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It won't. And you know it, you would not be here otherwise.

I am always amazed at how plastic the Samsung phones look. Would never buy one. I am not saying I would never buy an android phone but Samsung make crappy looking phones. People seem to have forgotten the 80s, Samsung was terrible then, faking it now.

Older Samsung phones looked like plastic, the S8 definitely looks and feels premium all the way around. I checked one out at Best Buy last weekend, and the build quality felt close to Apple, and the design itself was novel.
 
No they're not Amazon. They are, like everyone says they do, copying Apple. This time it's Apple's marketing tactics being copied. Apple is the king of 'best ever', 'fastest selling', 'most' marketing that leaves out supporting numbers. It's marketing. There's nothing wrong with it.

Apple has great brand image in part because of well earned product experience, but I'd argue they have mediocre marketing. I've been constantly impressed by Samsung's marketing, I usually see it far more often than Apple on TV ads for example, billboards, etc while Apple doesn't seem to care much and puts out few ads, and they are just uninspiring.
 
Like I said before, the only about the S8 that irks me is the fingerprint scanner. I get why Samsung did it but I still hate the location of it
Rumor has it the placement of the fingerprint sensor was a last minute design concession based on two factors: Samsung/Synaptics couldn't reliably make the under glass reader work consistently and the dimensions of the narrow, but tall battery. The fp sensor was basically shoehorned into that location.
 
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It's a beautiful looking digital picture frame.

There is a reason that Apple put Jony in charge of software design. When your phone is nothing but a display, the software is what shines. The software becomes the physical design to a large extent, and the rest of the device fades away. That's why I made the above remark. What now? We've got this big display, but on Android, you've got this kind of cruddy software experience.
 
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'While Samsung did not give specific sales numbers, the company said it saw its "best ever" preorder period.'

Yes they did - they said they had 30% increase in sales?

Anyway, look forward to what Apple might bring to the table. For a few years iPhone has been ahead on every area accept screen. It now has fallen even further behind in terms of screen quality, size, screen/body ratio and resolution. Hopefully the 8 will fix that.
 
Finally got to play with a S8 the other day. Beautiful looking phone- especially the screen. Though, it's still hampered by TouchWiz (I'm assuming) as it was surprisingly slow. Not awful, but did not expect sluggishness on the newest flagship smartphone. Everything else was awesome.
 
Its a great phone, I bought the Plus version. Screen is something else. Battery is great too as well as the camera. Stereo speakers are the only thing it lacks but the single speaker is far from the worst Ive had on a phone.

Yeah im getting the normal version Orchid grey this friday. really cant wait, been waiting for a phone near bezel less small form factor whilst huge screen.

My only next upgrade will be the phone that no only does bezel-less but also has the fingerprint reader under the display. Thats the only thing missing with this phone. My iphone 7 is on eBay already lool
 
Tech media narrative: Samsung bests Apple in design

Reality:

Fall 2016: Samsung releases a phone that literally explodes

Spring 2017: Samsung dedicates a button to its flagship phone for a voice assistant you can’t speak to. Samsung last-minute slaps the fingerprint scanner next to the camera lens because it isn’t able to come up with a better idea on time. Samsung releases a phone with a facial-recognition system that provides zero security. The S8 didn't get better cameras or battery. Dex is a gimmick that is dead in the water.

Is it just me, or is the bar for Apple to clear this year actually lower than ever?
 
Too many problems out the gate with the S8: Terrible rear finger sensor placement, broken and insecure facial unlock. Slow and awkward Iris unlock. No voice assistant due to performance issues. Red-tint display defects. Lower shipped display resolution setting due to battery life and performance issues. Older less secure version of Android...

I'm sure Samsung has a large Ad budget, but these kind of things quickly cause a device to fall out of favor.

I reckon these kinds of things would drive me crazy if I ever switched to a Samsung.

It's easy to think 'both have a fingerprint scanner, I guess they're equal on that front' and then you find out Samsung only lets you save one fingerprint at a time.

Little things like that would continue to disappoint me.
 
Bought this phone the other day. The iris scanner is pretty spot on and fast, and the fingerprint sensor isnt that bad once you get used to it. All in all very impressed and the screen is ridiculous.

Hopefully Apple comes up big in the fall.
 
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Tech media narrative: Samsung bests Apple in design

Reality:

Fall 2016: Samsung releases a phone that literally explodes

Spring 2017: Samsung dedicates a button to its flagship phone for a voice assistant you can’t speak to. Samsung last-minute slaps the fingerprint scanner next to the camera lens because it isn’t able to come up with a better idea on time. Samsung releases a phone with a facial-recognition system that provides zero security. The S8 didn't get better cameras or battery. Dex is a gimmick that is dead in the water.

Is it just me, or is the bar for Apple to clear this year actually lower than ever?

Yes but the uneducated tech press sees the Galaxy s8 and thinks 'that looks different' and sees the iPhone 7 and thinks 'that looks the same', and draws its conclusions from that.
 
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Apple has great brand image in part because of well earned product experience, but I'd argue they have mediocre marketing. I've been constantly impressed by Samsung's marketing, I usually see it far more often than Apple on TV ads for example, billboards, etc while Apple doesn't seem to care much and puts out few ads, and they are just uninspiring.
You're arguing a completely different point than the one I was making. I wasn't arguing if Apple's marketing is the good, the bad, or the ugly. When I stated they were the "kings of", I was specifically talking about being kings of the ambiguous quotes about best sales ever, fastest selling since, biggest opening weekend, etc. all without supporting numbers.

As for what you're talking about, I think Apple's marketing dept is still the best in the biz. That's not to say every ad is the best, but the marketing dept is the best. Marketing goes beyond ads. Apple's marketing strength is in it's ability to get others to inadvertently advertise for them. Movies, TV, video, sports events all showcasing their products - most not even needing paid placement.
 
Tech media narrative: Samsung bests Apple in design

Reality:

Fall 2016: Samsung releases a phone that literally explodes

Spring 2017: Samsung dedicates a button to its flagship phone for a voice assistant you can’t speak to. Samsung last-minute slaps the fingerprint scanner next to the camera lens because it isn’t able to come up with a better idea on time. Samsung releases a phone with a facial-recognition system that provides zero security. The S8 didn't get better cameras or battery. Dex is a gimmick that is dead in the water.

Is it just me, or is the bar for Apple to clear this year actually lower than ever?

you should be happy that Samsung provides competition. Without them, the iphone would still come default with 16gb storage and a 3.5" screen.
 
It is expected since there is essentially no competition for Samsung now.
Budget flagship killer OnePlus 5 arrives later and iPhone 8 (X) will be around September-October.
It makes sense for Samsung to capture thee few months of sales.
 
There is competition, and there's meaningful competition.

Apple probably faces more competition from an older iPhone model than Samsung.
 
... and most fragile ever too! Squaretrade noted it was the first phone ever to crack on both sides during simple drop test.
 
I wonder if, in real world use, Samsung's skin/bloat is better now than it used to be. People seem to say that it is. I have an Nexus phone running stock Android and the experience is terrific, but I haven't used a Galaxy S7 or S8 day-to-day. I do ponder whether the S8 will slow down after six plus months of use.

Interesting to hear your thoughts on the iPhone, seeing that you were originally an Android guy/gal. I haven't been satisfied with iOS since iOS 6. Call me one of those guys "living in the past," if you want, but that was the last bug-free version of iOS that I used. I've encountered numerous visual glitches and bugs from iOS 7 on, and so in my personal experience, I don't find iOS that much smoother than Android. Perhaps no smoother at all. Perhaps I'm holding the iPhone to too high of a standard, as iOS is much more advanced now than it was years ago. With more features come more chances of bugs.

I agree on the Mac integration and Apple Pay performance (I haven't ever used Apple Pay myself, but many here seem to be very pleased with it). Apple's closed system definitely plays to their advantage in those scenarios.

Android guy ;).

I had been an Android user since 2011, broken up by a short stint with Windows Phone. I can say that iOS is much more smoother than every Android version that I had used prior. I don't have any experience with Nougat though. I really haven't had any bugs or issues with iOS, save for the betas having poor battery life at times. It's beta software so I'm not gonna hold that against Apple. I think notifications is the biggest thing that needs to be fixed in iOS really. Beyond that, I can't really find any major glaring issues with it, at least in my usage.

I started getting fed up with Android toward the tail end of my LG G3 usage, and it finally came to a head with the Note 5. I went through 3 replacements and I finally said enough was enough. This was also around the time of the Note 7 debacle, where airlines were prohibiting that phone onboard and even some were making everyone with any Samsung device turn them off. I had a busy travel season coming up, so I decided to trade in my third replacement Note 5 in on a 7 Plus, and thus I completed my Apple integration circle (Mac, iPad Mini and iPhone). It is possible that with Nougat, Android has improved but I'm really enjoying iOS right now. I think I will stick with this for the foreseeable future. iMessage is amazing and I wish Google could come up with a competitor. I didn't realize how good iMessage actually is, until I switched over. The vast majority of the people that I know, have an iPhone, so it makes it easy for me to connect with them due to iMessage. For those who don't, I just use WhatsApp. If I get a second line though, maybe I'll pick up a Galaxy again. The Note 5 burned me though, on Samsung. I'm hoping the S8 line doesn't have any issues, going forward.
 
and if the iPhone 8 does indeed end up costing $1000usd $250 more than the S8 I think it makes sense to at least give it some thought.
 
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Notice how Samsung fanboys are concentrating on looks these days when the iPhone's A10 processor is wiping the floor with the 8 core Snapdragon. Suddenly benchmarks don’t count anymore with them. One the of criticisms of the S8 is its continued lagginess running Android.
 
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They deserve the sales, I saw the S8 in person and it blows away the iPhone 7 in terms of hardware and design

makes my phone look antiquated



most of your issues are just with opening the phone, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill

Opening the phone is perhaps the most important thing a smartphone does. Otherwise it's a brick
 
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