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Game of Thrones Season 2

Happybunny said:
If you think that there is too much tit and ass in GoT, you would blow a gasket, if you watched our TV in the Netherlands.:D
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Just wondering if it represents the books well. I'd rather spend more screen time watching the show that I like rather than the "extras" that do nothing for the story. There is a time and place for everything.

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Zombie Acorn said:
Watch the second season of Spartacus and then you won't even notice.
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That's the reason why I stopped watching it. It was clear it had about a sentence-worth of story and many "forced" scenes of nudity, just to get it in. It's a sign of poor quality.
 
The show is rated MA for a reason. If you can't concentrate on the story due to the nudity, then pause it and 'exucse' yourself for five minutes and take care of business.
 
ristlin said:
I don't mind the occasional nipple, but I thought Game of Thrones in season 2 went a little overboard. I don't think there is a single actress we haven't seen shed her clothes as if Winter isn't coming.

For anyone who has read the books, is this really what happens?

Thoughts, concerns, opinions?
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You clearly haven't seen Spartacus
 
So i've been watching GoT...

I have been reading the first book and watching the show, I really like the setting and story but it does things that every HBO show does which I loathe. Pointless Nudity.

Lets go to the first episode shall we? The whole scene with that imp guy (cant remember his name, Tyrian or something) hanging out with the prostitues, what exactly was the point of that scene? I know he was discussing something with his brother but I just assumed it to be idle chit chat, and I don't remember that scene in the book.

Next is the scene where the blonde chicks (Daenyurs or whatever) is having her brother inspect her for Kharl Drogo. I understood this scene and it happened in the book but what was the point of the scene carrying on for another 30 seconds having her slowly walk up the stairs fully nude with the camera focusing on her ass? Keep in mind this character is 12 in the book. At first I thought this was a suicide attempt because one of the women says it is too hot to bathe.

Finally the ending, where it shows the brother and sister having sex. I understood why this scene existed so I really won't question it. But just in little snippts of episodes I have watched there seems to be pointless nudity all over the place.

Just my thoughts.
 
Nudity doesn't frighten me.


I just don't see a need for pointless nudity, its just an excuse to show someone naked, it serves no purpose to the plot and doesn't tell us anything about the characters.

And don't even start the argument "Sex is bad, but beheading is ok" Because it isn't. I don't like pointless violence either. For instance, in MW3 where that family gets blown up, completely pointless and was thrown in for no other reason than shock value.

The scene between the brother and sister in Game of Thrones told us a lot about the characters. The scene that focused on an ass for 30 minutes told me nothing.
 
I don't see the point in getting upset about nudity. Although, there it definitely something to be said about the differential depictions of male/female nudity and the simultaneous messages of sex as commodity/obscenity.
 
Right now I think Spartacus is one of my favorite shows, but I agree some scenes do go a little further than normal. Those orgy scenes with a girl with a strap-on behind a man? Hehe, I know it happens in real world, but I'm sure those kind of scenes might cost them some rating.

Anyways, Game of Thrones is much less sexual than Spartacus. Sadly, for me the series are dead. Not because of sex, but because of the lack of action. The first season was so much better. Also, the last two books were such a let down for me that I really lost interest in the TV Show.

I'm not sure how much it affects rating using frequent sex scenes (with nudity). For example, I loved The Tudors. And I must accept, seeing beautiful women nude in the show was something that increased my attention, but the acting overall was so good, that even if it was PG-13 I would still watch them. But I know my mom and other persons didn't want to see the show because of the sex scenes.

Sometimes I do feel, specially in movies, that they use completely unnecessary sex scenes. I know, sex sells. But it surely isn't the best of ways to sell, at least not for every movie.
 
Anyway, are we arguing that the nudity/sex in Game of Thrones is pointless... a show based on a series of books for which a major story point is that brotherly/sisterly incest is the reason for a massive war ?

No seriously. If it wasn't for the hair on the head of Tommen and Joeffrey, there wouldn't even have been a big part of the story (*SPOILERS* Jon Aryn wouldn't have died for investigating the king's bastards and finding out the truth, Eddard wouldn't have been named hand and much less gotten in the same mess, Stanis wouldn't be walking on King's Landing because Robert wouldn't have been slain by Lannister's plotting, etc.. etc..).
 
ristlin said:
I never said I didn't like it. Just that between getting more of the stuff that I like about Game of Thrones and more nipple, I'd rather get more of the stuff that I like (violence/story!). Then again, the show is so good that I don't mind most of the time. And I do admit, every time a cute new princess/priestess/queen shows up I can't help but wonder...:D
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Emphasis mine.

I don't understand this thirst for violence (some of the violence in this show has made me feel a little sick, to the point where I've had to take a break) and the attitude that to me says "its so bad that I want to see people naked, but I do quite like it, I'll feel guilty about wanting it"

I can appreciate some good full frontal nudity and to be honest, my main issue with it is when it seems to disrupt the flow of the show (so far, this hasn't happened) and that all full frontal nudity, with the exception of Hodor, has been of conventionally attractive people. It does leave a taste of fanservice in the mouth. That said the romantic scenes between Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell were beautifully and tastefully handled, albeit with frustratingly more discretion than Petyr Baelish instructing the two new prostitutes in loving a woman.

So in conclusion, I don't see an issue with Game of Thrones attitude, other than it hasn't committed to its position enough.
 
Lostanddamned said:
That said the romantic scenes between Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell were beautifully and tastefully handled, albeit with frustratingly more discretion than Petyr Baelish instructing the two new prostitutes in loving a woman.
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If you've read the books, you'd know the Renly/Loras scenes were forced in there. Those scenes are not canon, they were added to probably appease to the gay demographic. In the books, the relationship is always just rumored or talked about in jest, it is never consummed.

The show is not exactly following the novels, but you can't expect it to. I just found that the Renly/Loras relationship in the books was much better handled in what is probably a very conservative society (medieval society based on strong family ties and bloodlines).
 
Lostanddamned said:
Emphasis mine.

I don't understand this thirst for violence (some of the violence in this show has made me feel a little sick, to the point where I've had to take a break) and the attitude that to me says "its so bad that I want to see people naked, but I do quite like it, I'll feel guilty about wanting it"

I can appreciate some good full frontal nudity and to be honest, my main issue with it is when it seems to disrupt the flow of the show (so far, this hasn't happened) and that all full frontal nudity, with the exception of Hodor, has been of conventionally attractive people. It does leave a taste of fanservice in the mouth. That said the romantic scenes between Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell were beautifully and tastefully handled, albeit with frustratingly more discretion than Petyr Baelish instructing the two new prostitutes in loving a woman.

So in conclusion, I don't see an issue with Game of Thrones attitude, other than it hasn't committed to its position enough.
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My hope is that they continue walking this fine line. I would hate for them to "give up" due to the difficulties that accompany shooting from a good script. Also, I wish HBO would upload the show onto iTunes a lot faster. I don't have TV or cable and have no choice but to find alternate means to watch it until its released on iTunes.
 
I seriously haven't notice that much sex scenes on season 2, the first season maybe. Either way, I'm an adult I can deal with it.
 
Since the show is the condensed version of the book, especially for Season 2, I've decided that I enjoy watching the show first and will hold off on reading the third book until after I've seen the 3rd season. For myself, watching Season 2 and knowing what happens all ready is not as fun as wondering what will happen next.

Of not this is not always the case. Sometimes I prefer reading the book first.

The first season was very true to the book. The second season although condensed version of the book, maintains the major themes. There is so much going on, so many sub plots that there is no way they could have fit it all in a single HBO season. For example: spoiler>> the Red Witch used her skills two times in the book to birth a demon to slaughter King Stanis's adversaries, but you get the idea. I also noted in the show that Daerney's dragons were never stolen and the council of Qarth was not murdered by the House of the Undieing. Frankly I don't know why they felt this was necessary in the show. As I recall, she went to the warlocks in the House of the Undieing to receive their wisdom. <<spoiler
 
ristlin said:
I don't mind the occasional nipple, but I thought Game of Thrones in season 2 went a little overboard. I don't think there is a single actress we haven't seen shed her clothes as if Winter isn't coming.

For anyone who has read the books, is this really what happens?

Thoughts, concerns, opinions?
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The "overdone" threshold is different for everyone. I have no problem with bare bosoms and sexual encounters. They tend to wake me up. ;) I've always enjoyed sexual content in a show like this unless it becomes the primary focus, detracting from the story. However I acknowledge it can be overdone as in say, True Blood, where there was an abundance of gay sex. Again, that is personal preference. :)

From: George R.R. Martin, “The Hand Behind the Throne” by Gavin Edwards, Rolling Stone #1157, May 24, 2012:
Some people criticize the "sexposition" on the show- but your books have plenty of sex. Do you ever take heat for that?

“You can write the most detailed, vivid description of an ax entering a skull, and nobody will say a word in protest. But if you write a similarly detailed description of a penis entering a vagina, you get letters from people saying they’ll never read you again. What the hell? Penises entering vaginas bring a lot more joy into the world than axes entering skulls.”
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I've always been critical in the U.S. of the acceptance of violence, in some cases extreme violence, but not sex when it comes to what young adults can or should not be watching.

Lostanddamned said:
That said the romantic scenes between Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell were beautifully and tastefully handled, albeit with frustratingly more discretion than Petyr Baelish instructing the two new prostitutes in loving a woman.
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I admit it took some time from the story but I could appreciate it. For some reason my wife did not appreciate it, although this is one of the few shows she's committed to. ;) There was a scene from Season 1 with Viserys Targaryen in a hot tub with a girl that also woke me up. :)
 
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Watched Season 1 having bought it on iTunes
Pretty much have lost interest in seeing Season 2 when it is available

If you haven't read the books, the show might be good in some respects
Having read the books, the show is quite disappointing for me

The choices of actors are pretty good, and sets are impressive at times
But the choices of what to show and what to leave out are not ones I would have made
And some of the story lines are complete fabrications for TV

Yes, there is sex and violence in the books
But I never viewed the sex in the books to be blatantly gratuitous like the TV show
The sex in the TV show seems detached from the story to the point it is almost a sexual intermission

To each his own
 
malman89 said:
It's HBO - they can do whatever they want. Is it even rated R? Shows don't follow movie ratings. I would suspect the DVDs are NR if anything.
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That's it really--both Showtime and HBO do this because--they can. They don't have to please anyone expect their subscribers and are not interested in taming down a rating like most movie production companies demand. It really is one of the defining differences between premium services and broadcast--or even basic cable. I would guess most content would get a NC-17 rating if rated--but they are not rated.
 
I don't mind all the sex and/or nudity. It isn't excessive or unnecessary, it is used in the scenes appropriately.

I will say though that nearly every woman on the show has gone topless.
 
Huntn said:
Since the show is the condensed version of the book, especially for Season 2, I've decided that I enjoy watching the show first and will hold off on reading the third book until after I've seen the 3rd season. For myself, watching Season 2 and knowing what happens all ready is not as fun as wondering what will happen next.

Of not this is not always the case. Sometimes I prefer reading the book first.

The first season was very true to the book. The second season although condensed version of the book, maintains the major themes. There is so much going on, so many sub plots that there is no way they could have fit it all in a single HBO season. For example: spoiler>>snip<<spoiler
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There's been so many things - major things - changed, omitted, or straight made up in Season 2 compared to Book 2 that I've almost given up on the show. I mean, I have nothing else to do after work on Monday but watch GoT and Mad Men from Sunday, but if I had something else to watch, I would. It's so bad. Season 1 was perfect imo. Season 2 utter crap.

In other news, I managed to be behind Season 2 in terms of the books (just finished book 1 after season 2 started airing) to being on the 5th book. Just about a hundred pages into it. Love them.
 
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