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That's not the context of the discussion.

But really, people with overpriced wired analog headphones are really the bottom of the consideration barrel.

According to the market, no one is buying them anymore. Not in significant numbers.

99% of people are using whatever comes with their media player, or purchasing Wireless headphones. Its not hard to see why your use case is not a priority for development of a new product.
Define overpriced.

What market statistic are you citing?

There are lots of audio enthusiasts who are into "overpriced" wired analog headphones. Why don't you wander over to http://www.head-fi.org/ and see how few people are into listening to actual good sounding headphones instead of citing phony statistics?
 
I can't wait to see this happen:

*Tim Cook showing off the new iPhone...*
...then says: "and it even has a standard 3.5mm audio jack for all you music lovers out there..."

*crowd bursts out laughing*.
 
Oh yes, Apple doesn't care about marketshare. Providers of such a widespread gadget such as whatever uses a 3.5" jack? They do care. If you produce headphones, and the company with 22% of the marketshare (and increasing) and the other one with 15% go to two different standards, which one would you follow ? This without even considering that Samsung would probably go to an open standard so that all the other companies (another 50% of the marketshare) can adapt it.

And "The industry" hasn't followed Apple multiple other times before.
Your arguments seem rooted in the past. This isn't about the future of wired audio. It's about the future of wireless everything. Anyone who wants to use their expensive old headphones can slap a cheap adapter on them, leave it there, and be done with it. Within a few years 80% of all music will be enjoyed wirelessly, so all this hubbub over the precious 3.5mm is a lot of pointless fist pounding and hysteria. Even now, my wired audio usage is around 5%, and its pretty much only when I forget my Jaybird X2s. (Also, I wouldn't rule out an entirely new standard for wireless audio sometime down the road that reduces/eliminates latency completely. Wireless innovation will go through the roof once the market grows the way it's about to.)

Your argument over market share is so misguided it's hard to know where to start. But suffice it to say, hundreds of companies interested in profit will be making tens of millions of lightning headphones for Apple users to buy. And many others will be making them with an option for either Lightning or USB-C, because once you have the DAC part out of the way, the dongle at the end isn't a big deal. Apple, and Apple users, will not and should not give a rats ass about what Samsung does. Despite your protestations it will have zero impact on them.

Fortunately, your doom and gloom prophecies won't come true. Apple has succeeded wildly in delighting consumers and making historic profits for years while having a proprietary cable for charging & syncing, and they will continue to prosper in the same way with a proprietary audio connection. Which will itself become increasingly less relevant in a wireless world.
 
Really? Wow. That's the opposite of my experience. I have s terrible time with these things fraying, but it seems to be in the car. One I sucked up with the vacuum but I don't count that. We had a Garmin mounted in my Tacoma that used mini USB. Granted it didn't get plugged in as often, but the cable stayed in the car so it was under much of the same stress.
Cables left in a car might be exposed to much more thermal stress than stuff that stays inside a house or pocket.
Don't know what to say. I recognize not everyone has the same experience as I do but I've had enough trouble with Apple cables that I can say, for me, they're simply not built well.
Cables fray when they are getting yanked or being bent with too much force. My headphone cables do get yanked a lot as they catch something as I move around. They also get bent a lot while in my pocket (where the cable exits the plug). A more central and shorter plug should decrease the latter a lot.
 
you will have to get used to the fact its history after September. Why is it such an issue losing 3.5mm for you (sorry can read 20+ pages of post!)
Well you should, because your points were already soundly debunked 10 pages ago.
 
Your arguments seem rooted in the past. This isn't about the future of wired audio. It's about the future of wireless everything. Anyone who wants to use their expensive old headphones can slap a cheap adapter on them, leave it there, and be done with it. Within a few years 80% of all music will be enjoyed wirelessly, so all this hubbub over the precious 3.5mm is a lot of pointless fist pounding and hysteria. Even now, my wired audio usage is around 5%, and its pretty much only when I forget my Jaybird X2s. (Also, I wouldn't rule out an entirely new standard for wireless audio sometime down the road that reduces/eliminates latency completely. Wireless innovation will go through the roof once the market grows the way it's about to.)

Your argument over market share is so misguided it's hard to know where to start. But suffice it to say, hundreds of companies interested in profit will be making tens of millions of lightning headphones for Apple users to buy. And many others will be making them with an option for either Lightning or USB-C, because once you have the DAC part out of the way, the dongle at the end isn't a big deal. Apple, and Apple users, will not and should not give a rats ass about what Samsung does. Despite your protestations it will have zero impact on them.

Fortunately, your doom and gloom prophecies won't come true. Apple has succeeded wildly in delighting consumers and making historic profits for years while having a proprietary cable for charging & syncing, and they will continue to prosper in the same way with a proprietary audio connection. Which will itself become increasingly less relevant in a wireless world.

First of all, thank you for taking the time. Seriously.
I have NO doubt that the future is wireless. And I have no doubt that Apple will succeed in some sort of way. In the future. They had to wait many many years.
I am saying that today, in 2016, with the technology we have it's not a good time. It would be like removing the optical drive in 1999. Yes, the future was networking, and the first ideas of cloud storage was happening. But it was just too early.
Same here. Yes, it will happen, but the technology ain't good enough. People already talked about all the problems (delay, charging devices, unavailability etc.).
In this case I am also not sure that a proprietary device will be the key to move people to another technology (bluetooth).
There is also one fundamental difference. CD-Rom to SSD/Cloud is a huge bump in functionality. What do BT headphones bring? yes, you can listen to good music (some say it's worse quality, I have no idea). And you remove a wire. IT's all good, but it's not a huge bump.
 
Where is the mic? Now embedded in the earpod via bone conduction? With the controls so low below the Y, I can't imagine it would be effective there and didn't notice it in the video on the control pad..
 
Doesn't really look like the quality on display here (or even the design) is up to Apple's usual standard:

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That would require a significant amount of force to do unless they Etymotic set is not built that well.
I don't know exactly how it happened. But we know that we can bend complete phones when putting them in tight enough pants pockets and sitting down. That might have done it or the headphone plug was sticking out of my pocket and I ran into something or it hit an armrest while sitting down.
 
Another interesting thing..
This headphone.. if true.. will only work with 1 Apple product..
And yes.. I hate charging.. I charge my MacBook, iPad Pro, iphone and Apple Watch everyday.. and now I need to plug in a head phone as well.. time to focus on true wireless not charging. And by that I don't mean placing you phone etc on a plate.. that's not a solution..
 
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I think the "7" will have a 256GB option so storage wont be a problem.
For folks who want a fantastic budget smartphone Moto E with 128GB for approx £80.00 is a great iPod especially if you are with GPM.
My point was that complaining about a $20 adaptor but not complaining about the premium Apple charges for extra storage seems, cost-wise, out of proportion.
 
Cables left in a car might be exposed to much more thermal stress than stuff that stays inside a house or pocket.

Cables fray when they are getting yanked or being bent with too much force. My headphone cables do get yanked a lot as they catch something as I move around. They also get bent a lot while in my pocket (where the cable exits the plug). A more central and shorter plug should decrease the latter a lot.
I won't disagree with anything you've said. It doesn't change the fact that I've had worse experiences with these cables then I do with others despite putting those other cables through similar stresses. (Forgot to mention I have a few micro USB in the car as well for my work phone, but it also gets plugged in less).

It's a bit early to tell but I replaced my car cables with insignia mfi certified cables, namely because my wife is manager at Best Buy and they were $3 a cable. This happened about 4 months ago and no issues thus far. I can also say that I bought a 10 foot Belkin two years ago for using in bed. That cable gets trashed. I yank, bend, twist, roll over with my computer chair, etc. aside from being dis colored a bit (I hate white cables) you couldn't even tell it's used.

My conclusion, collecting mine and other's anecdotal experiences is that apples cables, namely their outer coating, just doesn't stand up to the stresses that those of other manufacturers do. If their lightning buds are made the same way precious peripherals have been made, I give them half a year tops before I need new ones for the gym.
 
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I personally love the idea, and image in a few weeks following the release of the iPhone 7, Bose and other companies making headphones will release headphones with a lightening connector.
I see the benefits outweighing the negatives here, and by next year this will be considered the norm.

The benefit of having to buy adapters for each pair of existing headphones? The benefit of pushing listeners into wireless bluetooth headphones which destroy sound quality? Or the benefits of a proprietary jack, so that no one except for Apple faithful can use your phone for music at a common place (like bbq, party, etc)?

You are right, the benefits are endless.
 
okay so the adapter will be FREE so you can listen to youe high end earphones.
What is your problem?
Well right now, my problem is that you want me to repeat myself after I have done so many many times. Circular arguments are not my thing. Go back and read the thread.
 
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