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My conclusion, collecting mine and other's anecdotal experiences is that apples cables, namely their outer coating, just doesn't stand up to the stresses that those of other manufacturers do.
That I can agree with. I'd happily pay 3x the price just to get a headphone plug that doesn't fray nearly as well. In the end I was down to two to three months life for my headphones. This was the main reason that went with Bluetooth (but even that I destroyed now after six months, my Bluetooth earphones had a small box with the radio, battery, controls and microphone that one clips to ones lapel or similar, that I destroyed when taking off a heavy backpack which caught the box and yanked too heavily on it).

Though our different experience is likely due to how differently we use the respective cables (charging vs headphone cable) and thus probably not due to differences in plug design (at least we can't use our experience to draw any clear conclusions on this).
 
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Yeah.. People are going to love having that monstrosity attached to their iPhone every time they go out.
 
Well right now, my problem is that you want me to repeat myself after I have done so many many times. Circular arguments are not my thing. Go back and read the thread.

Okay so obviously your arguement is weak you cant be bothered to write four lines of text ( which you have already said in the previous text to me).
Please provide link if its not to much effort.
 
That says more about the manufacturer quality than inconvenience. Because if one port stops functioning I would be equally pissed. Regardless of it's function.

I don't think the lightning jack can deal with as much stress as the 3.5. I can't wait to see people with broken jacks. The lightning connector is thin and would probably break off easily inside the port, rendering a paperweight unless you can the obstruction. (yeah, right)
 
People should boo something as stupid as this. It should be like when Steve Jobs announced Internet Explorer as the default browser on the Mac. Instead there'll be a quiet round of applause or just complete silence.
 
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Their obsession with thinness may be the downfall of Apple.
Yeah right, another ridiculous downfall post. Selling 50, 60, 70 , 80 million of a product is by no means a downfall. Can't wait to see Samsung copy the Lightning connector for the earphones. This same nonsense happened when Apple went from 30 pin to lightning. Doom and gloom, end of Apple. There will be an adapter for all the legacy headphones. And a couple phones down the line this will be a dead topic just like the 30 pin connector is a dead topic. At some point the cable connections will be a thing of the past. If it's such a burden for you just don't buy the iPhone. Plenty of other choices out there.
 
Okay so obviously your arguement is weak you cant be bothers to write four lines of text ( which you have already say read the previous text).
Pleas provide link if its not roo much effort.

There are twentytwo pages before this. @gregoryalee is one of the more vocal about this issue and wrote way more than four lines.
It is very rude of you calling someone's argument weak before you can't be bothered to read what was written in the previous pages and want us to write down an executive summary for you.
Go read.
 
Okay so obviously your arguement is weak you cant be bothered to write four lines of text ( which you have already said in the previous text to me).
Please provide link if its not roo much effort.
Actually it is many many lines of text. Think of a large news article of information. I am starting to think that what I wrote would be lost on you anyway. This is the last time I will respond to you. Have a good one.
 
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look there WONT BE ANY $20 adapter it will be FREE - ARE YOU HAPPY NOW??!!
My point was that $20 is hardly the end of the world given the price of an iPhone. I wasn't complaining about this potential price but rather saying that it doesn't matter all that much. If it comes for free, only the better.
 
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This is funny but there is some truth to it. Have you seen the adapter fest that power users have with their macbooks?

I think at one point in the past that was me. I like to (for fun)/have to (for my business) travel a lot though so I've been going quite zen and reducing my kit to the absolute minimum. I'm not even bringing a laptop with me anymore, just my 12.9" iPad with smart keyboard. I use one multi port USB charger to feed the iPad, my phone, watch, and recharge my in ear Bose Quiet Comfort headphones. One fairly empty Grid-it with the charger, three cables, and my apple pencil and I'm set for adventure. I can put it all in my carry on and skip a laptop case or large bag.
 
I'm going to enjoy my iPhone 6 until it breaks.
And the moment when that happens I hope Apple came to it senses with the iPhone8. If not I'm of to android.
I hear this a lot but a lot are waiting on the 2017 iPhone which will still have no headphone jack so now what?
 
FYI regarding musician wireless packs, they do use radio frequencies but not Bluetooth. Shure just came out with their PGX-D digital wireless systems in the last few years. Basically it allows the system to disregard any analog signal which allows them to get a cleaner transmission. It also operates in the 900mhz range whereas Bluetooth operates in the crowded 2.4Ghz range.
Also, I think you underestimate the distaste some of us have for having another thing to charge. I would love it if I never had to charge my phone, and now I'm supposed to charge my headphones everyday too? Hairy no.

I eagerly anticipate the day we get wireless power over large distances. No more outlets and power cables anywhere and hopefully without fields so strong we all develop tumors :)
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so how pray tell will one listen to music on a iPhone with zero battery power?
I'm all ears!

No pun intended? ;-)
 
I think at one point in the past that was me. I like to (for fun)/have to (for my business) travel a lot though so I've been going quite zen and reducing my kit to the absolute minimum. I'm not even bringing a laptop with me anymore, just my 12.9" iPad with smart keyboard.

Same here. Now I just use my iPP 12.9"+keyb+pencil and that's it. No bags, no paper, nothing. I read online papers, I use the iPP for everything.
The other device I have is my iPhone of course, and since I have the Speck cover I don't even need a wallet anymore.
 
Calm down folks, apple will introduce induction charging like the apple watch. Of course you'll have to update to a 2016 Mac running MacOS and iOS 10 in order for your iPhone 7 to charge. All other hardware and OS X versions are excluded unless it's windows XP.
 
That I can agree with. I'd happily pay 3x the price just to get a headphone plug that doesn't fray nearly as well. In the end I was to to a two to three months life of my headphones. This was the main reason that went with Bluetooth (but even that I destroyed now after six months, my Bluetooth earphones had a small box with the radio, battery, controls and microphone that one clips to ones lapel or similar, that I destroyed when taking off a heavy backpack which caught the box and yanked too heavily on).

Though our different experience is likely due to how differently we use the respective cables (charging vs headphone cable) and thus probably not due to differences in plug design (at least we can't use our experience to draw any clear conclusions on this).
It's possible. I don't use my earphones for anything but the gym, which is generally an hour, rarely two, per day. In my eyes they go through hell, but they see a lot less use over s three month period of time then the charging cables do.

That said, when I have buds last me four years versus as many months with Apple chargers it's hard for me to accept that apples lightning buds would somehow have a longer lifespan under my care.

Their buds honestly aren't much of s concern for me. They don't stay in my ears when working out so I couldn't get much use out of them. I'm more concerned about any adapter that I'd be forced to use. In sure we'd get some third party options, though not sure how soon and at what price.
 
Anyone not notice how huge that connector is?

If this is the real deal, God knows how they managed to pull this mess out.
Of course it is large connector that's where the DAC and amp go. Any adapter will also have the DAC and amp in it and have some sort of larger plug or inline body to house these components. That's the parts along with the 3.5 plug itself that are removed from the iPhone 7.

Edit - correction noted, the DAC and amp circuits remain to provide analog signal and power the speakers. The 3.5 mm plug is removed. External DAC and amp are required for digital signal from the digital Lightning connector.
 
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I hear this a lot but a lot are waiting on the 2017 iPhone which will still have no headphone jack so now what?
I'm hoping that we get third party peripherals that are cheaper and sturdier (assuming apples cables continue being what they are today; speaking of my experiences with them).

In also hoping we get good Bluetooth buds with no cable and at least two hours of battery life. Waterproof isn't a must burnt would need to be very swear resistant. Price point for me would be around $200.

I think, but obviously can't say for sure, that another year would be sufficient time for these products to be easily available.
 
I'm hoping that we get third party peripherals that are cheaper and sturdier (assuming apples cables continue being what they are today; speaking of my experiences with them).

In also hoping we get good Bluetooth buds with no cable and at least two hours of battery life. Waterproof isn't a must burnt would need to be very swear resistant. Price point for me would be around $200.

I think, but obviously can't say for sure, that another year would be sufficient time for these products to be easily available.
Agreed another year down the line there should be better choice and options and by getting rid of the jack I'm sure Apple realise this
 
First of all, thank you for taking the time. Seriously.
I have NO doubt that the future is wireless. And I have no doubt that Apple will succeed in some sort of way. In the future.
I am saying that today, in 2016, with the technology we have it's not a good time. It would be like removing the optical drive in 1999. Yes, the future was networking, and the first ideas of cloud storage was happening. But it was just too early.
Same here. Yes, it will happen, but the technology ain't good enough. People already talked about all the problems (delay, charging devices, unavailability etc.).
In this case I am also not sure that a proprietary device will be the key to move people to another technology (bluetooth).
Your arguments about this issue are thoughtful. Many of the other naysayers seem reactionary and hysterical. Your point about timing is interesting, and is obviously relative to each individual, depending on the status of other technology that you own. If your car already has Bluetooth, if you have an Apple TV with airplay, if you have few Jawbone Jamboxes, and you already use wireless headphones like the Jaybird X2, then this transition will go almost unnoticed. That's my situation. If you still use a wired connection with all your existing gear, you'll need an adapter until that gear is upgraded.

But considering that the entire industry is an order or magnitude bigger than it used to be, and how exponentially faster new technology is rapidly prototyped and implemented, I actually think the "relative effect" of the timing of elimination of the 3.5mm jack and the shift to wireless audio will be about the same as the optical drive change. Also, I remember that back "then" wi-fi wasn't nearly as good/reliable a replacement, relatively, as Bluetooth audio is today. Transferring important files (especially big ones) wirelessly was a pain in the arse! So in that respect I think we're actually ahead of the curve.

I'm not an Apple fanboi that believes everything that comes out of Cupertino is beyond reproach. But in this case, I think they are getting it as right as they can. Plus, I believe part of the reason for this timing is that Apple is laying the groundwork for radical formfactor changes to upcoming iPhones that will be predicated on not having that extra port (e.g. eliminating the "forehead" and the "chin" in order to have the entire front face of the phone be screen).

It takes balls to push things forward, and Apple takes a lot of flack for it. Thank god someone is willing to do it. It's always a bit of a hassle when change happens, but we all adapt. I respect that sometimes, depending on your other ancillary gear, it can feel like more of a hassle than for others. Sounds like that may be the case for you, which is a slight bummer. I'm a filmmaker, with dozens of 3.5 mm audio cables/adapters/gear I've invested in over the years, so I get it. Hopefully, in a few years, we are all looking back at this kerfuffle with a smile.
 
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