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A lot of code is loaded into memory at boot time when it is needed. This code cannot be modified while the OS is running (obviously). So if part of this code is updated then of course a restart will be required before changes take effect.
Do you think parts of a system can be modified while it's still running?

No way, this sucks. With Tiger I can start downloading and installing updates while I'm working. If say iPhoto is being updated then the updater tells me to quit it before I update it. That screen shot makes it seem that we'll have to close out of all apps, even the finder to start installing updates.

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Even XP lets you do updates in the background while you work.

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Okay, nevermind, that screen shot that shows the restarting part says 'simplified interface if desired' so maybe we won't have to close down all apps when using the old style interface.
 
I think we'll definitely see a UI like the iPhone. Thats the type of "class" everyones been asking for.
It would also be smart to have a unified theme going across multiple devices. Throw it on the iPod as well. It would help bring some people over to the mac side.
 
I think we'll definitely see a UI like the iPhone. Thats the type of "class" everyones been asking for.
It would also be smart to have a unified theme going across multiple devices. Throw it on the iPod as well. It would help bring some people over to the mac side

Hence, Jobs specifically pointing out that it "runs OSX". It could be an extension of the halo effect.
 
No way, this sucks. With Tiger I can start downloading and installing updates while I'm working. If say iPhoto is being updated then the updater tells me to quit it before I update it. That screen shot makes it seem that we'll have to close out of all apps, even the finder to start installing updates.

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Even XP lets you do updates in the background while you work.

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Okay, nevermind, that screen shot that shows the restarting part says 'simplified interface if desired' so maybe we won't have to close down all apps when using the old style interface.

It does say "this installation" as well. Maybe that doesn't apply to other installations. And remember, Leopard isn't finished...
 
Call me crazy, but I miss the pinstripes. :eek:

Same, only pinstripes version I have liked is Tiger's current.

As for the new UI I don't think there will be a black menubar or titlebar no? I doubt it.

It looks more eye catching with white at the top and black at the bottom?

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ThinkSecret need to get some decent serverage. I've been looking (I say looking, I mean 'waiting for them to load') at these screens for half an hour now.

Yeh its dragging its ass for me too. But you got to remember this will attract A LOT of attention, no matter how unimpressive it it :(

I sincerely hope this isnt the way they go. I want something that looks like AppleTVs interface; smooth black and blue stuff.
 
ThinkSecret need to get some decent serverage. I've been looking (I say looking, I mean 'waiting for them to load') at these screens for half an hour now.

I know! I've been waiting about 5 min. (at least) for each picture to load. It's driving me crazy!
 
i think everyone is forgetting the purpose of the developer builds. they are simply to allow developers to begin transitioning their programs to the new OS. they are NOT meant to serve as a preview for what is to come. it seems pretty obvious to me that the GUI of 9a410 is NOT what will appear in the final build. however, creating a universal theme for the system makes it INCREDIBLY EASY for apple to change the entire look at once (ie, when they put out the first external beta at WWDC). it was previously noted that leopard contains a new frameworks folder called themes, which contains an item called aqua. seems to me all they need to do is modify this file and suddenly every application looks different. steve j is NOT trying to tell users what is to come in the leopard GUI, merely setting apple up to completely overhaul the GUI right before leopard is released.

im guessing steve jobs still has more than a few tricks up his sleeve. i personally kind of like the gray GUI, but i can GUARANTEE that it will not be the final product. apple is building up for something big, adding to the anticipation by extending the release time fram (enough to make it annoyingly close, but not so much that customers lose faith... *cough* vista *cough*). at this point, anything less than extraordinary would be a let down, but im putting my bets on apple coming through and delivering. everything apples done this year has indicated that they expect to impress us, like the curious message displayed on their website at the new year ("the first 30 years were just the beginning. welcome to 2007"), or like the little GUI changes that pop up here and there seem to just be hinting at something big to come.

so, i repeat: this is NOT the final GUI. apple is famous for company secrecy, did anyone really think they'd give away the details of the upcoming GUI 6 months before release?

october will be a good month...
 
The vast amount of bugs is definitely a sign that the Mac OS X team is working on something complicated. Lots of bugs means the build was rushed out, in my opinion.

Leopard is going to be a huge milestone. Heck, they are given until October to complete it. Now that's a lot of time, 2.5 years. They've never spent this much time on any 10.x operating system before.

The new GUI is a placeholder in my opinion, it doesn't match anything and doesn't take advantage of any Core Animation. Something's coming. Hopefully we'll see in June.
 
doesn't take advantage of any Core Animation. Something's coming.


This is the key right here. Right now its limited to Time Machine and a few other bits. You just know that Apple have a bag of Core Animation tricks up their sleeves.
 
so the new operating system should be phonetically called:
OS Ten Eleven?


Opps!!! My bad... :) Skip the 10 thing...

Apple should kill the 10 thing, and go OS XI

This one should go to ELEVEN!!!:eek:
 

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I'm gonna do this once.And only once.So look while you can because it will be gone in five minutes.

The "HUD" arrows is for full screen view..

And to answer another persons question about QuickLOOK ( NOT View ) it does have a thumbnail generator..for ANY Document.

Here :
 
I'm gonna do this once.And only once.So look while you can because it will be gone in five minutes.

The "HUD" arrows is for full screen view..

And to answer another persons question about QuickLOOK ( NOT View ) it does have a thumbnail generator..for ANY Document.

Here :

can you play each of those movies in QuickLook? Or is it just a thumbnail image?
 
I'm gonna do this once.And only once.So look while you can because it will be gone in five minutes.

The "HUD" arrows is for full screen view..

And to answer another persons question about QuickLOOK ( NOT View ) it does have a thumbnail generator..for ANY Document.

Here :

Wow, you were pretty scathing with the other person who originally posted screenshots the other day.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Yes you can.In the same quicklook window

you can leave the quicklook window open and go from file to file or directory to directory and it will change.


Thanks. Can it be triggered with a keyboard shortcut? Or do you have to press the button.
 
How is having a browser with tabs any better then having multiple windows open?

Tabs are great when they represent my organization.

Were I unable to make more than a single browser window, and required to place all pages in tabs in a single window ... man, that would suck. Kinda like Entourage really sucks for trying to manage email and calendaring at the same time.

As for app-app integration: that's what AppleScript and more generally apple events exist for. Just because apps are living in separate processes doesn't mean they need to be completely separate either.

IMHO, I enjoy having iCal and Mail well separated. A simple AppleScript will move an email message into an iCal event just like you say Outlook does (although I find it amusing that both Outlook and Entourage rely on scripts for this action instead of having a built-in mechanism just for that action which seems to be its whole raison d'etre). Moreover, I find it highly infuriating in Entourage to be viewing an invitation to a meeting and be asked to accept/decline the invitation, but without seeing what's on the calendar at that same time. I mean, you'd think an integrated app would be able to just give me a simple button that says "show proposed meeting in calendar" prior to me "accepting" it.

So, maybe there is something to the integration of the apps, but Entourage and Outlook certainly aren't doing it. And, if Microsoft's resources can't get integrated apps working right after over a decade of development, it makes it seem less likely that it ever will really live up to the promise.

Other beefs: Entourage's unified database is constantly corrupting itself, messing up my emails, my calendars, and my contacts. I'd rather flaky MS code only affect one of those three!
 
Not sure if anyone's asked this yet, but why is the "To Do" function in Mail and not iCal??

I think the "To Do" is system wide, so To Dos that you enter in Mail will appear in To Dos in iCal and visa versa. Means you don't need to keep opening up one or other application just to see the To Dos. Also you can make an email into a todo which is rather good. So if someone emails you saying I need this, this and this done then you can quickly and easily create To Dos based on the email.

Steve previewed this way back at the WWDC or whatever it was first previewed at

See here
Apple.com said:
Forget manually entering a new item to your to-do list every time an email hits your inbox. With Mail for Leopard, simply click an email or note to create a new To-Do. Include a due date, an alarm, or assign priorities. To-Dos you create in Mail automagically appear in iCal, complete with any edits or additions you make.
 
I think the "To Do" is system wide, so To Dos that you enter in Mail will appear in To Dos in iCal and visa versa. Means you don't need to keep opening up one or other application just to see the To Dos. Also you can make an email into a today which is rather good. So if someone emails you saying I need this, this and this done then you can quickly and easily create To Dos based on the email.

I also remember Steve saying this feature will be incorporated into Safari. If you see an event that interests you, highlight it and add to your To Do List.
It would be a very useful feature and something I definitely need.
 
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