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I already told my little sister she's getting my iPhone for Christmas. Not going back on that. So I'm going to need a new phone anyway.

Fair enough. In which case no matter what you are getting a great upgrade
 
No it will just make people wonder why they got rid of it in the first place. What would make more sense is to include BT earbuds and pitch it as a transition to wireless. But of course Apple won't do that because then they can't upsell you on anything.

If anything, users will wonder why it took so long for someone to utilize a port that goes unutilized 95% of the day for headphones to make room for a second speaker, more battery, or whatever benefit(s) Apple has in store... provided there are benefits and Apple includes an adapter.

As for upsell, I think that's obvious. Making wireless EarPods the default won't sell a lot more iPhones but pitching the advantages of their brand spanking new wireless EarPods definitely will drive additional revenue.

I think in a few years, people will see the removal of the headphone jack as being self-evident. I've heard all the reasons why it's a bad idea and how this time it's different... People who railed against the removal of floppy and optical drives were just as adamant and just as convinced they were right.
 
It's kind of a bulky looking connector. It does not appear to slim things down at all.
 
I hope people boo at Tim when he talks about removing the audio jack at the keynote. Please, someone with balls boo him!

You know, I actually think it could happen. I doubt Tim would be booed. It's whoever is presenting the iPhone that announces the Jack being deleted.

On second thought, I bet Apple skips over the Jack being deleted entirely and acts like it Never Happened or won't mention it. This seems to more of how they will approach this.
 
Here's some facts:

Apple iPhone sales are declining.
Samsung sales are increasing.
All other manufacturers, including Samsung, are moving to USB-c not Lightning.

What some are saying is that Apple should innovate instead of trying to make thinner phones that milk people on expensive adaptors.

Wireless is the future no doubt. Other manufacturers are offering wireless charging, where is Apple? You have to use a cable.
Some of us like thinner phones.
My Apple buys are not declining.
Everyone has an opinion and are free to decide with their purchase dollars.
Other than the original iPhone, Apple has a pronounced history of not being first to market with next thing. They have stated repeatedly they change when they feel there is a proven stable change to be made. Like how long going to larger screen took.

Adapter sales are not what make or break Apple. The high price of their iPhones is what keeps making billions for the company. As a strategy, it seems to have worked so far. They concentrate on the high end sales, with 35% plus profits as opposed to competing in the lower low margin phone market.

Apple is not, never has been, nor ever will be for everyone. There are more cost effective portable computing devices available. However for those that have bought in to the apple Eco-system, inter communication between devices and the ease of IOS and consistent upgrades it works for us.

Given any ten consumers, and you will have ten unique phone configurations, desires. Probably none of which are exactly what any of the ten want exactly. Given that, the iPhone for all it's imperfections based on some opinions remains a hugely successful money making product.

I remember the vast number of nay Sayers when the iPhone came out. All of which have either copied. The iPhone or have gone by the wayside. What former smart phone design has remained other than the iPhone or a copy of it?
 
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They were? I haven't used a cd since Snow Leopard. :/
There is something nice about installing an OS from a DVD, and I used to do it all the time as you never know when your system is compromised and you have to start fresh again. The modern day equivalent is either an external disk or USB key or worse still an OTA OS installation. All three of those are subject to injection/corruption.
 
Apple Employees + Journalists who want to be invited to the next Apple event = no booing...

Let the man dream!

Although personally, I think a highly tepid response with confused looks would do considerably more damage. Better yet, bring out the Apple Music chick from WWDC 2016. :eek:

I still feel sorry for that poor woman. She did the best anyone could have hoped, given the material, anyway.
 
I've been using Bluetooth A2DP headsets since 2011. My JayBird's have lasted me ~5 years, great for the gym, no wires getting in the way of lifting. It's no different than vehicle Bluetooth Audio streaming, sounds great in my Audi. I have a pair of Bang & Olufsen H8's for travel - excellent sound quality, handsfree gesture controls on the right ear piece, 12+ hours on a 30 min charge, and additional batteries can be used to swap out between charges. A decent pair of Bluetooth headsets shouldn't cost more than $50-60 now.

I honestly don't understand the endless complaints about the possibility of losing a dated 3.5mm jack on a mobile phone. If you're using Apple's earbuds that's your first mistake.
 
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That's EXACTLY what I just thought.
thats the first thing i thought of. might get a 6s as a back up. glad to see most people are disappointed with this move. only way they will change the next model is if no one buys it, but that won't happen!!!
 
If anything, users will wonder why it took so long for someone to utilize a port that goes unutilized 95% of the day for headphones to make room for a second speaker, more battery, or whatever benefit(s) Apple has in store... provided there are benefits and Apple includes an adapter.

As for upsell, I think that's obvious. Making wireless EarPods the default won't sell a lot more iPhones but pitching the advantages of their brand spanking new wireless EarPods definitely will drive additional revenue.

I think in a few years, people will see the removal of the headphone jack as being self-evident. I've heard all the reasons why it's a bad idea and how this time it's different... People who railed against the removal of floppy and optical drives were just as adamant and just as convinced they were right.

This is different, it's not removal as such , but changing the way you connect the same accessory.

A better example is Apple moving to mini display port, and that was not a good experience , no monitors supported it, connections amongst Apple devices were a mess and took many years to be useful . Introducing a proprietary connector to achieve the same result is not the same as what happened with floppy or optical , only way it would be the same if floppy and optical remained but the connection method changed
 
I'm very sure that apple will include a very small 3.5 mm to lightening adapter with every iphone 7.

I'm very sure they won't. Why would Apple encourage people to continue using their old 3.5mm equipment?

I don't mean to sound pedantic but I've seen a few folks make these assertions now. Is this number verifiable somewhere? Is it just an educated guess on your part? I guess I just don't see how you are so sure that most folks willeither use Bluetooth or whatever is packaged with their phone.

Maybe I just haven't studied the market (and others have), so I'm just totally off base.

This is the closest I have to any kind of study/survey ...

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

So which one should be the standard, with lightning, or USB type C ?

Neither. The standard will be wireless.
 
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I've been using Bluetooth A2DP headsets since 2011. My JayBird's have lasted me ~5 years, great for the gym, no wires getting in the way of lifting. It's no different than vehicle Bluetooth Audio streaming, sounds great in my Audi. I have a pair of Bang & Olufsen H8's for travel - excellent sound quality, handsfree gesture controls on the right ear piece, 12+ hours on a 30 min charge, and additional batteries can be used to swap out between charges. A decent pair of Bluetooth headsets shouldn't cost more than $50-60 now.

I honestly don't understand the endless complaints about the possibility of losing a dated 3.5mm jack on a mobile phone. If you're using Apple's earbuds that's your first mistake.

Even though you have nice stuff, I am not sure you get a good idea about what great sound actually is. BT sound is not it.
 
I'm very sure they won't. Why would Apple encourage people to continue using their old 3.5mm equipment?



This is the closest I have to any kind of study/survey ...

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986



Neither. The standard will be wireless.
Hey, that is a lot better than the nothing I found and it actually jives with what people here are proclaiming. I appreciate the citation!

Im also floored by how many want thinner phones. Damn.
 
Even though you have nice stuff, I am not sure you get a good idea about what great sound actually is. BT sound is not it.

This is going in the direction of lossless versus compressed digital audio versus vinyl. For the average consumer, this is a non-sequitur. It's akin to comparing a McIntosh and Sony amp, Apple's and Oranges.
 
Neither. The standard will be wireless.
Nope.

Like networking ? Nope. Wireless has too many issues to replace wired for Audio for many many years, it's a convienice for those that can afford it.

Cost is a major factor on why it will not become a standard .
 
This is going in the direction of lossless versus compressed digital audio versus vinyl. For the average consumer, this is a non-sequitur. It's akin to comparing a McIntosh and Sony amp, Apple's and Oranges.
oops i was trying to quote the article... i didnt know how
 
I've been using Bluetooth A2DP headsets since 2011. My JayBird's have lasted me ~5 years, great for the gym, no wires getting in the way of lifting. It's no different than vehicle Bluetooth Audio streaming, sounds great in my Audi. I have a pair of Bang & Olufsen H8's for travel - excellent sound quality, handsfree gesture controls on the right ear piece, 12+ hours on a 30 min charge, and additional batteries can be used to swap out between charges. A decent pair of Bluetooth headsets shouldn't cost more than $50-60 now.

I honestly don't understand the endless complaints about the possibility of losing a dated 3.5mm jack on a mobile phone. If you're using Apple's earbuds that's your first mistake.

i reckon the lightning adaptor will break easily when in peoples pockets, can't charge your phone at the same time and i also dont want a bluetooth signal in my ears, can't be good for your brain!!!
i can see why people are complaining.
 
i reckon the lightning adaptor will break easily when in peoples pockets, can't charge your phone at the same time and i also dont want a bluetooth signal in my ears, can't be good for your brain!!!
i can see why people are complaining.

So use bluetooth headsets. Problem solved. People are complaining for the sake of complaining, it's a non-sequitur.

As mentioned earlier:

"Now, to the two-fold question that launched this process. Verbatim, we said that "rumor has it that Apple will eliminate the headphone jack in favor of wireless or Lightning-connector headphones. If true, will this have any effect on your day-to-day use?" The majority, 723 users, said that the removal of the headphone jack would have no effect, with 189 saying it would have a detrimental effect on usage of the devices. The remaining 88 users had no opinion."

"Here's an interesting data point -- not all of the 189 who claimed that they would be negatively impacted thought that the removal would be a bad idea. Only 132 of the 189 thought that the removal would be bad for Apple and the phone. There's still no overwhelming majority in favor of the eradication of the headphone jack, though -- 412 of the full pool said that the removal was a good idea, leaving 466 with no opinion one way or another."
 
If all the rumors and mockups are remotely true, I don't even think the iPhone 7 looks thinner.
 
Here's some facts:

Apple iPhone sales are declining.
Samsung sales are increasing.
All other manufacturers, including Samsung, are moving to USB-c not Lightning.

What some are saying is that Apple should innovate instead of trying to make thinner phones that milk people on expensive adaptors.

Wireless is the future no doubt. Other manufacturers are offering wireless charging, where is Apple? You have to use a cable.

iPhone sales are declining currently you should say. Two down quarters in the midst of so much growth is hardly exclusive to Apple. And when you mention SAMESONG be sure that you ACCURATELY point out that they suffered LOSSES last fiscal year as a result of Apples success. ALL TECH COMPANIES suffer their highs and lows. Apparently many here think Apple should have only Up sales to infinity. C'mon. Btw -- developing thinner electronic components and devices is innovative. It may not be the innovation you or others appreciate, cool -- speak for yourself.

Personally I am completely ok with iPhone 7/Plus having incredible upgrades to it's camera system and Touch ID. The pictures my iPhones 6s and 6S+ take some stunning pictures -- all I want is a huge bump in zoom quality for pictures and video, better sound recording.

I for one am less concerned about design versus A better camera, A better Battery, and maybe-maybe a better display if thats that possible. I'm pretty satisfied that the iPhone is pretty great just the way it is. And since the vast majority of people hide their devices under covers that's yet another reason to be less concerned about externals versus internals.
 
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Nope.

Like networking ? Nope. Wireless has too many issues to replace wired for Audio for many many years, it's a convienice for those that can afford it.

Cost is a major factor on why it will not become a standard .

You're awfully adamant with your stance. Could you please cite sources to back up your opinions? Again, this is akin to the lossless vs lossy compressed vs vinyl debate. Unlike myself, most don't have McIntosh amp's or Bang & Olufsen systems and even if they did there is no hard evidence to suggest that bluetooth A2DP audio is inferior on a mobile device. That comes down to the quality of the track and headset.
 
Bad idea to remove the ubiquitous 3.5mm audio jack that works on laptops, desktops, automobiles, music players, mobile phones, even the in-seat audio connections on airlines.

Millions of people have spent good money on high quality headphones and earbuds that use the 3.5mm standard to be left out in the cold.

Its not just that but in order to benefit from external DAC you need to have a good DAC. Unfortunately good quality DAC's don't come cheap so get ready to spend some serious money. Then again if you end up braking the cable / lighting plug you will also loose that nice small micro DAC
You've seen the post about the lightning-to-3.5mm adapter right? Just like you could get an external SuperDrive when they first dropped the disc drive from laptops. People can still use their coveted 3.5mm headphones until they upgrade to bluetooth.

Upgrade to BT?!? What are you talking about?!? When is lower quality called an "Upgrade". I have a idea, wait for BT 5.0 or some future version which will allow uncompressed audio delivery and then call it an upgrade.
 
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