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people are probably right defending Apple that it's a step forward to abandon an old technology for something new (like removing the Superdrive) .

It's not the same (see a few of the above posts).
The functionalities of a Lighting only phone are already there. Removing that hole is not adding any functionality. You can already use a Lighting earbud, you can already use BT headphones. There is zero new functionality. ZERO, nada.
 
Since my first iPod in 2003, I have frayed exactly one 30-pin/Lightning cable (and even that only visibly, it still works fine). During that time, I have probably frayed about a dozen headphone cables, including third-party ones.
And what of lightening connectors?
 
It depends. If they own a laptop, or some other device without a Lighting they're going to be very unhappy.
Very unhappy at the thought of having to pay $20 for an adaptor (on top of the $2000+ spend on iPhone and computer) and having to carry it around? Unhappy? Yes. Very unhappy? I say no.
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And what of lightening connectors?
I have not seen any damage on any of my Lightning connectors so far.
 
Very unhappy at the thought of having to pay $20 for an adaptor (on top of the $2000+ spend on iPhone and computer) and having to carry it around? Unhappy? Yes. Very unhappy? I say no.

Considering that Apple's reputation is almost entirely based on the concept that you buy the device for a price bump and then you think of nothing else because they are so simple, yes. They will be very unhappy.
 
Since my first iPod in 2003, I have frayed exactly one 30-pin/Lightning cable (and even that only visibly, it still works fine). During that time, I have probably frayed about a dozen headphone cables, including third-party ones.
I have not EVER trashed the connector/cable on headphones that I have purchased, but then again I don't buy cheap ( aftermarket) headphones either. I don't use vendor included headphones because they are crap.
 
I'm unsure there's really any way to say what percentage of users stick with what came packaged with the phone, regardless of who's narrative it better supports.
(a) You can go by what you people you know use and (b) what you see in public. And in both regards, I see white earbuds much more than other kind of headphones (once I factor out Android devices).
 
(a) You can go by what you people you know use and (b) what you see in public. And in both regards, I see white earbuds much more than other kind of headphones (once I factor out Android devices).
That isn't exactly scientific as you are making the assumption that everyone listens to music on the go.
 
I have not EVER trashed the connector/cable on headphones that I have purchased, but then again I don't buy cheap ( aftermarket) headphones either. I don't use vendor included headphones because they are crap.
I even had one headphone plug break off while it was inside my phone (tricky to get that out again). That was on an Etymotic headphone set.
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That isn't exactly scientific as you are making the assumption that everyone listens to music on the go.
No, but without any other data that is the only indication I have. And if I had to wager a bet, I'd go with the information I have and merely flip a coin.
 
I garner you only listen from your iDevices.
You mean considering only iDevices have Lightning? Nothing get's by you does it...

What else matters? A Mac? I use a 27" iMac, so I'm not going to be using earbuds with a 1 foot cord on them. Not without an extension cord (aka, and adapter).

What other device, in this day and age, and am I going to have time to listen to music with headphones? Not my home/house audio system...speakers for that.

Really, the argument just doesn't add up.
 
I even had one headphone plug break off while it was inside my phone (tricky to get that out again). That was on an Etymotic headphone set.
That would require a significant amount of force to do unless they Etymotic set is not built that well.
 
If Apple really does ditch the standard audio jack its going to go down as the biggest mistake the company made since the round puck mouse. There is literally no upside to this. I don't need my phone to be one more mm thinner. I need it to have a better battery. Its small enough as is (actually the screens are too big, 4.5" would have been better than 4.7"). *sigh*
It'll come back if it goes. It's the biggest error apple has ever made thats for sure. These headphones look super fake though and the youtube video is about the most ill informed trash i've ever seen. Not even a vague understanding of reality. Lets all hope apple is trying to get others to drop the jack as a trick. I hope so.
 
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Since my first iPod in 2003, I have frayed exactly one 30-pin/Lightning cable (and even that only visibly, it still works fine). During that time, I have probably frayed about a dozen headphone cables, including third-party ones.
Really? Wow. That's the opposite of my experience. I have s terrible time with these things fraying, but it seems to be in the car. One I sucked up with the vacuum but I don't count that. We had a Garmin mounted in my Tacoma that used mini USB. Granted it didn't get plugged in as often, but the cable stayed in the car so it was under much of the same stress.

Conversely I had the same set of buds for four years and ran them through the wash four times and dryer twice. The second dryer run is what ended their life.

My 2011 MBP MagSafe also frayed. The incredible thing about that is that we don't really take it anywhere. The cable stays at the desk and it got unplugged a few times a week. Apple replaced it free of charge about a year and a half ago. Haven't had issues with the new one.

Don't know what to say. I recognize not everyone has the same experience as I do but I've had enough trouble with Apple cables that I can say, for me, they're simply not built well.
 
You mean considering only iDevices have Lightning? Nothing get's by you does it...

What else matters? A Mac? I use a 27" iMac, so I'm not going to be using earbuds with a 1 foot cord on them. Not without an extension cord (aka, and adapter).

What other device, in this day and age, and am I going to have time to listen to music with headphones? Not my home/house audio system...speakers for that.

Really, the argument just doesn't add up.
Some of us have headphones with longer cables than 1 ft. lmao.
 
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Well, that's a poor example. You do realize that vinyl is making a comeback and it's revival has been covered extensively over the past couple of years?

You should also brush up on your Apple history too. They have made plenty of choices in the Jobs' era alone that they have rolled back, despite their "research" to the contrary. According to Apple, their users never wanted multi-button mice or larger phones, everyone would use FireWire, DisplayPort was more important than HDMI, everybody would use Ping over Facebook ...


I am fully aware of the Vinyl resurgence. Maybe in 20 years time, you can bring out your box of headphone jacks and enjoy plugging them into old devices in slow motion...
 
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It's not the same (see a few of the above posts).
The functionalities of a Lighting only phone are already there. Removing that hole is not adding any functionality. You can already use a Lighting earbud, you can already use BT headphones. There is zero new functionality. ZERO, nada.
That's a baseless assertion, given that this is just a rumour and we don't know what Apple is doing/taking away/adding. The tech provided might well increase functionality.
 
Some of us have headphones with longer cables than 1 ft. lmao.

That's not the context of the discussion.

But really, people with overpriced wired analog headphones are really the bottom of the consideration barrel.

According to the market, no one is buying them anymore. Not in significant numbers.

99% of people are using whatever comes with their media player, or purchasing Wireless headphones. Its not hard to see why your use case is not a priority for development of a new product.
 
I can't wait to upgrade to a 6S. Because that's exactly what I'll do. I spent too much on high quality headphones for them to just take that away from me to make an already too thin phone even thinner. Stupid stupid stupid.

I still don't get the "thinner" aspect. All I have to do is look at my iPod Touch. The jack isn't the limiter.
 
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(a) You can go by what you people you know use and (b) what you see in public. And in both regards, I see white earbuds much more than other kind of headphones (once I factor out Android devices).
I wasn't going to use my own anecdotal experiences. But since We are doing that, I see more beats (in the form of a recognizable product) than anything else on the market. I commute to work in Boston via the T, if that make a difference. I also see a lot of Samsung buds. Hardly any Apple buds, to be frank. Same is true about the gym in my apartment complex. I just assumed people were finally realizing that the free buds they get can be surpassed in sound quality by something as inexpensive as $20-30.
 
Do the arguments against a micro-SD card slot stand any water with you? It's something most (I think) phones have but that Apple had omitted since the first iPhone.

I think the "7" will have a 256GB option so storage wont be a problem.
For folks who want a fantastic budget smartphone Moto E with 128GB for approx £80.00 is a great iPod especially if you are with GPM.
 
Means if you don't carry a dongle with you everywhere you might get screwed the one time you wanna hook your phone up to something just to get audio.

You really just reiterated the entire 'end of the optical drive' argument. In classic form.

Yes, yes, I'm sure THIS time its different. Just like last time. :rolleyes:
 
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