BT is going to get stage time when they remove the jack.
No doubt there. Look there is not a question about the convenience of wireless audio. I use it all the time for NON-critical applications. The problem here is they are removing the ability for many audio use cases that primarily affects true audio enthusiasts and (semi)-professional musicians.
 
man, the frothy, foamy, white-spittled ragers on MR are getting quite ridiculous these days. so much faux anger.
 
I think the infuriating thing isn't that Apple is eliminating the headphone jack in itself, it's that the alternative is in no way an advancement on the current standard technology. While it would be total B.S. to say that the introduction of USB C is illegitimate since everyone uses USB 2.0, for example, I have yet to see ANY advantage to eliminating the phone's headphone jack. That's why it's so maddening.
Supposedly audio quality will be a lot better. Probably not a huge deal for the masses but......

"..turned up in our office.." ?

OK, I'm calling fake. As in, not an Apple product, but a 3rd party manufacturer has created these.

I'm keeping my money on wireless EarPods being in the box with the next iPhone.
I think wireless too. And for the Audiophiles, a lightning adapter available for use with other headphones. That would make total since.
 
Then go to Android. If removing the port is that important to you, go buy a phone that has it. And then when Android phones start to remove it you can move to Ubuntu Touch or Windows Mobile. Then if they remove it, you can buy an older phone and hope it works well.

I've decided to just build my own...

It has a 3.5 jack.png
 
Most never used the the floppy drive for months/years before the removal
Most accessed the CD/DVD drive once every 6 months

I, and many others, use the 3.5mm plug multiple times a day.

This is not equivalent at all, no matter how many times you attempt to link them.

This is not a dead format/function, this is highly used, by millions.
I hadn't used my 3.5 mm plug for six months now (since getting Bluetooth earphones). Now, we are still some time away from when 90+% of all users use Bluetooth headphones. But we might already have 90+% of people using either the bundled earphones or Bluetooth headphones. And thus possibly 90% of users won't be inconvenienced multiple times a day but only when they want to charge their phone while listening with headphones or when they want to plug in their Lightning headphones into their computer. But again, the majority of users won't do this daily. Myself, I'd probably plug my headphones into my computer only about twice per months. And charging while using the headphones equally rarely.

Just because most people use the 3.5 mm plug multiple times a day, doesn't mean that removing it is stranding this majority without any solution (or only a costly one of buying new high-end Lightning headphones). If you replace it with bundled Lightning headphones, you provide an alternative for maybe 80% of 3.5 mm plug use. If add an adaptor, you provide an alternative for another 10% of 3.5 mm plug use. If you provide a charging adaptor, you possibly provide an alternative for another 5% of 3.5 mm plug use. A reverse 3.5 mm to Lightning adaptor then might provide an alternative for the remaining 5%, for when people want to us the bundled earphones with other 3.5 mm audio output devices (incl. computers). And an adaptor is not to dissimilar to an external floppy or CD/DVD drive: Ie, something extra to buy and potentially carry around (and I'd say, quite a large number of people did buy external CD/DVD drives).

The point is that a large majority of 3.5 mm plug use on iPhones is with the bundled earphones. Which can be directly replaced with bundled Lightning earphones. It's bit like morning the loss of the serial port when USB can fully replace it. What is relevant is not the current use of the 3.5 mm plug but the part which cannot be replaced directly by bundled Lighting earphones. And to a lesser degree the part that requires (non-bundled) adaptors.

Anybody needing to buy (and carry) additional adaptors will be negatively affected. And I would agree that this portion is probably larger than those who were buying external floppy and CD/DVD drives. And that the portion needing to also carry the adaptor is larger than those who needed carrying a floppy and CD/DVD drive. The adaptor will be smaller than floppy or CD/DVD drives in absolute terms, though relative to the device it is being used with (iPhones) things might be similar. Additionally, while moving from serial to USB was moving from a standardised port to another widely used port, whereas moving from 3.5 mm to Lightning means moving to a still wildly used port but not an open standard-based port nor one being the majority port.
 
The iPhone needs to be shorter not thinner.
Apple tends to bring changes in stages, without us even being aware, so I think this could all be groundwork for more dramatic form factor changes to come, which is kind of exciting. My hunch is that they are removing the headphone jack and possibly changing the home button from a physical button to a smooth "no-ring" button and adding wireless charging in the upcoming iPhone 6x or 7, and then all but eliminating the phone's "forehead" and "chin" in their 2017 model, making the phone shorter and making it feel as though the entire front of the phone is all screen. This design will leapfrog Samsung's style over substance Galaxy Edge thing, and Apple's classic form-follows-function design aesthetic.

So I think shorter & thinner will both have their day, soon.
 
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My guess is there will be wireless charging, with the facility to still charge through the lightning port which is now also an audio input... if you can't charge and listen that really is terrible.
 
I want the new standard to evolve naturally when it's the right time.
Does apple want to push a standard in headphones? They own Beats. Show some balls and stop all the 3.5mm production and push lighting only headphones. Come on.
All that I can do without the 3.5" I can do it already with my 3.5" jack hole. It doesn't add anything.
Good design subtracts what is not essential.
 
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Supposedly audio quality will be a lot better. Probably not a huge deal for the masses but......


I think wireless too. And for the Audiophiles, a lightning adapter available for use with other headphones. That would make total since.
If I am forced to use an adapter, I would rather go with a standard connector and a pocket sized external amp.
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Good design subtracts what is not essential.
Funny you should say that: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name
 
Apple TRULY is out of touch with reality...
Sir Jony Ive: "Let's remove the headphone jack, not provide an adapter and pass off as a feature! Now excuse me while I get into my Bentley and ride off to my mansion."
Cook: "Can't innovate my ass!"
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man, the frothy, foamy, white-spittled ragers on MR are getting quite ridiculous these days. so much faux anger.
For me, it's more disappointment.

I've been a life long Apple user. Since Apple went to all glued in products, I've not purchased a single Mac. I've advised my family members, who I switched over to Macs, to do the same - make your current Mac last as long as possible, then get out of the business.

The same exists with this idiotic move. I use headphoens/headset and freely interchange them from the iPhone, to the iMac, to the MBP, as well as take the phone and plug the 3.5mm cable to multiple cars. It's a system that works quite wonderfully for me. But now Apple wants to make the iPhone NOT play in my setup. Apple wants me to use multiple sets of headphones, to do the job of one set of headphones. Apple wants to me carry around an adapter and/or recharge YET ANOTHER PIECE OF ELECTRONICS on a daily basis.

This is not moving forward, this is not innovation, this is to simply sell more proprietary apple products, at the expense of user experience.

Meh, not having it. An iPhone 6s looks to be the last iPhone I ever have. And like with the Macs, I'll be advising the rest of the family to skip as well.
 
Apple being incredibly reserved and lazy again. They need to be making small, wireless earbuds instead of using a Lightning connector.
 
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