You nailed it. The tendency to say *anything* — weak, inaccurate or even false — to score a point or support an opinion is very prominent in this thread.
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Fundamental Misunderstanding what AVP is
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Despite the haters I think you're right. I think this is the vision (pun intended) Apple has and although the first gen still feels clunky, the idea of merging our digital and physical lives via light weight glasses or contacts feels inevitable and magical and this is Apple's goal. It will actually do wonders for ergonomics to be a knowledge worker and not be tied to a desk anymore.
It's a lovely idea, but we aren't even remotely close to that from a technology standpoint
Like -- not even in the same galaxy
The point is that there is no such thing as “spatial video”. It’s just a marketing term that Apple created out of thin air and allowed the fanatics to run with. It *IS* essentially just simple stereoscopic 3D photography. How can you deny that? Maybe Apple is using LiDAR to some subtle degree for additional depth perception, but until we get a detailed technical breakdown it’s speculation. The fact remains that the demos shown in marketing materials 100% are not genuine video captured with either the iPhone 15 Pro or the AVP and Apple is knowingly engaging in falsehoods. Not a good look!
That's a good point I hadn't thought of. It's generally recommended that you look away and focus on something distant to prevent eye fatigue if you spend all day in front of a screen: It lets your eye muscles assume a different position which is as good as a rest. I'm not sure that's possible with AVP unless you remove it entirely.
In any case, I was thinking AVP would be good for me a couple of hours a day to let me escape my desk but still get real work done.
Interesting. Didn't know that.
You know, it still might be workable if secondary apps like Chrome/Safari, Slack, Zoom (and maybe Teams?), etc. can all run natively in the AVP environment alongside a virtual Mac screen.
I'd be pleasantly surprised , shocked really, if it all works right now - but maybe in a year or two once the app vendors figure out their AVP strategy.
been saying this since the reveal…and it’s only going to get better👍 this blows Meta and Playstation out of the water…it’s the ecosystem that is the killer app, I keep saying that this device is meant to replace iphone, apple watch, ipad, macbook, homePods, apple TV…all of it which is CRAZY!
can you get facetime calls, imessage on Meta Quest? nope
Umm, on the software side, both the Quest and PSVR2 have a far better software library and ecosystem at the moment.
The Quest in particular and much more so than the PSVR2 honestly
Not everything has to "do everything"
And "FaceTime" calls don't even show your actual "face" when in AVP
Agree to disagree there
I think we're 5-10 years away
Things an Apple chat bot would say for 100, please.
The answer to your question is “no.”
Odd concept, I know, but has it ever crossed your mind that egregious profits and outsized market domination aren’t necessarily the most admirable goals out there?
What you think doesn’t really matter because this idea is beyond the physically possible.
We will never have contact lenses that do any of this, for one. The human eyeball produces zero electricity.
In 10 years you might have slightly longer battery life for a slightly (10%?) slimmer device. If Apple still makes it.
I was actually thinking the VP may let me read in a more ergonomic position than my iPad or iPhone, which I have to twist my neck down to look at. A computer monitor on a desk, if positioned at the right height, lets me keep my head upright while reading, but sitting at a desk isn't relaxing. With the VP, I could read with my head up while relaxing on a sofa or in bed. Of course, the unknown is how much stress having the weight of the VP on my face puts on my neck or other parts of my body. But if the VP is comfortable enough on my face, it could actually put my massage therapist out of business.
but what you think matters more? Who made you the expert?
contact lenses, I don't know enough about bio or nano engineering, maybe neuralink device makes more sense. Glasses though, definitely happening.
You made good points but you went awry at the end. You should have said “…in search of a problem that doesn’t actually exist for *me*.”
Your sweeping statement is exactly what people said about the iPad, and you’re as wrong now as they were then.
Too late, they already shorted the stock. Hence the long faces.
There were plenty of use cases for the iPad, even at launch. It’s just that there wasn’t a whole lot that it did significantly better than the iPhone. Of course it’s gotten more capable as developers stepped up. But the joke was in the name (which still is kind of funny) and that the Apple faithful at the time — many on this forum — were claiming that it was only a matter of time until the notebook and desktop PC markets would be obsolete. Because the iPad would replace them as productivity powerhouses. Yes, many people actually believed that. Of course they always seem to forget that part 😂
Odd concept, I know, but has it ever crossed your mind that enviable profits and market share are not Apple’s goals — but are actually the market rewarding Tim Cook’s Apple for doing important and difficult things not only well, but significantly better than others?
This is an Apple forum - discussing Apple products. You don't have to buy a product to share an opinon about it.
Due to newness of the AVP product and its form resembles somewhat with existing a typical VR device, people make comparison to the typical VR devices. They are pretty much a computer headset with extended features for AVP.
Hence, no fundamental misunderstanding occurred, but different perspective.
For me, AVP is great for media consumption for “not” extended long period of time. I am wondering if 8-10 hours wearing the headset will be comfortable for people in general. I know I will not be comfortable of wearing anything around my eyes and head all the time or long periods of time. But for some, that is doable. Hence, the computing headset is great for some group of people but not for everyone.
Keep calm, decide if AVP is great for your life style and be happy with your decision 😊 Life is too short for being unhappy😊
Magical. Do you hear yourself?
Magical, just like AI taking away those important “knowledge worker” jobs…