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Not sure if this has been posted, but i saw the full tv ad.

Gateway looks lots prettier in its "animated" form, which must have been intended, and it wiggles alot, and the imac is stiff (ironic, since imac screen moves and the other dont). anyhoo, each times it jumps over one it says how its faster, works with more programs, does this, does that, and its cheaper.


I just think its funny that you guys are all mad, like the average person watchin the news is gonna go "DAMN THEM! THOSE ARE BASED ON IMACS RUNNING 10.4!!! AND WHERES THE SUPERDRIVE?! DAUGH!!!"
 
that's the point though dig. most people don't know that the commercial is pretty much all off... i mean, i'd believe that the profile is faster, but other than that it's not even close. and it's not even cheaper as they say

along with the misrepresentation of the moving monitor and whatnot....

so yeah, most people won't realize it. but that's why it's upsetting...
 
what's your point?

we all know that the average american won't know that it's a big scam...and a pile of poo. I just feel sorry for the suckers that buy one.
 
my point is that maybe its not worth TOO much complaining if its not gonna actually do anything about it. Everyone should be watching rushmore instead.
 
ummm...

yeah but... what???

that makes LESS sense then what you said before...

what's not gonna change what? for who? when?

and yeah we should all be watching the Thunderbirds...
 
nah, im just saying that us pointing out how the ads are biased doesnt fix the ads, nor does it inform joe computer that they are biased...all it does is prevent us from watching rushmore, and thunderbirds (respectivly, of course)

Unless, we all chip in for a full page ad in this sundays new york times declaring the ad false.....but id rather watch rushmore
 
When I saw this comemrical late night during Conan i was pissed. I even came back here after promising myself to get away from Mac rumors. Well this tears it. Let's see what i should say. I few things have me angry:
Some people "know" too much. "The GF4MX is a crap card." You could argue the GF4Ti is better, or that the Radeon9000 gives you more for the price, but you should be more specific. It's better than the GF2MX you get otherwise, how's that for an argument?? For people who don't have as much time as me they should know a little something about architectures of GPUs, nVidia has 3 out right now: GeForce2, GeForce3, and GeForce4 (sorry i forget the nv20 and whatnot codes). The GF2 and 4 come in a few flavours, but the MX is the bottom, and Titanium is the top (Pro and what not is inbetween). The GF4MX is a GF2MX with better ram and clock speed, but it's still a GF2. The GF4Ti (seen in Apple's PowerMac 1st of course) is a new system, it kicks ass (but I still want a Radeon9700 on Jaguar with drivers, that will rule).
"Final Cut Pro" is not pro. Bull, some people are working in really high end positions, and they need to get back to work. But I had an argument about this before and the guy schooled me but still I argue- FCP3 isn't prosumer, some might be able to swallow a $1000 piece of software, but most can't. FCP is also the most used software solution, not some crap from Avid, or the all too popular Premiere. FinalCut Pro is the staple in web, TV, trailers, and is even used for some movies. HD: good point, avid is probably ahead here, but not like Apple is sitting there, they have HD capture cards that work (well) with FCP3, they have computers to handle it, and they built the 23" HD Cinema for HD Editing. Why? Not for cinema, but for TV which is going HD obviously. Eventually FCP will be used for everything, but it's not a prosumer app, nor is it considered one. Is the company editing a $500,000 Cocoa-Cola commercial still considered prosumer? I doubt that somehow.
One of my theories which i'm sure will come true sooner or later- iWeb. An Apple branded web browser, based on a OS X native core, and which would rely entirely on Cocoa and Quartz. Apple can't go on with a 3rd party shipping web browser. MS's is even in the OS code for crying out loud. It'll happen eventually. And it will rule. Why? Because I can't think of anything to add to a web browser, but Apple can. It will definately combine the beauty of OmniWeb, speed of Chimera, and compatability of IE5 (which is oddly the most compatable browser on OSX). I mean for an OS so embedded in the 'net, how can apple not have a web browser. And let's not bring up OpenDoc for those of us who rememeber webDog. Ahh the good old days.
Performace. What is performace mean to you? For me performance is speed where it counts. This means scrolling, OpenGL, PhotoShop, and Quicktime (which runs compressing and Final Cut). A PC can open PhotoShop faster than even a Dual 1.25Ghz Mac, but once you're running it? All bets are off, the PC is gonna die. And if that wasn't enough, obviously with Quartz Extreme (whcih works great on any iMac with the GEFORCE2/4!) and Jaguar the system feels much more responsive (even though my copy is still on the way).
The mac advantage. Why do I put up with a "slower" system? Well in the time i save with all the genious parts of MacOS X such as path names in the window bar, the dock, quicktime integration, drag and drop, and so on and so on I think I'd probably get more done in a day than any PC user with a dual 3GHz OC'ed Xenon. Oh and I have dual displays, that helps me get things faster. I have IE's window on the right, and the report I am supposed to be writing of the left. And It's too bad you can't measure troubbleshooting time. Mac takes 70 seconds to reboot? Then the mac has a 70 second troubbleshooting time 99.99% of the time. PC has a 20 second boot time? Well I bet it's even faster in safe mode, which is good, becase when i go to your house and you've been in safe mode for a week and you can't even USE DirectX and Quake3 i will be there to laugh in your face while you're reformatting.
As for 3D performance I know something has to be up with that. I heard it was classic, i think either that or software rendering. Thank god the mac comes with working OpenGL drivers, i bet they would have botched that up too. But it's impossible because I think my G4 500 when it was new, running the Quake 3 Demo in OS9 (back in '99 guys) on the stock AGP2x Rage128 16MB SDR RAM card probably got around 30fps. Now I have a pimpin' R200 GPU but i digress, the iMac should be able to get about 100fps i think, GF4MX packs a huge whallop for those simple games (no TC&L required, 12MB texture max, simple AI, low polygon count, and so on).

What I guess i'm saying is that speed isn't everything, and even if it is, you make up for it in many more places than a PC gains on the iMac. There are so many reasons to go to a mac NOW, not the other way around. And our laptop LCDs look like GetaWay's desktop ones. So if you have an iMac 14" you're pretty much looking at one of these CowDung4s or whatever they're called.
 
Tips on converting idiots to the Mac

If they ever argue price remind them that MacOS X has $1000 Roman and $10,500 Japanese fonts. Wow, if i ever met a PC user from Japan that would be useful knowledge.
 
If you wanna go cheap...real cheap...why not just get a Classic iMac for $799...sure it is a CRT and is a 600MHz G3...but even so how much better is a Celeron even if it is clocked at 1.7 GHz? From my experience clock speed makes no difference on a Celeron processor. Okay the Profile has a flat screen display...but the iMac has a hard drive with 40GB of space and at least you can dial up and surf the net with the included 56K modem. It also has built in speakers. So for $200 less you can actually use the Classic iMac right out of the box.
 
New iMac user....

My first post...my first Mac...I am what you would call a switcher...got sick of Winblows and all the problems I had with it. Just picked up my new 17 inch iMac today...ready to go...looking forward to doing things 'differently' and without BSOD.

As for Gateway - at least their cow is more intelligent than that Dell idiot! :)

If anyone has any tips for the ultimate newbie, please let me know! :)

Regards,
Mike Davis
 
Re: New iMac user....

Originally posted by MiamiURedhawks

If anyone has any tips for the ultimate newbie, please let me know! :)

Regards,
Mike Davis [/B]

And you already found the rumour site(s).... :)

Mac OS X: The Missing Manual
by David Pogue. (http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=4-0596000820-4 - links to a used copy, but in any event, I like to support independent book sellers)

macosxhints.com for advanced tips and tricks.

versiontracker.com for what software is new.

maccentral, macrumors, and macworld tend to be the Mac sites I visit the most. (I'm a relative newby, so other suggestions welcome here as well.)

Good luck - wish I could easily upgrade the monitor on my 15" G4 iMac.
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
I think someone has too much time on their hands! :D :rolleyes: :p

>(yada88) One more thing, while the profile 4 is ugly, I would like to go on record saying I THINK THE IMAC IS UGLY.

Are you talking about the 17 inch model? I originally thought likewise, but lighter, until I saw the WideMac in person. My father thought is was cool, and even said it. He also said he liked/wanted an eMac, but he already has a satisfying iMac G3 and OS 9. (Hey, pops, you have no idea what you are missing if you don't have a G4 and OS X muhahahahaha!)

Many people had the same misconceptions about the old iMac G3. However:
(1) Your assumptions aren't worth d[explicit]k until you see it in person, and
(2) I'm using that original iMac right now to type this. Truly, it's old, but it works. Plus, the "pinstripe" job certainly brings back the old and fancy times.

While the 17" imac is significantly better looking, I still think both are ugly. And yes, I have seen them both in person.
 
I still think the best switcher commercial would have Steve 'Dude' saying.... 'Dude....I'm buying a MAC!!!'
 
Originally posted by Gigglebyte
I still think the best switcher commercial would have Steve 'Dude' saying.... 'Dude....I'm buying a MAC!!!'

Steve Dell and a Jersey Cow sitting at home in front of their respective computers (17" iMac, PM with 23' Cinema display.) Steve turns to the cow and says "Dude, can you imagine how things would be if we had to use the computers that we pitch during the day?".

Closeup of Cow; fade to Cow's "imagination" - show bad stuff on WinTel boxes ("Good thing rebooting is so fast; I've had to restart 5 times in the last hour, etc.")

Back to the Mac lab. Cow says "I love you, Mac" and gives her machine a big hug.

;-)
 
Originally posted by Gigglebyte


I think somebody has been smoking something here...I just tested my home system which is an Athlon XP1800, 512 Crucial CAS2, WD 80Gig 7200RPM running XP Pro and my startup time from a cold boot was 41 seconds so I just don't see how a little old duron 700 could do it in half the time.

i'm not sure what boot time really has to do with, but i'm pretty sure its not all the latest and greatest hardware. my roomate has a 1ghz p3 system.....it was running 98 and it booted in about 20 seconds. i really couldn't believe it, because my 400mhz powerbook takes forever. but then again it crashed on my almost every ten minutes...literally. and lets just say that mac os x almost never crashes...because it does! and when it does its ugly. i took pictures with my digital camera if you want evidence..kinda funny...all the kernel panic garbage spit all over me desktop. but anyway, now my roomate has xp and it got a little slower, about 25 seconds to boot. so just because you have a really hot system i wouldn't immediately assoociate that with hot boot times because there seems to be a lot of wack crap going on in pc's!
 
Re: Re: Flattery, in my opinion

Originally posted by beatle888


sure, but gateway will air their ads more. possibly making it
look like their campaign idea in the first place.....honestly ive
only seen that cute imac ad twice AT MOST on tv. I dont
think this is good for apple, but im not saying it's horrible.

For a while, the mimicky iMac advertisement was running once or more an hour on CNBC and fewer times on more expensive channels.

I saw the Gateway advertisement tonight and, while not exactly thorough, it leaves enough doubt with the number of programmes available that people who won't look for a programme to discard the iMac rather quickly.

We need more games and the power to run them to entice people to use a Macintosh.
 
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I just saw the ad on Tech TV! It was horrible! all it dose is wiggle its base, which is prorbaly un-wigglable, then it does a flip over the imac and then back, then it sticks out it's puny DVD/CRW and the tray wiggles like its gonna fall off, the guy says "Gateways new profile 4 is cheap then the iMac" he forgot to ad "and crappier too" I like the ad cuz of the free publicity for Apple :)
 
Re: !

Originally posted by LimeiBook86
I just saw the ad on Tech TV!

I saw the ad as well on TechTv...that profool is a horrible looking machine, with specs to match. Gateway is slowly fading away into nothingness...the cow will finally be put to rest.. forever.
 
haven't read every post in this thread, but here's my .02
i just got my new 17 in imac and i don't see any version of the profile that would make me think twice
cheaper??? spec for spec it doeesn't really seem so, hard drive is smaller, no dvd-r option.
other than probably a fast processer the gateway doesn't seem to offer much at all.
mac will always have the adjustable swivel screen, all the cool , free software that newbies like myself love, superdrive, and jaguar.....
damn, i can't stay away from my computer, i love this thing! quick question, why does my "e" key seem to stick so much???
 
Originally posted by chrisfx811
haven't read every post in this thread, but here's my .02
i just got my new 17 in imac and i don't see any version of the profile that would make me think twice
cheaper??? spec for spec it doeesn't really seem so, hard drive is smaller, no dvd-r option.
other than probably a fast processer the gateway doesn't seem to offer much at all.
mac will always have the adjustable swivel screen, all the cool , free software that newbies like myself love, superdrive, and jaguar.....
damn, i can't stay away from my computer, i love this thing! quick question, why does my "e" key seem to stick so much???

e key? Do you mean like eMachine?
Or do you have a sticky key? If you have a sticky key, it probably is due to something having spilled in the keyboard. Most likely hair and dust. Take a business card or something that think and pass it between the keys and try and get the gunk out.
 
imac still better

but $999 gateway has fast processor at 1.7 ghz, good graphics card with 32 megs, and ddr ram and compared to beige or black box pcs, this is better than them

i think gateway has made a worthy effort for a pc but it lacks the fine details of apple's industrial engineers but gateway certainly makes better looking machines than dell, compaq hp, toshiba, or ibm

sony isn't bad, but apple is still head and shoulders above the rest and i wish the average joe computer user would see this...with less than five percent market share, people still seem glued to their windoze machines

they are just too familiar to the way microsoft works and don't know any better

i am guilty to some point since i have never given linux a try and i admit i use windows for my pc laptop when i could be using linux which is much better...and free
 
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