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Yah - but showing it like this just makes it worse right? It fans the flames. It's like Steve Balmer trying to tell the public that the iPod is going down and the Zune is taking over - he actually tried that line of bull-dada.

True. And this is far from the first time a competitor has chosen this rout. Samsung does it all the time.
 
Really? And you know this how?

Yah, I'd like to think about it - I do have Garmin stock. But they are making kickarse airplane avionics stuff too.

This fitness GPS stuff is not the biggest money maker for Garmin - but I really do not know. I just know that I thought the world of GPS was good so I bought some Garmin shares years ago, and they still sit there - basically dust in my portfolio these days. Should I sell my Garmin shares maybe?

3% dividend on GRMN - so I just let it sit there. Shoulda sold when it was higher I guess.
 
Maybe unsurprisingly, Garmin is overstating their case. I've been wearing a Fenix 6 Pro for the last year, and a FR935 for 2 years before that. I play golf 3 days a week, go to the gym 2-3x a week and mix in a couple outdoor walks/runs. Wearing the Fenix 24/7, I have to recharge it at least once a week, sometimes every 5 days. Definitely better battery life than the Apple Watch, but not "months". Not even "weekS" (plural).

I can get two weeks out of it if I just wear it as a watch and don't do any workouts that require GPS, and I could maybe get a month if I put it in "Expedition Mode", but that disables the screen, most of the sensors, and only takes a GPS reading once an hour. At that point you can barely even call it a "smart watch".

I have my feet in both camps. Garmin doesn't make bad products by any means, and there are certain use cases in which Apple doesn't match up - but Apple offers other features that Garmin doesn't come close to. Battery life isn't one of them, but Garmin's isn't as good in real-life use as they're crowing about.

When my AW8 arrives next week, I'll probably keep the Fenix as my golf watch and use the AW for everything else. Garmin's native golf app is as good as any AW golf app, doesn't cost me anything extra, and sends all my rounds to the Garmin Golf app for tracking and analysis. And I don't have any worries about the battery lasting if the course is crowded and I get stuck in a 5-hour round of golf.
I used to have a 6X pro and the battery life on the 7X is without doubt double. And I’m honestly not joking. 6 miles a day walking, 3 or 4 40 mile bike rides and I’m getting well over two weeks
 
The tweet achieved its goal, people talking about Garmin...haha

With that said I love the Apple Watch but got tired of charging every night. Turns out I want fitness watch that can do some smart stuff and not a smart watch.
 
Maybe unsurprisingly, Garmin is overstating their case. I've been wearing a Fenix 6 Pro for the last year, and a FR935 for 2 years before that. I play golf 3 days a week, go to the gym 2-3x a week and mix in a couple outdoor walks/runs. Wearing the Fenix 24/7, I have to recharge it at least once a week, sometimes every 5 days. Definitely better battery life than the Apple Watch, but not "months". Not even "weekS" (plural).

I can get two weeks out of it if I just wear it as a watch and don't do any workouts that require GPS, and I could maybe get a month if I put it in "Expedition Mode", but that disables the screen, most of the sensors, and only takes a GPS reading once an hour. At that point you can barely even call it a "smart watch".

I have my feet in both camps. Garmin doesn't make bad products by any means, and there are certain use cases in which Apple doesn't match up - but Apple offers other features that Garmin doesn't come close to. Battery life isn't one of them, but Garmin's isn't as good in real-life use as they're crowing about.

When my AW8 arrives next week, I'll probably keep the Fenix as my golf watch and use the AW for everything else. Garmin's native golf app is as good as any AW golf app, doesn't cost me anything extra, and sends all my rounds to the Garmin Golf app for tracking and analysis. And I don't have any worries about the battery lasting if the course is crowded and I get stuck in a 5-hour round of golf.

If you get a recent Apple Watch, the fast charging really overcomes the battery worries nicely - that's what I find. I often forget to take it off when I sleep and in the morning I can get a decent charge up in 20 minutes - sh*t, shower, shave and charged up
 
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Coincidentally, months is how we measure the time wasted navigating Garmin’s unintuitive interface, horrible software, and nonexistent customer service.
 
the ultra is nowhere close to what a Garmin watch can offer in terms of activity function. Garmins main competitor is Coros as Sunto has not been able to surpass them but Coros surely has.

If Garmin could bring wireless service to it, would be great. Only thing they offer is some Verizon (think it’s them) w text capability only.

There is no way in heck, I would give up my Fenix for an. Apple Watch. If you feel like you would, you probably don’t fit the demographic of us Garmin users. That simple.
@arkitect show me an Apple screen w functionality where I can see the time elapsed, distance ran, avg pace for the run, avg pace for that mile I am on, my cadence, and my HR and the zone I am in. Overkill? Nope, these are all the metric while I train and run a marathon.

Then show me a simple one where it shows time elapsed , distance, current pace and be able to stop start w a button, plus another button where I can click to start a new lap.

Then give me all these metrics via an app so I can see the details.

All this while wearing gloves because it’s 20-30 degrees and don’t have to worry about the screen not working.

So go ahead and laugh, but this is why it doesn’t even compare.

Yes, making calls, listening to music, text.. those three is all I need to make. garmin perfect but it won’t happen. Same as the stuff I need to make the Apple Watch perfect. It won’t happen

Tow total different target audiences. For the social runner or someone who doesn’t get into all that, yes Apple Watch is fine.
 
Garmin is just butt-hurt here. Apple’s watch does sooo much more this was all they had. And even that is deceptive. They are trying to prevent a massive stock crash.
Really? Tell me about Garmins core business and the stock crash that you have obviously researched and analysed. Love to hear more.
 
I don’t know about you but I tend not to need an ECG on a daily basis and when I do need one I’d rather it was administered by a health professional. I think you’re clutching at straws

Yah, I was trying mainly to make the point that the Apple Watch has a lot of other features.

It's Garmin who is clutching at straws with the battery comment really.

If you want a fitness watch for doing Ironman, you now have a possible choice from Apple, and it has a lot of extra features included with it as well.

Garmin is still good - but they don't need to make snide and bogus remarks - it makes me want to avoid them altogether.
 
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Apple's response:

"We measure unit sales in millions, not thousands".
A simple Google search of “Garmin 10k” will pull up the annual filings for the SEC. On page 48 of the 2021 filing, Garmins revenue was $4.98B. So sales are measured in billions, not thousands like you assume. But hey, at least u got 100’s of likes for your ill-informed opinion.
 
I’ve never owned Garmin, is having a battery that lasts weeks really an improvement or is it like range anxiety for electric vehicles?

My experience with an s3 watch is that I put it on to charge every evening by habit (even though I’d often get through the day with more than 50% left).

I’d love a longer battery life (5+ hour swims kill it), but I feel like I just need it to last a day whatever I do with it?

Feels like a daily habit is easy to form, but remembering to charge once a month is paradoxically something I’m more likely to forget?
Why would you forget to charge something when it reminds you? I have a Quatix and get between 10 - 18 days depending on how I use it. Don't have to think about charging it except maybe once every 2 weeks.
 
Garmin Epix 2 is only Garmin watch which this should be compared. That watch battery life is 6 days. It's better but not too far away anymore. It would be nice to know how they can do it and way Apple can't? Is it continues connectivity with iphone or what 🤔.

I'm long time Apple watch user but I still think Garmin do sport and health things better. They bot measuring basically same metrics. Apple watch might measure even more metrics. But the problem in Apple watch is that those are just single metrics in health app. Sleep stages or HRV won't tell normal people anything.
Garmin, Oura and other vendors calculating easy understandable scores out of those metrics like training rediness, sleep score, rediness, HRV status, stress score etc. and that's where I think Apple watch lacks most.

WatchOS 9 brings lot of new sports features but there are still lot to do. I would like to pair my cycling power meter to apple watch, I would like to track distance when I track my cross country skiing, I would like to see is my training mostly aerobic or anaerobic, maps should integrate to activate app etc.

Still super excited about WatchOS 9 and Apple watch Ultra. Maybe this is new start to something new in Apple watch world.

And Garmin, Apple eat their sales all the time. They might be afraid adn that tweet show it. I owned Garmin Epix two months. Sports and health side very good. Battery life good. But what comes to Smart watch side, is like big joke. So so far away what Apple watch is.
 
I see a lot of Garmin users raving about how great their battery life is but to me it feels like a weird thing place so much value in...

I know quite a lot of people with an Apple Watch, and I've not once heard the complaint about battery life.

I can only recall two inconveniences related to battery: I rocked a series 2 with the OG battery that wasn't quite making it through the whole day. At the time of the series 2, longevity of the watch wasn't great (slow processor) and that led me to upgrade. With the last few generations the situation is much improved.

Once I did 8 hours of hiking with a workout on, which ran it down. I've learned it's not really necessary to record such long activities as "workouts" as the passive tracking works fine for that.

If I were an extreme nomad/backpacker type I think I'd want more life, or I'd skip it. Seems like most people just sleep at home and don't find it annoying to throw on the charger.
 
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This completely free tweet did more to get people introduced to the Enduro 2 than any campaign that they've probably spent millions on this year. Brilliant marketing.

I disagree - I ain't looking at the Garmin product at all - I'd already be into the Garmin Enduro watch already if I needed it. I feel like I know even more that I don't want it because of the slant of the tweet. The advert or tweet or whatever has mainly caused me to think that Garmin has that "small man syndrome" like Steve Balmer shenanigans.
 
I see a lot of Garmin users raving about how great their battery life is but to me it feels like a weird thing place so much value in...

I know quite a lot of people with an Apple Watch, and I've not once heard the complaint about battery life.

I can only recall two inconveniences related to battery. I rocked a series 2 with the OG battery that wasn't quite making it through the whole day. At the time of the series 2, longevity of the watch wasn't great (slow processor). With the last few generations the situation is much improved.

Another time I did 8 hours of hiking with a workout on which ran it down. I've learned it's not really necessary to record such long activities as "workouts" as the passive tracking works fine for that.

If I were an extreme nomad/backpacker type I think I'd want more life, or I'd skip it. Seems like most people just sleep at home and don't find it annoying to throw on the charger.

Exactly - charging becomes a routine.

I'd bet that a big percentage of the battery complainers have not ponied up the cash to actually own the damned Apple Watch, or if they did it was "revision 2 Apple Watch" or something.

I have had every Apple Watch model year. I upgrade yearly. I rarely have a dead Apple Watch on my wrist - I can think of a half dozen times where I got stuck with a dead watch. Not that big of a deal.

With the fast charging of the last year's revision, all the battery issues have been solved to a workable level of satisfaction. Do I want a battery that lasts forever? Sure! But it's OK to put the watch on a thing by my bed - I have to do it for iPhone too.
 
I trained and ran my first 10k, half marathon and full marathon all with Garmin forerunner watch so Garmin has my love forever 😊

Yah, it was cool tech 10 years ago.

I mean, I don't care much about Garmin watches these days, but yah - I had a big red one for triathlons 10 years ago - I forget where it is now. It did the job of tracking my triathlons.

It had all the problems of fitness gear - weird cords and dongles and software that was a big ordeal. After a short time I switched over to using my iPhone on my road bike and when Apple Watch came out, it was like - forget all these Ant+ things - it's stupid. I mean - I missed out on installing fancy power meters in my road bike maybe, but I'm actually glad I avoided all that crappy electronics. Apple is way better overall for me and for most people.
 
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Typical Apple stans here have never used a Garmin device to compare and don't know what it offers.

Their devices are still FAR more dedicated fitness trackers than the Ultra, but okay, I guess they suck because they aren't Apple. Their features are well above and beyond what Apple is capable of doing currently.

This forum is an echo chamber in the worst way.
 
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