Gartner: Nokia Held Off Apple in Smartphone Sales in 2Q 2011

[gnasher729]

Nokia held off Apple by dumping whatever they had in the channel for peanuts, thus posting gains in share that are actually artificial, given the circumstances.

What actually happened, if this report is correct, is that Nokia sales to end users must have dropped quite a bit in the quarter before, with Nokia still selling to distributors, which lead to a huge number of phones in stock, and the drop in Nokia sales went unnoticed. This quarter, sales to end users dropped as well, but distributors weren't buying the phones from Nokia, so Nokia's sales to distributors dropped even sharper than sales to end users. Next quarter the numbers we see should reflect reality.

 

[divinox]

I think part of MS problem is the launch was slow and they launch in smart phone no mans land. They were all the mid tier phones which is no mans land in terms of smart phones.

You have on contact the low end (50 or less) and high end at $200+. The middle ground has been nearly completely wiped out. WP7 is just starting to get some high end phones on the market and they really need to get into the low end nad high end.

Apple has something in the low end (3GS) and high end of iPhone 4 but they have no middle ground which is fine. MS is in Middle ground only and they really REALLY need to get a high end phones out on the market and it shoudl help take it off.

All i can say is Q4-11, Q1-12. Nokia would never go to business with MSFT if they couldnt sell at all points. Second, the software should be slick enough by now to allow for a small drop in hw-req (lowering prod. costs dramatically) without really hurting experience. Original devices can be revamped into mid-tier (with some updates towards mid-top) and then some flagships that has the latest bling. Trust me, it'll be there before you can say Windows Phone 7 Series!

What actually happened, if this report is correct, is that Nokia sales to end users must have dropped quite a bit in the quarter before, with Nokia still selling to distributors, which lead to a huge number of phones in stock, and the drop in Nokia sales went unnoticed. This quarter, sales to end users dropped as well, but distributors weren't buying the phones from Nokia, so Nokia's sales to distributors dropped even sharper than sales to end users. Next quarter the numbers we see should reflect reality.

If we by "reality" mean, Nokia sales in between product transition - which in my opinion hardly reflects reality at all. Q4, and H1 sales on the other hand, then we can speak of something close to "reality".

Nokia disappeared in US but sells very well around the world. I can get a N8 unlocked for $500 while an iPhone 4 16GB "pre-locked" (can be unlocked after bought) costs no less than $1000. Although in general iPhone 4 is a better phone, we all agree that it isn't two times better than N8.

iPhone is a kind of phone-fetish in emerging market but it has a tiny market share. Mainly because of its price; secondly, because Nokia and asian manufacturers like Samsung and LG have focused their business on these countries offering good devices for the price. Sometimes, they beat iPhone in some features (e.g. Nokia N8's camera).

I think Nokia can do a dual bet with MeeGo in BRIC-like markets and Windows Phone in the developed world. Symbian will survive for years in cheaper phones ($100 cell phones with multitask support).

Symbian will probably transition to other sectors as well, making it live even longer.

An unlocked iPhone 4 costs $649 from Apple.



Tiny? 18% of the global smartphone market isn't really tiny. It is the number one smartphone in the world.

The world is larger than America. Current price in Sweden (e.g.) at the Apple store: 5995 SEK which 2 weeks ago wouldve been very close to USD 1000 (USD 925 or so as of today).

Apple paid big price due to the delay of the iPhone 5.

I hope that they can release something big enough to earn back the shares lost to Samsung this quarter.

and Microsoft and Nokia's partnership seems to be dead already before the launch of the first phone...

Dead? Like Apple some ten years ago you mean?

Do you need me to help put your toys back in the pram?

If you think the entire world except the US buys Nokias then you are a fool. Step back into reality for a second.

Actually the statement is quite true. Even at its peak Nokia never really got a break in the US market; World-wide is a very different picture all together.

(not stating that US is the only bad market for nokia, but that it is one of very few - historically).

 

[divinox]

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[divinox]

delete (sorry mod).

 

[erzhik]

Do you need me to help put your toys back in the pram?

If you think the entire world except the US buys Nokias then you are a fool. Step back into reality for a second.

Is that the best you can come up with?

If you think that in reality nobody wants Nokia, then that makes you a bigger fool. Ever been to India? Pakistan? China? Russia? Kazakhstan? Turkey? Germany? Number of other countries. Markets are flooded with Nokia devices. Nokia was never successful in US, but they were more than successful everywhere else.

There is a reason why the entire world buys Nokia. Yes, Symbian may be stupid for geeks, but Nokia pushes volume better than anyone and that's what matters in business.


I find it amazing how some Apple fans want Nokia to fail, they want everyone to fail except Apple. Why? Do you really want Apple to hold a monopoly? There is a reason why there are rumors of cheaper iPhone, Apple sees that cheaper Nokias sell, and sell very well.

 

[samcraig]

Is that the best you can come up with?

If you think that in reality nobody wants Nokia, then that makes you a bigger fool. Ever been to India? Pakistan? China? Russia? Kazakhstan? Turkey? Germany? Number of other countries. Markets are flooded with Nokia devices. Nokia was never successful in US, but they were more than successful everywhere else.

There is a reason why the entire world buys Nokia. Yes, Symbian may be stupid for geeks, but Nokia pushes volume better than anyone and that's what matters in business.


I find it amazing how some Apple fans want Nokia to fail, they want everyone to fail except Apple. Why? Do you really want Apple to hold a monopoly? There is a reason why there are rumors of cheaper iPhone, Apple sees that cheaper Nokias sell, and sell very well.

Shhhh - some people like to live in their geocentric world believing that if they don't buy, experience, know something - then NO one does...

 

[BaldiMac]

but Nokia pushes volume better than anyone and that's what matters in business.

Weird. I'm pretty sure profits and investor returns also matter in business.

Shhhh - some people like to live in their geocentric world believing that if they don't buy, experience, know something - then NO one does...

I'm pretty sure that means the opposite of what you intended it to mean.

 

[samcraig]

Weird. I'm pretty sure profits and investor returns also matter in business.



I'm pretty sure that means the opposite of what you intended it to mean.

No. I meant that some people thing that whatever is true in this country/state/city/etc (or whatever country/state/city/etc they are in) is true everywhere.

Just like a lot of people on here are egocentric as well - believing that all people think, act and feel as they do.

 

[BaldiMac]

No. I meant that some people thing that whatever is true in this country/state/city/etc (or whatever country/state/city/etc they are in) is true everywhere.

Just like a lot of people on here are egocentric as well - believing that all people think, act and feel as they do.

But you said "geocentric" as in "global". Not a big deal. I knew what you meant. I just thought it was funny.

 

[samcraig]

But you said "geocentric" as in "global". Not a big deal. I knew what you meant. I just thought it was funny.

gotcha - location-centric doesn't sound as good LOL