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Gamers - I got my 15" Retina $2799 - Have questions?
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Probably some residual nVidia hatred from the dreaded 8x00m debacle. I was so annoyed I wouldn't buy any nVidia equipped machine since that happened.
I'll wait and see how this one works before I pass judgement on the 650m.
Cheers,
Their tests used anti-aliasing which renders them useless. Anti-aliasing is not necessary at this pixel density and it destroys the performance because of the high resolution.
Not a comment on the 650m itself, but rather on notebookcheck's "classes" of GPUs. Just so others are aware, this class system that they use is of their own design and is not an accepted standard anywhere else.
There's not a defined standard for what makes a GPU a class 1. Rather, it is just an arbitrary comparison to other available GPUs at the current time.
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Is it common practice for the verge to use AA on all their tests? I only ask because I don't see where they stated that they had AA turned on.
Yes, I qualified for the student upgrade too. All in all, I'm very happy with my $2150.92 purchase. Doubly happy since I should be able to sell my old one for almost that much.
I think too many people try to compare the specs of this card to something like an Alienware M18xR2, or a Clevo box. And when you look at the analysis, it goes something like this:
2011 Macbook Pro (Radeon 6750m): 3dMark Vantage Score: @6000
2012 Retina MBP (Ge Force 650m): Estimated Vantage Score @10000
2012 Alienware M18R2 (Dual Radeon 7970 in XFire): Vantage Score: 36000
The problem with the comparison is that right out of the gate, we're talking about an 18.4" notebook that weighs about 15 pounds with its power adapter, and works for about 45 minutes on battery. This config with with equivalent specs is about 3400.00. And the laptop is about 2 inches thick, to deal with thermals.
This notebook is basically useless. Its not a portable system at all, its a desktop system, because frankly you never take it anywhere. I know, Ive had two different M17's that never left my house.
The Macbook Pro is a system that can go anywhere, includes SSD 6G, 8 gigs of ram with Ivy Bridge and a class 1 video card for 2199.00
Bring the new 2880x1800 display in to the equation and it makes the M18 look like some kind of ridiculous monstrosity.
2011 Macbook Pro (Radeon 6750m): 3dMark Vantage Score: @6000
2012 Retina MBP (Ge Force 650m): Estimated Vantage Score @10000
2012 Alienware M18R2 (Dual Radeon 7970 in XFire): Vantage Score: 36000
The problem with the comparison is that right out of the gate, we're talking about an 18.4" notebook that weighs about 15 pounds with its power adapter, and works for about 45 minutes on battery. This config with with equivalent specs is about 3400.00. And the laptop is about 2 inches thick, to deal with thermals.
This notebook is basically useless. Its not a portable system at all, its a desktop system, because frankly you never take it anywhere. I know, Ive had two different M17's that never left my house.
The Macbook Pro is a system that can go anywhere, includes SSD 6G, 8 gigs of ram with Ivy Bridge and a class 1 video card for 2199.00
Bring the new 2880x1800 display in to the equation and it makes the M18 look like some kind of ridiculous monstrosity.
I think too many people try to compare the specs of this card to something like an Alienware M18xR2, or a Clevo box. And when you look at the analysis, it goes something like this:
2011 Macbook Pro (Radeon 6750m): 3dMark Vantage Score: @6000
2012 Retina MBP (Ge Force 650m): Estimated Vantage Score @10000
2012 Alienware M18R2 (Dual Radeon 7970 in XFire): Vantage Score: 36000
The problem with the comparison is that right out of the gate, we're talking about an 18.4" notebook that weighs about 15 pounds with its power adapter, and works for about 45 minutes on battery. This config with with equivalent specs is about 3400.00. And the laptop is about 2 inches thick, to deal with thermals.
This notebook is basically useless. Its not a portable system at all, its a desktop system, because frankly you never take it anywhere. I know, Ive had two different M17's that never left my house.
The Macbook Pro is a system that can go anywhere, includes SSD 6G, 8 gigs of ram with Ivy Bridge and a class 1 video card for 2199.00
Bring the new 2880x1800 display in to the equation and it makes the M18 look like some kind of ridiculous monstrosity.
I'm comparing it to 1080p laptops with a 660M.. which is in the ballpark.
In the verge retina MBP review video where the guy is fiddling with the Diablo display settings and turning it up to 2880x1900, he does have AA enabled. Which of course would be the wrong thing to do with a display like this.
Of course this doesn't really prove that they had AA turned on during the test.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1386797/
U actually dont need huge dpi scaling 125% seems enough
guys do you think you can turn down the res in windows 7 without it looking bad in games? i heard the osx side has "scaling" which reduces the res but still matins native quality. So for example running BF3 in windows 7 at say 720p.
It wont look bad.
Its not like apple is pixel doubling when you play d3. If you know what i mean. That would be extremely bad, and take a hit on performance. However apps like safari, mail etc, does this.
Problem is, it seems there is no way to get working boot camp with the new mbp. Or you can with 302.71 drivers from nvidia. But ye, we will have to wait.
But for your question there is no difference playing cs source for example at 720p on osx side vs windows. Only thing is you get better performance on the windows side.
Its not like apple is pixel doubling when you play d3. If you know what i mean. That would be extremely bad, and take a hit on performance. However apps like safari, mail etc, does this.
Problem is, it seems there is no way to get working boot camp with the new mbp. Or you can with 302.71 drivers from nvidia. But ye, we will have to wait.
But for your question there is no difference playing cs source for example at 720p on osx side vs windows. Only thing is you get better performance on the windows side.
This seems to be the only active thread right now with someone having a 2.6Ghz model of MBPR. Would it be a problem to check a few websites to see if it exhibits a scrolling lag, like 2.3 model seems to? Itunes store page is a good example/clear offender too.
Ok, I got FED UP with the lack of updates with REAL information. I just bought the low end one. It rocks.
Diablo 3, all on OSX:
2011 i7 11" MBA: full screen, 800x600 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON, I barely get even 20 dps when in a firefight in act 3 or 4. It often goes to 14!
2012 i7 11" MBA: full screen, 1024x640 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON: it doesn't feel much better - the max frames go to 55 or so in act 4 but I end up having them STILL drop down to 18 in a firefight.
2009 i7 27" iMac: full screen, 1650x1050 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON, this is mostly quite usable. I get no lower than 45 in single player. When in multiplayer with a barbarian doing whirlwind or other major effects, it STILL goes as low as 20 fps!!!
2012 Retina MacBook Pro, 1440x900, textures high, shadows off, physics low, clutter high, anti aliasing OFF, low effects OFF, I get over 100 fps in single player, even in big firefights. YES, I could crank things higher, what I was after was to FINALLY have a set up where I didn't lag at all even when things got crazy. So far this looks good. I'm going to try some multiplayer momentarily and report back.
Diablo 3, all on OSX:
2011 i7 11" MBA: full screen, 800x600 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON, I barely get even 20 dps when in a firefight in act 3 or 4. It often goes to 14!
2012 i7 11" MBA: full screen, 1024x640 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON: it doesn't feel much better - the max frames go to 55 or so in act 4 but I end up having them STILL drop down to 18 in a firefight.
2009 i7 27" iMac: full screen, 1650x1050 textures low, shadow off, physics low, clutter off, anti aliasing off, low effects ON, this is mostly quite usable. I get no lower than 45 in single player. When in multiplayer with a barbarian doing whirlwind or other major effects, it STILL goes as low as 20 fps!!!
2012 Retina MacBook Pro, 1440x900, textures high, shadows off, physics low, clutter high, anti aliasing OFF, low effects OFF, I get over 100 fps in single player, even in big firefights. YES, I could crank things higher, what I was after was to FINALLY have a set up where I didn't lag at all even when things got crazy. So far this looks good. I'm going to try some multiplayer momentarily and report back.
Ok, did some multiplayer testing. Just to see a sort of "worst case" scenario, I did it WHILE the mac is downloading and installing apps from the app store. It was installing final cut pro while I was in multiplayer. The framerate was hovering around the mid 90's for the most part with spikes up as high as 110 during "easy" stuff. During a major firefight, I -never- saw the framerate drop below 79. I'll report more later, but for now, I think I've got a configuration that will keep me from dropping into the dreaded sub-30 framerate area.
Thanks for the info (and of course thanks too to the OP).
Something I'd be really interested in is how far you can tune *up* the graphics detail and effects without dropping below 30 fps.
I think too many people try to compare the specs of this card to something like an Alienware M18xR2, or a Clevo box. And when you look at the analysis, it goes something like this:
2011 Macbook Pro (Radeon 6750m): 3dMark Vantage Score: @6000
2012 Retina MBP (Ge Force 650m): Estimated Vantage Score @10000
2012 Alienware M18R2 (Dual Radeon 7970 in XFire): Vantage Score: 36000
The problem with the comparison is that right out of the gate, we're talking about an 18.4" notebook that weighs about 15 pounds with its power adapter, and works for about 45 minutes on battery. This config with with equivalent specs is about 3400.00. And the laptop is about 2 inches thick, to deal with thermals.
This notebook is basically useless. Its not a portable system at all, its a desktop system, because frankly you never take it anywhere. I know, Ive had two different M17's that never left my house.
The Macbook Pro is a system that can go anywhere, includes SSD 6G, 8 gigs of ram with Ivy Bridge and a class 1 video card for 2199.00
Bring the new 2880x1800 display in to the equation and it makes the M18 look like some kind of ridiculous monstrosity.
I don't disagree with your M18x comment, but just to paint a more accurate picture, I actually picked up my M18x for around 2100 after taxes, which came with 580M SLI. Dells have coupons, and the sales rep have flexibility in discounts. I actually ended up returning it since it was so large.
Will g75vw run on MAC OS Mountain Lion
its not problematic that he thinks that you can get best value on pcs, its problematic that he considers the g75vw a gaming machine. The 670m is just candle when compared to the 680m and 7970m
This is the performance on the 6750M overclocked to 800/1000Mhz with Ati Tray Tools and latest catalyst drivers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQNAiyFdIlI&feature=plcp
if the 650m can do better than that, then i am sold. but i heard the rmbp has no support for windows drivers yet, nor bootcamp partition.
remember when the GT330M was king and then Ati came and people were like ''oh the 6750m destroys the gt330'' and now its the reverse opposite. i was never an aTI fan, and for trolls information (before you start the flame war) i have had every single macbook pro since the beggining, so **** in advance cause i tried the ati x1600, the nvidia 9600gt, the gt330 and the 6750m.
from exp, the best gpu i have had in a laptop was the ati 6750m.
So i really want to know whatsup with the gt650m
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQNAiyFdIlI&feature=plcp
if the 650m can do better than that, then i am sold. but i heard the rmbp has no support for windows drivers yet, nor bootcamp partition.
remember when the GT330M was king and then Ati came and people were like ''oh the 6750m destroys the gt330'' and now its the reverse opposite. i was never an aTI fan, and for trolls information (before you start the flame war) i have had every single macbook pro since the beggining, so **** in advance cause i tried the ati x1600, the nvidia 9600gt, the gt330 and the 6750m.
from exp, the best gpu i have had in a laptop was the ati 6750m.
So i really want to know whatsup with the gt650m
Welp, since you seem to have taken over the testing. If you have Parallels Desktop 7, could you tell us how a game around Skyrim level would run on it?
Just so I am clear, I assume you mean -IN- a firefight? Or do you mean while just walking around in town?
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I'm sorry, but I have neither parallels nor skyrim.
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I'm sorry, but I have neither parallels nor skyrim.
umm just curious, can you install a trial of photoshop cs6, see, what it looks like if its usable?
Your definition of great differs from my own.
On mine, setting it to that resolution results in MAJOR screen issues (artifacts)!
I did, however do some testing in multiplayer at 1680x1050 with everythign turned to maximum. It seems to NEVER drop below 34 fps, and it looks REALLY good. I'm going to try using this for a while and see if it eventually has issues or not.
On mine, setting it to that resolution results in MAJOR screen issues (artifacts)!
I did, however do some testing in multiplayer at 1680x1050 with everythign turned to maximum. It seems to NEVER drop below 34 fps, and it looks REALLY good. I'm going to try using this for a while and see if it eventually has issues or not.