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Did you? What in the original post was good for Nokia? They lost nearly 50% of their smartphone market share and reduced their average selling price.
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Gartner: Nokia Held Off Apple in Smartphone Sales in 2Q 2011
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Did you? What in the original post was good for Nokia? They lost nearly 50% of their smartphone market share and reduced their average selling price.
I suppose it depends on how you classify what a "smart phone" is. To me Nokia does not make a true smartphone yet.
They are losing marketshare, no doubt about that. But as of this publication they are still ahead of most other Smartphone OS'es.
Since this poll measured Symbian. It will fall alot further since they are abandoning it for WP7.
No, that's not what actually happened. Their ASP actually went up slightly IIRC.
What happened was that around Q4 last year they were selling 5 million plus N8s a month, millions of other Symbian phones also. They were doing quite well. Carriers bought loads of them then.
Q1 2011 and they announce the shift. The carriers were sat on a stockpile of phones while consumer demand dropped like a stone. The carriers then started dropping prices and didn't buy new stock from Nokia.
Android phones got down to cheap Nokia prices - see ZTE's surge in the table.
They held off Apple largely because Apple don't sell cheap phones, don't have Nokia's hardware prowess in imaging or RF, don't have Nokia's different form factors, don't have Nokia's global reach and there's millions of customers who don't really pay attention to internet forums or US tech blogs. ie. all the reasons that existed before Feb 11th.
Apple really didn't gain much from Nokia's share. It's almost entirely consumers and more importantly carriers shifting to Android at Nokia's expense.
According to Gartner, it went down.
"The channel bought less and worked hard to reduce stock levels, partly by cutting prices on older products. These factors reduced Nokia's average selling price for smartphones, compared to the first quarter of 2011."
I think part of MS problem is the launch was slow and they launch in smart phone no mans land. They were all the mid tier phones which is no mans land in terms of smart phones.
You have on contact the low end (50 or less) and high end at $200+. The middle ground has been nearly completely wiped out. WP7 is just starting to get some high end phones on the market and they really need to get into the low end nad high end.
Apple has something in the low end (3GS) and high end of iPhone 4 but they have no middle ground which is fine. MS is in Middle ground only and they really REALLY need to get a high end phones out on the market and it shoudl help take it off.
I've found that Gartner, though a business god, is actually a pretty tawdry business. They write a lot of crap, which is usually inaccurate and tailored for their clients. They're a kind of "rating agency" of tech companies that pretends to be this great judge of the market. Like the actual rating agencies who were so instrumental in the crash of 2008 AND 2011, they talk mostly through their hats.
That quote alone shows you the idiocy of market share rather than profitability as a measure of business.
Whoa. Haven't seen one of these in a while. Android is most definitely the new Symbian. Microsoft is definitely still struggling at this point. We'll see if Nokia and Microsoft's joint efforts will actually help both of them out. And it really looks like RIM is done, unless they can pull something truly exceptional out of their hats.
Nokia disappeared in US but sells very well around the world. I can get a N8 unlocked for $500 while an iPhone 4 16GB "pre-locked" (can be unlocked after bought) costs no less than $1000. Although in general iPhone 4 is a better phone, we all agree that it isn't two times better than N8.
iPhone is a kind of phone-fetish in emerging market but it has a tiny market share. Mainly because of its price; secondly, because Nokia and asian manufacturers like Samsung and LG have focused their business on these countries offering good devices for the price. Sometimes, they beat iPhone in some features (e.g. Nokia N8's camera).
I think Nokia can do a dual bet with MeeGo in BRIC-like markets and Windows Phone in the developed world. Symbian will survive for years in cheaper phones ($100 cell phones with multitask support).
iPhone is a kind of phone-fetish in emerging market but it has a tiny market share. Mainly because of its price; secondly, because Nokia and asian manufacturers like Samsung and LG have focused their business on these countries offering good devices for the price. Sometimes, they beat iPhone in some features (e.g. Nokia N8's camera).
I think Nokia can do a dual bet with MeeGo in BRIC-like markets and Windows Phone in the developed world. Symbian will survive for years in cheaper phones ($100 cell phones with multitask support).
An unlocked iPhone 4 costs $649 from Apple.
Tiny? 18% of the global smartphone market isn't really tiny. It is the number one smartphone in the world.
He could be in another part of the world so that could be the case that Apple is 1k. That would explain the mark up. Nokia can generally be bought anywhere in the world. Apple no so much.
In Brazil (as an example of emerging country, where I live) it costs $1000+. Possibly US respond up to 50% of smartphone market. I would like to see Apple statistics outside US. When you say 18% of global market it's a bit distorted information. It does not mean that a lot of chinese/south african/brazilian/finnish/korean people own iPhones (at least the ones that live outside USA
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This arguemt is so...meh...
While it is an impressive figure for Apple Shareholders it does not give any indication about the future market. Users generaly do not think about the manufacturer first, they think about the OS. This is true for the PC world and for the mobile world. Just because the iPhone is the sole smartphone using iOS, this does not limit it's "compellingness" and neither does it raise Android's being offered on a wider variety of devices.
Customers ask themselves (or are being asked by a salesperson) what type of Phone they want and if the answer is "samrtphone" the next question should always be "what OS" and not "what brand"
Apple paid big price due to the delay of the iPhone 5.
I hope that they can release something big enough to earn back the shares lost to Samsung this quarter.
and Microsoft and Nokia's partnership seems to be dead already before the launch of the first phone...
I hope that they can release something big enough to earn back the shares lost to Samsung this quarter.
and Microsoft and Nokia's partnership seems to be dead already before the launch of the first phone...
My mistake. Year on Year it's gone up from 2010. That's what I remembered. It's 146 Euro to 142 Euro from Q1 to Q2. Hardly a yard-sale.
http://press.nokia.com/2011/07/21/n...-non-ifrs-eps-eur-0-06-reported-eps-eur-0-10/
They did have quite a few older models to kill off though. 5230 and 5800 seem to have gone finally, C5 is to be replaced with the 500 next month. E5 seems to be in short supply. There's a 600 and 700 due also. At that point they're almost all on one OS - Symbian^3 based 'Anna' - having ditched the non-touch 3rd Edition and the awful 5th Edition resistive touch screen phones. Pity they didn't get there earlier as it makes a developers life much simpler.
They still have S40 which has been gaining features rapidly to try and beat back the march of cheap plastic chinese Android phones and nobody does cheap stainless steel, long battery life phones quite like Nokia still do.
"around the world" that is changing. Symbian used to have the majority of the UK market for example but it's 4th now, behind even RIM although if you look closely, it's kids buying blackberries for BBM, not for apps. That pattern is repeating across Europe and expanding East.
The iPhone had some effect but nowhere near what Android has done. iPhone marketshare seems to have been relatively static with Android's gains mapping Symbian's losses in Europe. That's only going to continue in the rest of the world IMHO with Nokia announcing the death of Symbian.
Nokia still has brand recognition in many parts of the world. In the USA it was never a smartphone brand and always the brand thought of as cheap and disposable. Hence Symbian even when it had 70% market share world wide barely registered double digits in the USA. When USAians finally 'got' smartphones, Nokia's brand image was nowhere in the USA and what got thought of as a smartphone was dominated by USAian brands.
At the moment it seems like Nokia are wanting to push Windows phones in the USA, UK & Germany as key markets having announced they won't be releasing the Meego base N9 in those countries. So, it looks like they're using Windows as the iPhone/Android competitor where those are strong. They might do ok in the USA. I hope they fail miserably in Europe personally causing them to change strategy here.
Rumour had it that only 92,000 N9's were produced. I don't know if that is true but the N9 availability is so limited as to make no impact commercially where it would matter.
Nokia got screwed by Intel essentially there. MeeGo is mired in infighting and crap governance and Intel failed to get out any hardware that could conceivably fit in a phone. Nokia retrenched back to Maemo and ARM for the N9 with a MeeGo compatible layer on it and knocked out the N9 in about 9 months work according to one of the developers which just goes to show that Nokia can implement stuff fast if they're focussed and not ruled by idiot management who waste time on empire building.
Symbian is dead even in low end phones. It's apparently too difficult to port to new hardware hence being stuck on ancient ARM11 CPUs to this day. Despite being technically capable it seems it's not commercially viable to use on new hardware. They're expanding S40 into smartphone territory instead with for instance Maps.
Do you need me to help put your toys back in the pram?
If you think the entire world except the US buys Nokias then you are a fool. Step back into reality for a second.
You don't. You enter a contract, probably 24 months, where you pay $49 upfront and some money every month to get an iPhone. Look for the price on the Apple Store; that is (within a few percent) what you pay. Of course they will hide the cost if possible. And of course it's the same for every phone.
To me, the last time you laid eyes on a Nokia device was in the last century. What criteria does not a Nokia device fulfill in your list of criteria? That it doesnt say Apple on the back?