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Fundamental Misunderstanding what AVP is
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Ok - but when you come back I don't want to talk about "what kind of payment am I looking for"
This is an all cash deal!
I think it’s a stupid waste of time. I also think people are going to be excited for a week then go “why did I spend $4k on this?”
That’s about it, yeah. They’re investing in the future, don’t you know.
The real question is not about what it offers as a mixed reality headset, but is the current method of hand finger gesture really that much different as far as work efficiency compared to how a iPadOS touch movements are vs macOS? It’s very hard to edit as fast on a iPad as an example compared to a Mac. It hard to get an accurate impression from the online reviews for real world tasks how well the same will be on the Vision Pro?
Seriously? Do you own and use an Apple Silicon Mac or MacBook? I do and the whisper silence of both while handling compute and graphic intense workloads could not have been achieved without Apple Silicon.
I remember the before and after of sitting at home during the Covid lockdown on back-to-back webex, zoom and Teams calls, sometimes running discrete event simulations via Windows VMs in-between and during these meetings and feeling like I was working in an airplane locker.
I also remember the unbelievable, sanity-preserving silence after switching from a maxed-out 32GB RAM 16” Intel MBPro to a 16GB M1 mini and then later to a maxed-out 16” M1 Max MBPro. The lower-specced M1 mini ran circles around the intel MBPro for my use cases and did so without fan noise. I only switched to the M1 Max MBPro when lockdown was relaxed and I started traveling again.
These are clearly two devices that could not have been built without Apple Silicon. And like the AVP they’re likely better understood and appreciated by people who are actually using them.
My M3 Pro MacBook Pro must be faulty, because it’s not whisper silent when I do anything intensive.
So what you’re saying is that the AVP is designed to allow someone to be more easily disconnected from the real world since they don’t have to hold a device. Got it. If you’re playing with your cat, how is this better than watching it on the TV other than you get to give less real attention to the cat?
His head isn’t free for the cat he’s playing with in the real world. Who knows what the cat is thinking.
Sounds like even less vitamin D for the eyes too. Bonus.As someone who grew up in Wisconsin, and once I left have never even considered going back, I totally feel your pain. The six months of winter is just brutal. Maybe that's the magic sauce of the AVP? For Up North™ residents to throw their Zoom and Excel windows up over an immersive display of spatial tropical splendor.
Why would someone waste their time with the real world when they can now view everything through a screen?
Honest question: do you mostly just re watch videos privately? Because the only time I ever watch recorded videos I took it’s when I am showing someone else.
There is a major difference between a physical screen in a stationary position and a virtual screen
i think people underestimate the long term impact on a person’s eyes. There is a difference between a physical screen you can briefly look away from to rest your eyes (even subconsciously) and a virtual screen that looking away from just presents more screen. Not to mention the horrible ergonomic damage of twisting and contorting your neck all day long. It will be great for the massage industry!
It is a waste. But let’s not underestimate modern addiction to screens. I imagine this will be even more drug-like for many people. I’m actually very concerned about what this will do to people’s health.
Here’s a big misunderstanding about AVP:
Apple is heavily promoting the term "spatial" in all its marketing materials, referring to 3D videos captured with the iPhone 15 Pro and the headset as "spatial videos," claiming in one ad that this is “brand new technology”. This is a lie; what they're marketing as "spatial videos" are essentially stereoscopic 3D videos, a technology that has been around since 1841 and used in countless VR devices. Brand new, right??
The "spatial videos" showcased in their TV ads are nothing more than marketing hype. Given the close proximity of the camera lenses on the iPhone 15 Pro, any video captured will have minimal depth, contrary to what the ads suggest. For an effective parallax effect, the lenses would need to be approximately 60-70mm apart, mirroring the distance between human eyes.
While the headset might be capable of capturing with this necessary separation, the advertisements' promise of being able to rotate around a scene with the background remaining fixed is a blatant lie. Videos like the Alicia Keys demo are different, but they were not filmed with the iPhone or AVP.
It's likely that many people, especially those unfamiliar with the history and technology of 3D photography, might be led to believe Apple has invented some groundbreaking new "spatial" viewing technology, which is far from the truth. Apple marketing dept should really be ashamed of themselves for this one, as well as the YouTube shills who got advanced units for not pointing any of this out in their reviews.
Apple is heavily promoting the term "spatial" in all its marketing materials, referring to 3D videos captured with the iPhone 15 Pro and the headset as "spatial videos," claiming in one ad that this is “brand new technology”. This is a lie; what they're marketing as "spatial videos" are essentially stereoscopic 3D videos, a technology that has been around since 1841 and used in countless VR devices. Brand new, right??
The "spatial videos" showcased in their TV ads are nothing more than marketing hype. Given the close proximity of the camera lenses on the iPhone 15 Pro, any video captured will have minimal depth, contrary to what the ads suggest. For an effective parallax effect, the lenses would need to be approximately 60-70mm apart, mirroring the distance between human eyes.
While the headset might be capable of capturing with this necessary separation, the advertisements' promise of being able to rotate around a scene with the background remaining fixed is a blatant lie. Videos like the Alicia Keys demo are different, but they were not filmed with the iPhone or AVP.
It's likely that many people, especially those unfamiliar with the history and technology of 3D photography, might be led to believe Apple has invented some groundbreaking new "spatial" viewing technology, which is far from the truth. Apple marketing dept should really be ashamed of themselves for this one, as well as the YouTube shills who got advanced units for not pointing any of this out in their reviews.
It’s very much ahead of its time. I do wonder how much the price will relegate it to niche status and eventual cancellation. While it is obviously going to come down in price in future iterations, by how much? I can’t think of an Apple product that has dropped in price by half recently, and that is the price cut needed for this to be widely adopted. That said, Apple is pushing consumer debt hard these days, so I could be way off. Some people think that if they can afford monthly payments on something, they can afford it. The banks love this mindset.
Here’s a big misunderstanding about AVP:
Apple is heavily promoting the term "spatial" in all its marketing materials, referring to 3D videos captured with the iPhone 15 Pro and the headset as "spatial videos," claiming in one ad that this is “brand new technology”. This is a lie; what they're marketing as "spatial videos" are essentially stereoscopic 3D videos, a technology that has been around since 1841 and used in countless VR devices. Brand new, right??
The "spatial videos" showcased in their TV ads are nothing more than marketing hype. Given the close proximity of the camera lenses on the iPhone 15 Pro, any video captured will have minimal depth, contrary to what the ads suggest. For an effective parallax effect, the lenses would need to be approximately 60-70mm apart, mirroring the distance between human eyes.
While the headset might be capable of capturing with this necessary separation, the advertisements' promise of being able to rotate around a scene with the background remaining fixed is a blatant lie. Videos like the Alicia Keys demo are different, but they were not filmed with the iPhone or AVP.
It's likely that many people, especially those unfamiliar with the history and technology of 3D photography, might be led to believe Apple has invented some groundbreaking new "spatial" viewing technology, which is far from the truth. Apple marketing dept should really be ashamed of themselves for this one, as well as the YouTube shills who got advanced units for not pointing any of this out in their reviews.
…it uses LIDAR in the process. So definitionally it is not merely stereoscopic video.Here’s a big misunderstanding about AVP:
Apple is heavily promoting the term "spatial" in all its marketing materials, referring to 3D videos captured with the iPhone 15 Pro and the headset as "spatial videos," claiming in one ad that this is “brand new technology”. This is a lie; what they're marketing as "spatial videos" are essentially stereoscopic 3D videos, a technology that has been around since 1841 and used in countless VR devices. Brand new, right??
The "spatial videos" showcased in their TV ads are nothing more than marketing hype. Given the close proximity of the camera lenses on the iPhone 15 Pro, any video captured will have minimal depth, contrary to what the ads suggest. For an effective parallax effect, the lenses would need to be approximately 60-70mm apart, mirroring the distance between human eyes.
While the headset might be capable of capturing with this necessary separation, the advertisements' promise of being able to rotate around a scene with the background remaining fixed is a blatant lie. Videos like the Alicia Keys demo are different, but they were not filmed with the iPhone or AVP.
It's likely that many people, especially those unfamiliar with the history and technology of 3D photography, might be led to believe Apple has invented some groundbreaking new "spatial" viewing technology, which is far from the truth. Apple marketing dept should really be ashamed of themselves for this one, as well as the YouTube shills who got advanced units for not pointing any of this out in their reviews.
I’ve been reviewing comments online from owners and 3D photography experts alike, and the consensus is that the “spatial videos” appear to be standard 3D photography and not nearly as impressive as the ones shown in the ads, which were certainly marketing fluff. The viewer would not be able to get a parallax like that where the background is stationary but subjects can be viewed from multiple angles unless there were multiple cameras at different angles for the capture.
If it’s utilizing LiDAR, then it‘s very subtle and to not any great effect. Apple lied to us again, that’s the bottom line here. For someone new to VR sets it‘s probably quite impressive, but still misleading and definitely not a “brand new technology”.
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That statement about Google and especially Microsoft investing in interoperability with the Mac Ecosystem is hollow.
I use both Google Suite and Microsoft 365/Office/Teams and experience these companies investment in Mac “interoperability” every day and there’s nothing there to see.
Google is largely banking on file compatibility and freeloading on web technology for interoperability, but at least they are benign competitors.
Microsoft on the other hand is trying to use interoperability to actively seize control of the Mac. This is obvious with their OneDrive and audio subsystem shenanigans that degrade the Mac user experience overall and especially compared to how the same products work on Windows.
The audio subsystem integration circumvents MacOs audio device settings forcing you to set the same things in MacOS and Teams. I suspect this is a ruse to gain hardware access for advertising fingerprinting.
OneDrive constantly tries to insinuate itself between you and the files on your Mac and even when you start a file in a Mac folder using Office, it ends up on OneDrive without you actively moving it. This is problematic if you’ve chosen to use iCloud storage exclusively as I have or if you have multiple Office365 accounts as I do for multiple clients. Files for Client A inevitably end up on Client B OneDrive and vice-versa and requires constant effort to undo which you can not really do because you can never really remove something from cloud storage without unnatural effort.
Net-net: this claimed virtuous Google and Microsoft investment in Mac interoperability is non-existent and actually malicious on Microsoft’s part.
That doesn’t refute the argument…
Everyone you should or should not be listening to on these topics is in the "internet commentator" crowd.
Not sure of your point.
Are you waiting for a write up in a now non-existent print magazine?
I agree with your point and the general sentiment that multitasking can be a net-productivity loss; but don’t think this boils down to single screen good, multiple screens bad. Some people work exactly the way described when focus is optimal for the task at hand, and then use multiple monitors for those cases where seeing multiple things together is optimal. I cycle through both modes multiple times each day and suspect that others do so as well.
My point is I’m tired of people using claims that aren’t true to bolster an opinion they have.
Just state the damn opinion and don’t be lazy with *technical* details on a technology forum.
You can not like the effect of spatial video, but to make the claim that’s is the same as simple stereoscopic video (ignoring the audio component for a moment) is just lazy. So let’s skip to the chase and people should just say they don’t like the effect. That’s fine, opinions are fine, just don’t back it up with technically incorrect information.