Fundamental Misunderstanding what AVP is

[turbineseaplane]

Most of Apple's current products simply wouldn't be possible without their silicon team.

We're talking about two different things I think

On the mobile side I'm with you, but not on the Mac side

They've not made any Macs that "wouldn't be possible without ASi", especially when we talk about desktops.
Laptops are of course all about efficiency, and that's been great

But even on laptops .. where is the 12" MacBook that was always BEGGING for super efficient/powerful chips?
Where is the laptop with cellular built in, that, once again, could really use a power efficient platform?
We've got notches all over -- where is FaceID on the laptops?

On and on..

They simply aren't investing and innovating like they should/could in that space

 

[XboxEvolved]

It’s guessing because you have no clue on the quality and depth you are just supporting your preconceived bias… the question is why is this so important to you? I don’t waste my time in android forums. All the negative comments were made weeks ago. Now you’re just rationalizing.

What? Didn't I say you can do some version of these things? Did I say it was the highest quality? Why would I waste my time in Android forums? I don't give a **** about android. I care about Apple. Have you been reading my post?

 

[G5isAlive]

Kudos to the OP for sharing his positive actual experience.

 

[G5isAlive]

Um…every human being I’ve seen live in my household or visit my household tends to pocket their phones to play with our cats. It’s pretty normal.

Yeah I’m sure it never comes out when interacting… sorry all you got to do is look around at all the bent heads to know people don’t always pocket their phones.

 

[Night Spring]

I have several friends who had been asking me about AVP and they honestly hadn't ever looked into or tried any other VR/AR device of any kind.

I'm one of the people who weren't interested in VR/AR devices until the Vision Pro. That's because previous devices were marketed as gaming/consumption devices. Nobody talked about getting actual work done with them. Apple placed productivity front and center in their presentation, which got my interest. Is it just marketing hype, or can people actually do work on the VP? I'm looking forward to hea people's real life experiences.

 

[AirpodsNow]

I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what AVP is.

So many reviewers are making comparisons to other headsets like Oculus or PSVR. And in my ways, I don’t think that’s a relevant comparison. Sure some of the technology has parallels, but the purpose of AVP is very different.

I mean sometimes the reviewers or some enthusiasts are knee deep in trying to make sense of things or needing to make a rational story with their wealth of experience of other products that they can’t see the tree anymore through the forest. Similarly for anyone in any trade there are too experienced to enjoy the simple experience.

What we get out of it individually, the wow effect or feeling it’s like magic or just simply as you said the moments it just works for you… these might be more important to you than anything else.

It’s kinda fun reading people’s comments how they are gobsmacked with the AVP, for some it might even be the first time since they are soo young and for others it feels like the first of or iPhone. I can’t remember people having such strong reactions to electronic devices…. 🤔. Unfortunately some had the opposite feeling of utter disappointment.

 

[XboxEvolved]

We're talking about two different things I think

On the mobile side I'm with you, but not on the Mac side

They've not made any Macs that "wouldn't be possible without ASi", especially when we talk about desktops.
Laptops are of course all about efficiency, and that's been great

But even on laptops .. where is the 12" MacBook that was always BEGGING for super efficient/powerful chips?
Where is the laptop with cellular built in, that, once again, could really use a power efficient platform?
We've got notches all over -- where is FaceID on the laptops?

On and on..

They simply aren't investing and innovating like they should/could in that space

I think 100% the Macs that are out now are thanks to ASi. The Mac Studio, ASi. The iMac we have now, ASi. The Mac Pro...yeah I can see your point. In regards to a 12" or cellular, there's a fascinating 2 part interview with Jon Rubinstein, the OG SVP of hardware that Jobs brought to the fold when Apple bought NeXT and he said they had prototypes of PBG4 running on cellular modems but because of how the carriers worked at the time they never went further with it. He hypothesized if they were able to crack the business side of it at the time that most laptops would probably have cellular connections now. So I don't really blame Apple for that I blame all the carriers.

Face ID not being on Mac when it is on iPad Pro though yeah that is a head scratcher.

 

[257Loner]

Yeah I’m sure it never comes out when interacting… sorry all you got to do is look around at all the bent heads to know people don’t always pocket their phones.

I take mine out to take pictures of our cats, but I don’t surf the web and play with our cats at the same time.

 

[MazingerZND]

Can't people enjoy their devices without needing everyone else to agree with them or help them justify their expensive new toy?

 

[XboxEvolved]

It’s guessing because you have no clue on the quality and depth you are just supporting your preconceived bias… the question is why is this so important to you? I don’t waste my time in android forums. All the negative comments were made weeks ago. Now you’re just rationalizing.

Why do you keep repeating yourself? I said that a version of what he is doing is possible on other headsets for much cheaper just not as sharp, and why do you keep bringing up Android?

 

[XboxEvolved]

Can't people enjoy their devices without needing everyone else to agree with them or help them justify their expensive new toy?

but that's the whole reason he posted this, to justify his new expensive toy lol

 

[cateye]

Irony you getting down on positive emotions while being so negative

I get it you don’t want one.

Plz quote where I've said I don't want one. I've got a ton of Apple kit, I'm sure I'll add an AVP to the collection at some point, when the utility (for me) goes up and the price comes down. It's a practical decision, as any time I'm separated from great big piles of money is. IMO, the pre-orgasmic exclamations are ridiculous. Don't agree? That's cool. I hope everyone's enjoying their purchase. But I'm not here to join the twee drum circle.

 

[XboxEvolved]

Plz quote where I've said I don't want one. I've got a ton of Apple kit, I'm sure I'll add an AVP to the collection at some point, when the utility (for me) goes up and the price comes down. It's a practical decision, as any time I'm separated from great big piles of money is. IMO, the pre-orgasmic exclamations are ridiculous. Don't agree? That's cool. I hope everyone's enjoying their purchase. But I'm not here to join the twee drum circle.

They have a good supply of copium, apparently we don't.

 

[AirpodsNow]

This is fundamentally what I think. Currently people are paying around $4k for the "privilege" of being a beta tester.

People saying this lost their sense of trial or exploring together. The good old days when apps weren’t that readily available but where you have to hunt or know friends to get things on the pc or Macs have been gone so long that generations already get used to only want to dip into electronics that have proven. Or even the time in 2008 when apps on the iPhone were coming out like weeds, there were so many weird uses for it, when nowadays they all are so boringly familiar.

Computers in the 80s were expensive and what we could do with it was somehow an exploration. To be part of the early curve of early adopters has a price in both cost and time, nothing is guaranteed. I think that is the fun and excitement that some haven’t felt (for a long time for some oldies).

If you think that 4K is expensive for such an experience as it seems throughout your posts, this journey is clearly not for you. But just saying it’s a beta testing device I think you also might be more conservative with technology.

I watch this space with lots of excitement and await the time I can join as well.

 

[cateye]

They have a good supply of copium, apparently we don't.

Remember Guy Kawasaki? The marketing charlatan who wrote "The Macintosh Way" and self-appointed himself pontiff of the Apple Faithful? I feel like there are a lot of people left in the Apple community who took his book a bit too literally.

Computers in the 80s were expensive and what we could do with it was somehow an exploration. To be part of the early curve of early adopters has a price in both cost and time, nothing is guaranteed. I think that is the fun and excitement that some haven’t felt (for a long time for some oldies).

As a child of 80s technology exploration, through Apples, Commodores, Amigas, PCs and eventually Macs, I hear and feel this. But a product like the AVP, walled off and closed and steered by the ghost of Jobsian's hand of God, drenched in Apple's marketing excesses, is about as far away from that experience as possible. To evaluate its practical merits is entirely reasonable. I'll save my excitement toward technology for things I can ultimately control and explore without spuriously-justified restrictions.

But sure. All new technology is cool, on some level. On that we can agree.

 

[Jony Ive]

I work from home with three monitors on my desk. I need all the physical screen real estate to do my job - which means I’m tied to my desk, sitting, all day.

I can’t see AVP replacing my setup 8 hrs a day, every day, but it would be good to be able to stand up every so often to work (I don’t have an adjustable standing desk). It would also be great to be free to take meetings outside when the weather is nice and have all my screens with me.

That‘s what primarily interests me about AVP. Gaming not at all.

AVP only allows for 1 monitor of your Mac

 

[ratspg]

WALL-EEEEEEE!!! Apple must really love that movie.

 

[Mac-Donald]

Multiple killer use cases will come to light as developers and creatives begin to really think about what can be done with AVP. Don’t look at the current apps, these are mostly ported from a 2D environment, and a relatively basic use cases. Check weather, watch videos, reply to messages etc… the possibilities are so much more, it just needs a little imagination. Paired up with a Pelaton for an ultra realistic cycle ride, immersive F1 simulation, enterprise use cases, designers collaborating in real time on product designs, structural engineers testing realistic and life size building structures, fire and rescue simulations for training new recruits, virtual shopping expertise of walking round shop aisles, picking products off shelves rather than click small pics on websites, build a car virtually piecing together engine parts then simulated driving experience, play golf on any course in the world, take a scuba dive and be immersed almost entirely within that environment (May as well as it looks like a scuba mask!)

My point is, imagine the possibilities, this is a v1 product, yes it’s heavy, yes it’s pricey but both points will improve. Yes there are products $3000 cheaper but none that have the resolution, quality, backing and most importantly, the longevity AVP will have. If I were a developer, I’d want to know that this product will exist for years, be improved on and have a growing user base of potentially millions before I’d put resources into building those killer experiences. Can that be said of meta and Sony products? It’s not just about product specs.

This is the future, it’s a bit clunky but give Apple credit for a great v1 product to kick off with and get people excited about the possibilities. And of course the marketing is as polished as the products, we’d expect nothing less from Apple but if you’d spent years developing a new product category (for Apple) the you’re not going to half arse the marketing. What would that say about their confidence in it?.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Multiple killer use cases will come to light as developers and creatives begin to really think about what can be done with AVP. Don’t look at the current apps, these are mostly porter from a 2D environment, and a relatively basi mc use cases. Check weather, watch videos, reply to messages etc… the possibilities are so much more, it just needs a little imagination. Paired up with a Pelaton for an ultra realistic cycle ride, immersive F1 simulation, enterprise use cases, designers collaborating in real time on product designs, structural engineers testing realistic and life size building structures, fire and rescue simulations for training new recruits, virtual shopping expertise of walking round shop aisles, picking profits off shelves rather than click small pics on websites, build a car virtually pricing together engine parts then simulated driving experience, play golf on any course in the world, take a scuba dive and be immersed almost entirely within that environment (May as well as it looks like a scuba mask!)

So "the future" is living inside some virtual goggles/world all day and night?

I'm out

 

[AlumaMac]

So "the future" is living inside some virtual goggles/world all day and night?

I'm out

"….imagine the possibilities…." For $3500+.

 

[Mac-Donald]

So "the future" is living inside some virtual goggles/world all day and night?

I'm out

Why does it have to be ‘living inside’? Can’t we use a device like this as and when needed and in combination with phones and tablets? Some may argue that phones, tablets and tvs make for a very unsociable and bleak experience so this can’t be any worse can it? I’m sure we’ve all experienced being in a room with 3 or 4 others and everyone’s on their phones not talking…

 

[Mac-Donald]

"….imagine the possibilities…." For $3500+.

If it’s too much for you then it’s not for you.

Others will happily pay that and feel they’ve got a good deal considering all the tech, design, engineering and know how that’s gone into a device you can strap to your face and that’s as powerful as a computer that would have taken up half your living room not so many years ago.

Price is fixed, but value is relative. Let me know what you would happily spend $3500 on and I’m sure someone will tell you it’s a waste of money within 3 replies 😂

 

[AlumaMac]

If it’s too much for you then it’s not for you.

Others will happily pay that and feel they’ve got a good deal considering all the tech, design, engineering and know how that’s gone into a device you can strap to your face and that’s as powerful as a computer that would have taken up half your living room not so many years ago.

Price is fixed, but value is relative. Let me know what you would happily spend $3500 on and I’m sure someone will tell you it’s a waste of money within 3 replies 😂

I don’t spend money on things based on imaginary possibilities that don’t exist.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don’t spend money on things based on imaginary possibilities that don’t exist.

Smart
In tech, in particular, nobody should

 

[sunny5]

Vision Pro is just another VR/AR/MR. Move along.