I am not sure this is an example of a good use case for AVP. One could have easily done all of this without the headset: watch the video on TV while playing with a cat and having a phone or a tablet for messaging. Not only would you have a better experience with all three activities than what AVP can offer but you would not need to strap this thing to your face.
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Fundamental Misunderstanding what AVP is
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They sure used to.
Apple used to be the standard and example setter on how to create first class Apps (Mac apps really ... but on iOS also in the early days).
Now they just completely punt and their own Apps are mediocre at best.
I don’t understand why there’s this palpable frustration with people that choose to spend the money on this item. Is it expensive? Yes, it is. But money and cost are not the only factors when someone chooses to purchase something. If it was, we’d all use Raspberry Pi’s as our personal computers, drive around in glorified bicycles, and live in mud huts with plastic tarps. I get that if you break it down to a spec sheet, there’s features that make sense for the cost and others that don’t, but isn’t it sort of up to the person spending the money to decide what things are important to them and then create their own calculous if the price justifies those things?
I’ve been considering something in the VR/AR space for two years, but I will absolutely never consciously give my money to Facebook/Meta. Their company is fundamentally built on commoditizing personal information. They produce products and consumables, but their business model is to sell access to you and your personal information. Their number one revenue stream is marketing and advertisements. And look, that’s a legitimate business, but my individual purchase calculous puts not participating in that model extremely high so anything Oculus is immediately out. To be clear, I’m not saying any company (even Apple) doesn’t commoditize personal information, that is the reality of the world, but when it is the foundation of your entire company, I don’t want to participate.
For my calculous, it was the seamless apple ecosystem and this ‘spatial computing’ phrase Apple wants to sell.
I am mostly on the Apple ecosystem and that this will work with my other devices, storage, and main online identity account is fairly attractive.
Where the AVP won me over, though, is the ability to work in spaces, regardless of where I’m located. For my job, I really benefit from multiple screens. I have a desk (yes, even a modern standing desk) with multiple monitors where I’m most productive. That said, there are many moments where I want to work somewhere else, and I travel a lot for work which means I have to downsize to the laptop monitor only where I immediately notice how much less I’m able to accomplish. I remember in the launch presentation, the moment they transitioned to working off your MacBook with multiple ‘monitors’ was where I made up my mind.
And hey, It’s first gen product, it’s not going to do everything possible, it’s going to have things that are annoying, and I’m sure when gen 2 or 3 come out, even the first adopters will strongly consider upgrading. I doubt there’s many buying this item, at this moment, are under any delusions otherwise.
And, I am fortunate enough to have a small monthly leftover in my budget that I diverted towards saving for the AVP once it was announced. When the AVP went on presale, I was able to purchase and I never missed the money from my daily life. Could I have spent that somewhere else on something far less expensive? Sure. But you can say the same thing about my apartment, vehicle, or any other infinite items we all buy that someone else wouldn’t because none of our purchase calculations match each others.
I guess what I’m saying is, why are we judging the purchase of this item? You wouldn’t buy it? Okay, that makes sense. It doesn’t hit your priorities so it’s out. But can’t I or anyone else buy it because it matches our calculous? Isn’t that okay?
I’ve been considering something in the VR/AR space for two years, but I will absolutely never consciously give my money to Facebook/Meta. Their company is fundamentally built on commoditizing personal information. They produce products and consumables, but their business model is to sell access to you and your personal information. Their number one revenue stream is marketing and advertisements. And look, that’s a legitimate business, but my individual purchase calculous puts not participating in that model extremely high so anything Oculus is immediately out. To be clear, I’m not saying any company (even Apple) doesn’t commoditize personal information, that is the reality of the world, but when it is the foundation of your entire company, I don’t want to participate.
For my calculous, it was the seamless apple ecosystem and this ‘spatial computing’ phrase Apple wants to sell.
I am mostly on the Apple ecosystem and that this will work with my other devices, storage, and main online identity account is fairly attractive.
Where the AVP won me over, though, is the ability to work in spaces, regardless of where I’m located. For my job, I really benefit from multiple screens. I have a desk (yes, even a modern standing desk) with multiple monitors where I’m most productive. That said, there are many moments where I want to work somewhere else, and I travel a lot for work which means I have to downsize to the laptop monitor only where I immediately notice how much less I’m able to accomplish. I remember in the launch presentation, the moment they transitioned to working off your MacBook with multiple ‘monitors’ was where I made up my mind.
And hey, It’s first gen product, it’s not going to do everything possible, it’s going to have things that are annoying, and I’m sure when gen 2 or 3 come out, even the first adopters will strongly consider upgrading. I doubt there’s many buying this item, at this moment, are under any delusions otherwise.
And, I am fortunate enough to have a small monthly leftover in my budget that I diverted towards saving for the AVP once it was announced. When the AVP went on presale, I was able to purchase and I never missed the money from my daily life. Could I have spent that somewhere else on something far less expensive? Sure. But you can say the same thing about my apartment, vehicle, or any other infinite items we all buy that someone else wouldn’t because none of our purchase calculations match each others.
I guess what I’m saying is, why are we judging the purchase of this item? You wouldn’t buy it? Okay, that makes sense. It doesn’t hit your priorities so it’s out. But can’t I or anyone else buy it because it matches our calculous? Isn’t that okay?
I don’t see why Lamborghinis need to exist either, but I’m not personally offended that people seem to like or be interested in them either.
Food for thought…
Totally agree.
There are too many misconceptions and misunderstandings of what VP is used for.
Too many people compare it to Meta Quest. Don’t get me wrong I love MQ3 as I have one, but it is designed purely for gaming. Yes it can be forced to be used for serious spatial computing, but the hardware is definitely lacking (especially processor) and as such the experience is much worse than AVP.
AVP is by no means perfect. It is after all a first gen product, like first gen iPhone and iPad (I didn’t return my first gen iPhone either and it is now fetching a collectible price). But it is a very polished first gen, more than first gen iphone/ipad. Many industries have been pushing towards digital modelling concepts for many years but the only product than can use it are either too expensive or too clunky. I am talking about construction modelling, prototype design, real estate, aviation training, geology mapping, etc. these are all industries that benefit from spatial computing and have been using that technology for years.
The lack of better hardware is now answered by AVP, and frankly even if you don’t use it for the purposes above, AVP also can still do what MQ3 can with even higher quality display and faster processors. It is not designed purely for one thing or another. The current model will evolve in time and the first people who bought it will be part of its progression.
There are too many misconceptions and misunderstandings of what VP is used for.
Too many people compare it to Meta Quest. Don’t get me wrong I love MQ3 as I have one, but it is designed purely for gaming. Yes it can be forced to be used for serious spatial computing, but the hardware is definitely lacking (especially processor) and as such the experience is much worse than AVP.
AVP is by no means perfect. It is after all a first gen product, like first gen iPhone and iPad (I didn’t return my first gen iPhone either and it is now fetching a collectible price). But it is a very polished first gen, more than first gen iphone/ipad. Many industries have been pushing towards digital modelling concepts for many years but the only product than can use it are either too expensive or too clunky. I am talking about construction modelling, prototype design, real estate, aviation training, geology mapping, etc. these are all industries that benefit from spatial computing and have been using that technology for years.
The lack of better hardware is now answered by AVP, and frankly even if you don’t use it for the purposes above, AVP also can still do what MQ3 can with even higher quality display and faster processors. It is not designed purely for one thing or another. The current model will evolve in time and the first people who bought it will be part of its progression.
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Wasn’t the first iPhone a half-baked tech demo that was allowed to escape from the lab…? You’re right, we should have killed that one off straight away, there’s no way that was ever gonna work, scrap it and move on. Try and look beyond first release products, they’re very rarely resounding successes.
I think you're misunderstanding where the frustration lies.
It is with Apple, not the buyers of AVP.
This is an enormous waste of Apple's precious R&D and dev time and resources... when a lot of us would love updates and refinements to all the other things they make that are just sort of twisting in the wind.
VR has been around for a decade or more. The people you call “haters” aren’t that necessarily but could actually have had many years of experience with VR headsets (like myself). Do not forget that both Google and Samsung made VR headsets YEARS ago and stopped due to the realization of the market and usecase. Apple has yet to show a compelling case as to why the AVP is a “premium” device and costs as much as it does. There is VERY little that separates the AVP from other VR headsets (which cost a FRACTION of the price).
This is a funny perspective in my opinion. I don't see any "palpable frustration" with people who choose to buy Vision Pro. What I see is Vision Pro fans taking any criticism of the device as a personal attack.
Yep you’re hear to join the we won’t try it but dismiss anyone who has and like it crowd. Cheers
Totally fair. I think I was just responding to a sentiment theme of 'here are all the other things you could buy instead, that do a lot of the same things, for less money'
No. Everything I have purchased served a defined purpose at the time of purchase despite whatever future promises were made. I spent 30 years in IT and spent a lot of time weeding through marketing BS so maybe I’m just better at spotting the duds.
No, I replaced my Blackberry with it on launch day. Never missed it… (except the side scrolling wheel).
Apple has always provided the hardware, made it as simple to use for the masses and relied on developers to create the killer apps. We all know how bad Apple are at creating software, it’s not their strong point. Developers can’t develop without devices in the hands and on the heads of millions so it’s a joint venture.
And that turned out well for BlackBerry. Probably a good example of a company that lacked vision and stuck to a product that customers asked for.
Most people haven’t spent 30 years in IT and can’t make those informed choices on every purchase. I’m sure if you’re purchase something that’s outside of your IT expertise then you’re trying to some degree on marketing as you can’t be an expert in all fields for every purchase.
Thanks to the internet I can 😂. And if the product does not meet my expectations it gets returned or dumped on eBay vs sitting in a drawer of misfit devices.
The internet is full of other people’s experiences with those products. Sure, you can compare specs, read reviews etc etc but there’s no guarantee you will like it when it’s in your hands. Sometimes it’s just down to how it makes you feel, which you can’t get if the internet.
Make sense that AVP is not for you then…. You are not an early adaptor type that would like to take risks and like to try new things. Different mind states and type of experience one likes in life.
Certain people seem to have a certain negative feedback or vitriol to something they chose not to buy. It's really weird. If it's not for you cool, live your life. I don't think anyone that did buy it is trying to convince anyone else they NEED to buy it. It seems more likely that some people that chose not to buy it that no one should get it. I bought mine and hopefully it provides the value that I place on the price of the item. I am enjoying the experience and simply sharing what I think is cool about it with others. I don't get paid commission if other people buy it. It literally does not benefit me personally if others do. For those trying to convince others that it's useless for everyone, how does that benefit you?
It’s sad that people can’t be happy for other or simply can’t understand and start throwing cold water on people’s excitements.
Lol, this couldn't be further from the truth. I bought an IBM PCjr with the chiclet keyboard.....and liked it!!
This exactly. The price is relative to the value you’ll get from it and that varies for everyone. Some people may feel an Apple Watch is too much money for them but if you ask any of those that have had their lives saved by one then I’m sure they’ll say it’s been money well spent. The price is the same for all, the value we all get is different.
This comment is a little odd given that you started the thread telling others that they had “a fundamental misunderstanding of what the AVP is”
People aren’t misunderstanding it at all.
They just disagree with you about its usefulness and effectiveness as a product.
All of which is just fine on both sides, I agree with you there
What is the last thing you bought as an early adapter then?
An example from the 80s just show you are no longer one, at least 40 years ago you might have been one. Not sure if that is farther from the truth.