Unless your neighbors are only one house away (not two houses), you are going to reach many folks. The FCC would make sure of that.
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GarageBand, Mini iPods, Xserve... Tomorrow?
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Unless your neighbors are only one house away (not two houses), you are going to reach many folks. The FCC would make sure of that.
I think jMc is has probably got it right here
However, I predict this will be integrated with the predicted consumer audio app (iLogic) and possibly with iTunesProducer, making it an all-in-one solution for amature musicians to get their product on line.
So anyone with a quiet room, a few microphones and a mac will be able to produce home-made CDs, market themselves on-line, and, hopefully, allow access to their music through an extension of the iTMS interface.
The only problem I see with this is it certainly puts Apple in violation of it's agreement with Apple Corps. I can only hope that Apple Legal has sorted that out.
Cheers
However, I predict this will be integrated with the predicted consumer audio app (iLogic) and possibly with iTunesProducer, making it an all-in-one solution for amature musicians to get their product on line.
So anyone with a quiet room, a few microphones and a mac will be able to produce home-made CDs, market themselves on-line, and, hopefully, allow access to their music through an extension of the iTMS interface.
The only problem I see with this is it certainly puts Apple in violation of it's agreement with Apple Corps. I can only hope that Apple Legal has sorted that out.
Cheers
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Wow, what a good discovery and odd coincidence! I don't know a whole lot about copyright law, but I think Apple would have some problems, not the website. Just a quick look and I see apparently the site's been around since 1999.
http://www.garageband.com/news/changelog.html
According to them, "With the loss of MP3.com, Garageband emerges as the largest source of free music on the web and remains the largest community of independent musicians."
If GarageBand the application is really what people have been speculating, Apple would be an obvious competitor to this site, and using a name that's been used for several years. Hmm...
We can only Hope :<
i ll put the moamin' at the bottom.
we can only hope that the xserve will on 2,2 2,4 and 2,6 ghz. (for example)
that way they ll leave some lower numbers for a power mac g5 update to follow soon (in the next 2 month)
like:
1,8 ghz dual
2,0 ghz dual
2,2 ghz dual
or
2,0 ghz dual,
2,2 ghz dual,
2,4 ghz dual.
out of marketing reasons i would not push the desktop (or workstation) class system higher than the server system (even if i know that mhzs is myth and that in the server biz its room*power*price/security*performance (hope i didnt forget anything - power includes heat) )
there are still many more or less stupid server admins out (else they would never buy p4 servers ;p) so i must be right.
if i were a bit dumper than i already am i would not buy a 2,2 ghz xServe if the dual g5 workstation system had already 2,6 ghz
or do you think this all is rubbish
and here my moams
[bloak]
i mean - i wanted to buy a damn 2ghz, but with 3 years warrenty + bluetooth + 9800 radeon + 250gb hd disk (one disk), - modem, - student rebate i still was at something between 3700 and 4000 euros (nah i dont like $ ;p)
and then they brought the 1,8 dualy, and i thought okay an 9600 will do it - will upgrade in a year or so - and then i was at a price i would have been able to pay - but the money was given out...
bad bad idea do release such a bad mid and low end model at the beginning.
would have released the 1,8ghz single, radeon 9000 or nv56xx with dvd/cdrw at the low end.
but well - enough moaming in very bad english ;p
[/bloak]
so what do you say - will they release a rev b of the g5 before summer - i really badly want one - and i dont want to wait for the 3ghz which will have bugs for sure again (like freezing bugs, overheating harddisks, and what ever you can think of,... you might remember, but well thats natural for new products, maybe it wont be that worth when they switch from the power4+ to the power5+ derivation)
i ll put the moamin' at the bottom.
we can only hope that the xserve will on 2,2 2,4 and 2,6 ghz. (for example)
that way they ll leave some lower numbers for a power mac g5 update to follow soon (in the next 2 month)
like:
1,8 ghz dual
2,0 ghz dual
2,2 ghz dual
or
2,0 ghz dual,
2,2 ghz dual,
2,4 ghz dual.
out of marketing reasons i would not push the desktop (or workstation) class system higher than the server system (even if i know that mhzs is myth and that in the server biz its room*power*price/security*performance (hope i didnt forget anything - power includes heat) )
there are still many more or less stupid server admins out (else they would never buy p4 servers ;p) so i must be right.
if i were a bit dumper than i already am i would not buy a 2,2 ghz xServe if the dual g5 workstation system had already 2,6 ghz
or do you think this all is rubbish
and here my moams
[bloak]
i mean - i wanted to buy a damn 2ghz, but with 3 years warrenty + bluetooth + 9800 radeon + 250gb hd disk (one disk), - modem, - student rebate i still was at something between 3700 and 4000 euros (nah i dont like $ ;p)
and then they brought the 1,8 dualy, and i thought okay an 9600 will do it - will upgrade in a year or so - and then i was at a price i would have been able to pay - but the money was given out...
bad bad idea do release such a bad mid and low end model at the beginning.
would have released the 1,8ghz single, radeon 9000 or nv56xx with dvd/cdrw at the low end.
but well - enough moaming in very bad english ;p
[/bloak]
so what do you say - will they release a rev b of the g5 before summer - i really badly want one - and i dont want to wait for the 3ghz which will have bugs for sure again (like freezing bugs, overheating harddisks, and what ever you can think of,... you might remember, but well thats natural for new products, maybe it wont be that worth when they switch from the power4+ to the power5+ derivation)
Agree/Disagree
I agree with you that Apple will NOT make a PDA. I disagree with your reasoning. People seem to forget the MP3 player market was small and stagnent when Apple entered the game. Reinventing a market is just as good as creating one. In fact, looking at a dead market and creating a product that can blow the competition away, epspecially if it's incredibly different is sometimes a safer bet than creating a brand new market or even jumping into a fast growing one.
When Apple created the iPod, it wasn't just an mp3 player, it was the world's easiest to use, no instructions needed, small, stylish mp3 player.
I think that there is enough of a market for people who want to mix their own music to create an express version of Soundtrack. Your 'average joe' might want to create a 'unique' piece of music to accompany their wedding cd, or their vacation photos (using iPhoto slide show).
Apple isn't really about creating new markets (anymore), they are in the business of reinventing them.
I agree with you that Apple will NOT make a PDA. I disagree with your reasoning. People seem to forget the MP3 player market was small and stagnent when Apple entered the game. Reinventing a market is just as good as creating one. In fact, looking at a dead market and creating a product that can blow the competition away, epspecially if it's incredibly different is sometimes a safer bet than creating a brand new market or even jumping into a fast growing one.
When Apple created the iPod, it wasn't just an mp3 player, it was the world's easiest to use, no instructions needed, small, stylish mp3 player.
I think that there is enough of a market for people who want to mix their own music to create an express version of Soundtrack. Your 'average joe' might want to create a 'unique' piece of music to accompany their wedding cd, or their vacation photos (using iPhoto slide show).
Apple isn't really about creating new markets (anymore), they are in the business of reinventing them.
That would be my guess too.
Remember, Final Cut Pro didn't include SoundTrack when Final Cut Express 1.0 was released. As the first FCE release since FCP 4.0, it is quite likely that something along the lines of SoundTrack will be included in FCE 2.0.
Garageband.com is registered as a trademark by this website, and Garage Band is registered by Apple. Interesting.
Re: My guess: GB not a mass-market product
Of course it's not a "mass-market" application, the mass market isn't in a band creating music. It would however, cater to a niche of hobbist musicians whether it's an iApp to edit/mix tracks or to upload to iTunes. It fits right in with Apple, enabling the hobby artist to use computers to polish their product. That's exactly what iMovie and iDVD do for home movies and it strikes me as a perfect product for Apple, right up their alley. Even iPhoto enables people who have very litttle technical skills to migrate their digital photos to their computer to organize, edit, and print, all from the comfort of your computer chair.
Apple is all about simplifying very technical programs to enable the average joe to tackle projects like moviemaking and recording/sound mixing. If Apple can make a technical prject like editing/mixing audio tracks easy enough for the non-techies, bravo!
Of course it's not a "mass-market" application, the mass market isn't in a band creating music. It would however, cater to a niche of hobbist musicians whether it's an iApp to edit/mix tracks or to upload to iTunes. It fits right in with Apple, enabling the hobby artist to use computers to polish their product. That's exactly what iMovie and iDVD do for home movies and it strikes me as a perfect product for Apple, right up their alley. Even iPhoto enables people who have very litttle technical skills to migrate their digital photos to their computer to organize, edit, and print, all from the comfort of your computer chair.
Apple is all about simplifying very technical programs to enable the average joe to tackle projects like moviemaking and recording/sound mixing. If Apple can make a technical prject like editing/mixing audio tracks easy enough for the non-techies, bravo!
Originally posted by j33pd0g
Garage band... I hope it is some kind of CD Mastering software: Make sure your tracks are all the same volume, compression... feature to add bonus media... red book CD'S.
They make a program like that already called iTunes
The real question
What band(s) will Steve plug when if/when a 'Garage Band' app is announced tomorrow?
What band(s) will Steve plug when if/when a 'Garage Band' app is announced tomorrow?
Actually, no, the poster said "mastering" CDs, not ripping them. Mastering a CD means taking AIFF files (or what have you) you've recorded yourself, live, and creating a CD image you can burn (in other words, it would be a CD equivalent to iDVD). I don't think he's right, myself, but hey, I really have no idea what Garage Band is.
All I can say is that I want an iPod, but I'm not willing to shell out $300+ on such a thing. If they can bump it down to $140-180, then it's definitely a no-brainer, no matter what the capacity.
Garageband sounds wrong. It doesn't sound like Apple at all.. I mean you have the iApps and you have Keynote (which is a great name) but Garage Band is too long and clumsy to be a very well used name. It also sounds cheap and amateurish.
I think it will be a .Mac extension and there will also be a new consumer line iApp.
I mean I don't think a new iApp will be a .Mac extension... so there has to be more.
Also, what the hell happened to the new form factor iMac's... they seemed to disappear off the radar a while back and they need to surface some time because Apple's current low-mid end range suck.. iMac is too pricey and eMac is a CRT. I want headless goddamn it!
Either way I can't wait!! It's going to kick ass and I hope that the stream will hold up otherwise I am going to be mighty pissed...
I think it will be a .Mac extension and there will also be a new consumer line iApp.
I mean I don't think a new iApp will be a .Mac extension... so there has to be more.
Also, what the hell happened to the new form factor iMac's... they seemed to disappear off the radar a while back and they need to surface some time because Apple's current low-mid end range suck.. iMac is too pricey and eMac is a CRT. I want headless goddamn it!
Either way I can't wait!! It's going to kick ass and I hope that the stream will hold up otherwise I am going to be mighty pissed...
I'm here at MWSF and as usual, there are big covered-up banners all over the place. They look even bigger than last year!
I think Steve is going to suprise us with something unexpected, 'cause I don't see what's on the table as being worthy of all these large banners!
I think Steve is going to suprise us with something unexpected, 'cause I don't see what's on the table as being worthy of all these large banners!
Thanks for that article about the Oxford controller. I am really excited about this Garage Band mystery product. My guess is Garage Band is a logic lite app similar to pro tools LE and comes bundled with an apple audio interface or bundled with a third party offering from someone like oxford. I've been deliberately holding off until after the 6th to settle on an audio interface in the $500 range (was debating an mBox or m-audio firewire). My biggest problem with the mBox is USB which is ancient and i certaintly can't shell out for the $1000+ firewire digidesign hardware.
I've heard rumors for a long time about Apple planning from osx inception to release hardware to integrate with audio video apps specifically logic. If its anything like the mBox it will do well however i think the glaring problem for the target demographic (including mbox owners) is most of those who can't afford music hardware also have a modest computer setup such as an imac g4 and no room for dsp audio cards to take the heat off. All the current audio sequencers from DP4, Logic, Cubase, to Tracktion are hogs requiring you to invest 1000 just for the app and enough RAM (even a dual). Then go spend another 500 on audio hardware then realize you need better mics direct boxes etc. Reason has been able to attain success because of its processor friendliness but is only midi. The average entry "garage" or bedroom musician or powerbook professional on the road will be disappointed if the hardware doesn't take some of the heat of their machine. They could solve this by making the hardware do more of the work to complement entry level imac or emac or powerbooks. A DSP processor that runs AUs maybe like an external version of a TC Powercore and add some RAM in there somewhere possibly even a 10g harddrive. My hope is that apple has talked with artists like BT and moby to get input on what would be necessary to create multiple track pro level music effects and all on a factory (no added ram) powerbook in an hotel with one dream piece of hardware running off firewire on a nightstand without causing the computer to freeze or crap out or kill audio. Most certainly i agree with the point that the native horsepower of G5s will eventually make hardware obsolete. I definately agree that Apple needs to put the clamps on the pro audio market and defend themselves from Avid.
Maybe?
Garage Band + Hardware (name unknown)
Introducing Garage Band the consumer level audio app based on Logic Pro Audio with a totally redesigned GUI supporting Audio Units. Included are the professional quality basic logic AU like bitcrusher and reverbs. Incredibly processor friendly taking advantage of Core Audio
Introducing Garage Band hardware with 256 RAM and a DSP chip to do all the hardwork so your computer doesn't have to. Included is an 8 channel DAW mixer built by Oxford that runs completely off firewire power. A 10 gig hardrive to store your recent mix. Is video your thing? Garage Band hardware has jog shuttles for use with Logic FCP4 or iMovie and basic play stop fast forward edit controls also allowing you to control customizable parameters. Not a musicisan or video pro? Use the hardware to convert your vinyl to cd or transfer any media for presentations or speeches through the Garage band audio/video inputs and outputs included RCA, Toslink, 1/4, XLR, firewire 400/800, S-Video, etc.
I'm dreaming
I've heard rumors for a long time about Apple planning from osx inception to release hardware to integrate with audio video apps specifically logic. If its anything like the mBox it will do well however i think the glaring problem for the target demographic (including mbox owners) is most of those who can't afford music hardware also have a modest computer setup such as an imac g4 and no room for dsp audio cards to take the heat off. All the current audio sequencers from DP4, Logic, Cubase, to Tracktion are hogs requiring you to invest 1000 just for the app and enough RAM (even a dual). Then go spend another 500 on audio hardware then realize you need better mics direct boxes etc. Reason has been able to attain success because of its processor friendliness but is only midi. The average entry "garage" or bedroom musician or powerbook professional on the road will be disappointed if the hardware doesn't take some of the heat of their machine. They could solve this by making the hardware do more of the work to complement entry level imac or emac or powerbooks. A DSP processor that runs AUs maybe like an external version of a TC Powercore and add some RAM in there somewhere possibly even a 10g harddrive. My hope is that apple has talked with artists like BT and moby to get input on what would be necessary to create multiple track pro level music effects and all on a factory (no added ram) powerbook in an hotel with one dream piece of hardware running off firewire on a nightstand without causing the computer to freeze or crap out or kill audio. Most certainly i agree with the point that the native horsepower of G5s will eventually make hardware obsolete. I definately agree that Apple needs to put the clamps on the pro audio market and defend themselves from Avid.
Maybe?
Garage Band + Hardware (name unknown)
Introducing Garage Band the consumer level audio app based on Logic Pro Audio with a totally redesigned GUI supporting Audio Units. Included are the professional quality basic logic AU like bitcrusher and reverbs. Incredibly processor friendly taking advantage of Core Audio
Introducing Garage Band hardware with 256 RAM and a DSP chip to do all the hardwork so your computer doesn't have to. Included is an 8 channel DAW mixer built by Oxford that runs completely off firewire power. A 10 gig hardrive to store your recent mix. Is video your thing? Garage Band hardware has jog shuttles for use with Logic FCP4 or iMovie and basic play stop fast forward edit controls also allowing you to control customizable parameters. Not a musicisan or video pro? Use the hardware to convert your vinyl to cd or transfer any media for presentations or speeches through the Garage band audio/video inputs and outputs included RCA, Toslink, 1/4, XLR, firewire 400/800, S-Video, etc.
I'm dreaming
Haven't Read all the posts, so excuse me is this has already been suggested. GarageBand could be a stripped down version of Soundtrack being bundled with the Final Cut Express 2.0 we've heard about. Makes sense, but will they come out with Garage-Livetype? Who knows, but it doesn't seem like "Garageband" is an iApp because it doesn't have an i like all of the others do.
my 1st post
All this talk about an Apple PDA has gotten me all flustered. Enough to finally register and make my own post.
I just want to say that, yes, the PDA market is weak, but the mp3 player market was virtually non-existant before the ipod. That is what I think Apple is missing (or maybe they're just waiting untill the time is right). I think if they made a PDA based off of the rumored 2 gig ipods that was ultra small, ultra sleek, and had that magic apple-sauce inside that they're so famous for, they would sell like hot cakes and create their own market.
edit: I guess I was too slow, bensisko allready made this point
All this talk about an Apple PDA has gotten me all flustered. Enough to finally register and make my own post.
I just want to say that, yes, the PDA market is weak, but the mp3 player market was virtually non-existant before the ipod. That is what I think Apple is missing (or maybe they're just waiting untill the time is right). I think if they made a PDA based off of the rumored 2 gig ipods that was ultra small, ultra sleek, and had that magic apple-sauce inside that they're so famous for, they would sell like hot cakes and create their own market.
edit: I guess I was too slow, bensisko allready made this point
Basicallt-v 6.x came out in 2000,and I see that there been updates since, but no new major features or a new major version release. It seems the rival Microsoft Works (used to be on the Mac) has been updated to v 7 in 2002, v8 could be this year ,-so I'd predict Apple coi;d pull off a new version with many new features under a new name.