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Gateway vs. Apple
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Its only a commercial that I've seen so far. I saw it while the Packers beat the Browns tonight. May the Browns could use these Gateway thingy things.
Its only a commercial that I've seen so far. I saw it while the Packers beat the Browns tonight. May the Browns could use these Gateway thingy things.
My Dual 867 boots to the login window in 64 seconds. After typing my password and clicking the log in button it takes under 4 seconds to get to a usable state on the desktop.
I hope the ad backfires
This reminds me of a ViewSonic ad in a MacWorld magazine years ago. In the ad, the 17" ViewSonic monitor was pitted side-by-side again an Apple 1710AV display. Undernearth huge pictures of each monitor was a MacUser rating. The two monitors were rated the same for everything except for audio, where the Apple monitor was rated higher! Also, the Apple just looked so much nicer. The only selling point of the ViewSonic was that it was $200 cheaper ($799 vs. $999 or something like that.. I don't remember). All I remember is that after seeing the ViewSonic ad, I wanted the Apple monitor so badly!!!
I hope Gateway's new ad campign will have the same result!
This reminds me of a ViewSonic ad in a MacWorld magazine years ago. In the ad, the 17" ViewSonic monitor was pitted side-by-side again an Apple 1710AV display. Undernearth huge pictures of each monitor was a MacUser rating. The two monitors were rated the same for everything except for audio, where the Apple monitor was rated higher! Also, the Apple just looked so much nicer. The only selling point of the ViewSonic was that it was $200 cheaper ($799 vs. $999 or something like that.. I don't remember). All I remember is that after seeing the ViewSonic ad, I wanted the Apple monitor so badly!!!
I hope Gateway's new ad campign will have the same result!
boot time...
I don't know how long it would take on an imac, but I just tested on my dual 1Ghz running 10.2. From pushing the power button to having a full desktop(auto login enabled), it took about 50 seconds. From the time my monitor woke from lowpower(actually showing boot screen), it took about 20 seconds. Seems pretty fast to me.
2 things. First, why the hell do I care about this? Since I've had this mac and configured it(some reboots from software installs), I've rebooted exactly... never. One time I did have to relaunch the finder(I was doing something in terminal and long story short, I blame it on Microsoft ) And, that's rebooting. Until I just tested the boot time, I cold booted my computer exactly twice. Once when I turned it on for the first time and once after I installed more RAM (768MB)
As for the second thing. I highly recommend that you never cold boot this thing. Its loud just running normally. But when it cold boots, WHOA. Sounds like a Boeing when it brakes its turbines at landing. Some sort of afterburner bat-fan comes on for about 3 seconds. Kind of scared me actually.
Oh and for the guy that lusted after the 1710av monitor. That thing was a lemon. I have 2 of them if you are interested. Actually, the monitor I got afterwards was a Viewsonic 21". Works like a champ(using it right now).
FYI, I highly recommend upgrading to 10.2 ichat and some of the other stuff is worthless, but the speed and other tweaks(searching in any finder window rocks) are great. And it only cost me $2700 to upgrade! But that was the Big Box edition. The one that comes in the 3'x3'x2' box. And comes with a big silver tower thingy...
I don't know how long it would take on an imac, but I just tested on my dual 1Ghz running 10.2. From pushing the power button to having a full desktop(auto login enabled), it took about 50 seconds. From the time my monitor woke from lowpower(actually showing boot screen), it took about 20 seconds. Seems pretty fast to me.
2 things. First, why the hell do I care about this? Since I've had this mac and configured it(some reboots from software installs), I've rebooted exactly... never. One time I did have to relaunch the finder(I was doing something in terminal and long story short, I blame it on Microsoft
) And, that's rebooting. Until I just tested the boot time, I cold booted my computer exactly twice. Once when I turned it on for the first time and once after I installed more RAM (768MB)As for the second thing. I highly recommend that you never cold boot this thing. Its loud just running normally. But when it cold boots, WHOA. Sounds like a Boeing when it brakes its turbines at landing. Some sort of afterburner bat-fan comes on for about 3 seconds. Kind of scared me actually.
Oh and for the guy that lusted after the 1710av monitor. That thing was a lemon. I have 2 of them if you are interested. Actually, the monitor I got afterwards was a Viewsonic 21". Works like a champ(using it right now).
FYI, I highly recommend upgrading to 10.2 ichat and some of the other stuff is worthless, but the speed and other tweaks(searching in any finder window rocks) are great. And it only cost me $2700 to upgrade! But that was the Big Box edition. The one that comes in the 3'x3'x2' box. And comes with a big silver tower thingy...
I don't think too many people walk into a computer store without doing some research or looking at various models. Even if I were a PC user thinking of "switching", I'd look at an iMac if I had seen one of those switch ads (I mean, if it's so easy and for years all I've heard of is how easy, intuitive and crash-free the Mac experience is, what's a couple of minutes to see what one is like?)
The iMac is just a different beast (and it is a beast v. a cow). Frankly, Gateway's test have little relevance... my guess is that if the Gateway won more or at least blew the doors off the iMac in other tests, they would have published them. When have you seen an independent test that doesn't have at least THREE Quake tests... and a boot up test, c'mon... who cares!?! I hardly ever shut my computers off, except my Windows machines, which for whatever reason, will have blue (or sometimes orange?) screens of death when I wake them up from sleep (even though I haven't touched them in a day or two).
Plus talk about fear, I fear every time I install something on Win95 and WinME that the machine just won't startup again (or startup in "protected mode"). Adjusting control panels is always done with apprehension, because if the machine is working, I don't want to screw it up. Never had that problem with a Mac... if I adjust something and it doesn't work, I just adjust it back!
As is, I spend hours of diagnosis when there is a problem with Windows and that's just getting it to work on my LAN. Forget about trying to get it logged into my Mac (running Samba)... sometimes it shows up in the Network Neighborhood, sometimes it doesn't, don't quite know why, but adjusting any logical parameter doesn't do anything, rebooting twenty five times doesn't do anything... but everytime I want to log into the Windows machine, I just click "Connect to Server" on the Mac, type in the SMB name and I log right in!
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The iMac is just a different beast (and it is a beast v. a cow). Frankly, Gateway's test have little relevance... my guess is that if the Gateway won more or at least blew the doors off the iMac in other tests, they would have published them. When have you seen an independent test that doesn't have at least THREE Quake tests... and a boot up test, c'mon... who cares!?! I hardly ever shut my computers off, except my Windows machines, which for whatever reason, will have blue (or sometimes orange?) screens of death when I wake them up from sleep (even though I haven't touched them in a day or two).
Plus talk about fear, I fear every time I install something on Win95 and WinME that the machine just won't startup again (or startup in "protected mode"). Adjusting control panels is always done with apprehension, because if the machine is working, I don't want to screw it up. Never had that problem with a Mac... if I adjust something and it doesn't work, I just adjust it back!
As is, I spend hours of diagnosis when there is a problem with Windows and that's just getting it to work on my LAN. Forget about trying to get it logged into my Mac (running Samba)... sometimes it shows up in the Network Neighborhood, sometimes it doesn't, don't quite know why, but adjusting any logical parameter doesn't do anything, rebooting twenty five times doesn't do anything... but everytime I want to log into the Windows machine, I just click "Connect to Server" on the Mac, type in the SMB name and I log right in!
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I would rather use my old Ti99/4A than to have to use a gateway. Dell, at least, has gotten better. I like their Optiplex line (for a PC). I pity the person that falls for Gateway's lame marketing. I will celebrate when the finally go out of business (no offense to the hard workers at Gateway. I hope they are smart enough to look for another job now, and not go down with the Titanic.
If you want to see this ad tune into CNN, I saw it 3 times today!!!
Boy does it look ugly!(Note they show more iMacs then the Performance4)
Lets all hope this ad backfires!!!
Boy does it look ugly!(Note they show more iMacs then the Performance4)
Lets all hope this ad backfires!!!
false advertising...
In the apple window commercial... the point was to show the adjustability of the LCD display... with out being boring. The pixar animation promo doesn't make the iMac do anything it can't really do (other than hop around) all the movements of the arm and screen are actual. The animation never distorts the construction of the iMac.
The Profile cannot bend on it base's legs. The commercial gives the impression that the computer is as versatile as the iMac in screen postioning. Obviously they've taken creative license... if they were to use the actual movement range of thier computer... it would at most wiggle in place. I know it's a silly point...
In the apple window commercial... the point was to show the adjustability of the LCD display... with out being boring. The pixar animation promo doesn't make the iMac do anything it can't really do (other than hop around) all the movements of the arm and screen are actual. The animation never distorts the construction of the iMac.
The Profile cannot bend on it base's legs. The commercial gives the impression that the computer is as versatile as the iMac in screen postioning. Obviously they've taken creative license... if they were to use the actual movement range of thier computer... it would at most wiggle in place. I know it's a silly point...
apple needs to make an ad with the imac bitch slapping the **** out of the profile with it's screen (swing it from side to side, then crush the profile with it's half dome ) then it could end with "But can your profile do that?" and spit out it's cd drive.
) then it could end with "But can your profile do that?" and spit out it's cd drive.dude did u pick the worst gateway possible? a celeron processor with 20 gb HD? umm...from my understanding the profiles are equipped with the newest P4 (2.6 to 2.8 ghz) p800 RDRAM 80 or 120 gb HD...its actually a decent PC...but that doesn't change the fact that its a PC. I think the best part of having an apple computer is all about the user experience...if the profile 4 ran os x it'd actually be a decent computer...although it still looks like the inside of my toilet after some good ol mexican food...
the $999 Profile
Those specs are for thier "competitive" bottom of the line Profile.
The iMac for only $300 more is a steal.
By the way... I was just reading about somewhat of a scandal in the pc/intel world... apparently a major benchmarking software was constructed to skew to Intel over amd... intel was leaning on analysts to make the intel p4 sound more powerful than it really was.
http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2002/08/020826_Unwind/020826_Unwind.htm
Those specs are for thier "competitive" bottom of the line Profile.
The iMac for only $300 more is a steal.
By the way... I was just reading about somewhat of a scandal in the pc/intel world... apparently a major benchmarking software was constructed to skew to Intel over amd... intel was leaning on analysts to make the intel p4 sound more powerful than it really was.
http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2002/08/020826_Unwind/020826_Unwind.htm
Originally posted by BongHits
dude did u pick the worst gateway possible? a celeron processor with 20 gb HD? umm...from my understanding the profiles are equipped with the newest P4 (2.6 to 2.8 ghz) p800 RDRAM 80 or 120 gb HD...its actually a decent PC...but that doesn't change the fact that its a PC. I think the best part of having an apple computer is all about the user experience...if the profile 4 ran os x it'd actually be a decent computer...although it still looks like the inside of my toilet after some good ol mexican food...
The article is comparing this, the 999 gateway with this mac, the 1299 imac. So yes, I did pick the worst one possible, because that is what the article was comparing.
gateway vs apple
it may just be me but i think this is pathetic. you know a company is hurting pretty bad when they compare computers by boot up times. boot up times doesnt mean ****. i am pretty tempted to go take one of our imacs with jaguar up to the gateway store and compare them. once i put jaguar on this machine it boots up pretty damn fast, faster than my 2ghz wintel running xp. anyways, i learned one key thing when i was at an apple seminar in dallas. gateway was going near out of business but aol time warner gave them like 200 million dollars to help stay afloat. thought that was pretty interesting. they also mentioned steve jobs is really only scared or worries about 1 pc company. not dell, not gateway, or compaq, but sony. they are pushing good technology out hte door for a less price. they also told us that when firewire came out sony messed with it a little bit so they can call it ilink and not have to pay a royalty on the product. its amazing what these apple people tell you at a seminar. anyways, gateway doesnt stand a chance.
iJon
it may just be me but i think this is pathetic. you know a company is hurting pretty bad when they compare computers by boot up times. boot up times doesnt mean ****. i am pretty tempted to go take one of our imacs with jaguar up to the gateway store and compare them. once i put jaguar on this machine it boots up pretty damn fast, faster than my 2ghz wintel running xp. anyways, i learned one key thing when i was at an apple seminar in dallas. gateway was going near out of business but aol time warner gave them like 200 million dollars to help stay afloat. thought that was pretty interesting. they also mentioned steve jobs is really only scared or worries about 1 pc company. not dell, not gateway, or compaq, but sony. they are pushing good technology out hte door for a less price. they also told us that when firewire came out sony messed with it a little bit so they can call it ilink and not have to pay a royalty on the product. its amazing what these apple people tell you at a seminar. anyways, gateway doesnt stand a chance.
iJon
I just got the jag upgrade with my sisters imac and i installed it on mine(i have ordered my upgrade but didnt want to wait but i am definitly legal) i also work at uw-plattville resnet, we use only gateway on our campus and they are crap, 7 powersupplies went bad this summer plus many other problems, even my pc using freinds think it is crap. also i am no the macintosh documentation consultant for us-p resnet. very cool
I used to have a lot of respect for Gateway. Wired ran a great article about them and they genuinely appeared to care about their employees and community. My old company had a Gateway for the accountant. I once had to open the case to add some RAM and was impressed by the quality construction. Then, Gateway purchased the intellectual property of Commodore/Amiga. I thought they might be able to do something interesting. Several friends of mine have had their Gateways go south on them. Between that and these iMac comparison ads, it is sad to see a company collapse.
>(srobert) As for a Gateway alias, someone came up with a real funny one: GateLaid. I laughed this one out loud.
You like that, huh?
>(iJon) it may just be me but i think this is pathetic. you know a company is hurting pretty bad when they compare computers by boot up times.
Eventually PC comparisons will be done by shut down times.
I saw the advertisement on Netscape.com a while back and didn't save the advertisement. It featured that crappy thing bouncing from left to right with it's silver attire and all. My reaction:
"SON OF A
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You like that, huh?
>(iJon) it may just be me but i think this is pathetic. you know a company is hurting pretty bad when they compare computers by boot up times.
Eventually PC comparisons will be done by shut down times.
I saw the advertisement on Netscape.com a while back and didn't save the advertisement. It featured that crappy thing bouncing from left to right with it's silver attire and all. My reaction:
"SON OF A
So everyone knows. The reason the iMac did so poorly in the Quake test is because they tested it in Classic. The system comes with OSX as the booting system and they do not officially make Quake for OSX so they started it up it brought up Classic and they ran there tests there.
Check out www.xlr8yourmac.com today 08/27/02.
Check out www.xlr8yourmac.com today 08/27/02.
Think before you speak
Know before you speak. The Geforce 4 mx and Geforece 2 mx are both terrible, nearly identical graphics cards. The Geforce 4mx is no great improvement over the g2mx. Of course, the ti's are a different story.
Oh, and by the way guys, most people who want a DVD burner are going to buy a mac, because if they are doing work that they are going to need to burn to DVD, they're going to use Mac OS. No one doing serious video editing uses a pc. So saying that it is really going to hold them back is comples B$.
One more thing, while the profile 4 is ugly, I would like to go on record saying I THINK THE IMAC IS UGLY. While the design is innovative, and it is a great idea for apple to sell more systems, I don't think the system is aesthetically pleasing. I mean come-on! How big is that bowl on the bottum!?! It has 3x the volume of a ti powerbook. There has to be a more efficient use of space. The "mound" is just too large".
While it is nice to be able to move the screen, it is really just a novelty. How often do you really move your screen in a given day? Except when you are just smiling at your imac and moving it around, it is not very usefull.
Know before you speak. The Geforce 4 mx and Geforece 2 mx are both terrible, nearly identical graphics cards. The Geforce 4mx is no great improvement over the g2mx. Of course, the ti's are a different story.
Oh, and by the way guys, most people who want a DVD burner are going to buy a mac, because if they are doing work that they are going to need to burn to DVD, they're going to use Mac OS. No one doing serious video editing uses a pc. So saying that it is really going to hold them back is comples B$.
One more thing, while the profile 4 is ugly, I would like to go on record saying I THINK THE IMAC IS UGLY. While the design is innovative, and it is a great idea for apple to sell more systems, I don't think the system is aesthetically pleasing. I mean come-on! How big is that bowl on the bottum!?! It has 3x the volume of a ti powerbook. There has to be a more efficient use of space. The "mound" is just too large".
While it is nice to be able to move the screen, it is really just a novelty. How often do you really move your screen in a given day? Except when you are just smiling at your imac and moving it around, it is not very usefull.
I have an Athlon XP 1900+ system with 512mb of DDR ram boots in 34 seconds including BIOS. Login takes about 5 to 6 seconds. Oh, and by the way, the system cost me under 1000$ to build last september. How much does a dual 867 cost now? Gateway has a point when they say that the system has a faster boot time.
This just in... Toyota cheaper than Porche!
If Toyota was run like Gateway we'd see this press release...
In a recent discovery today, it was noted that for much less, a Toyota gives more bang for the buck than a Porsche. Compare the facts... The Porsche seats only 2 while the Toyota seats 4! Both have the same size engine. The Toyota however is 2 feet longer than a porche! The Porsche, 2 doors. The Toyota - 4 or 5 if you count the easy access hatchback model. It also has a larger glovebox and gets better mileage.
For $30,000 more, and less access to compatible parts we can't see why anyone would purchase the Porsche. Toyota parts are available in every auto parts store and cost less...
Well you get the idea. Apple should put pin stripes on all models.
However - it's pretty twisted when the Toyotas start passing the Porsches on the highway. Let's get some horsepower Apple.
If Toyota was run like Gateway we'd see this press release...
In a recent discovery today, it was noted that for much less, a Toyota gives more bang for the buck than a Porsche. Compare the facts... The Porsche seats only 2 while the Toyota seats 4! Both have the same size engine. The Toyota however is 2 feet longer than a porche! The Porsche, 2 doors. The Toyota - 4 or 5 if you count the easy access hatchback model. It also has a larger glovebox and gets better mileage.
For $30,000 more, and less access to compatible parts we can't see why anyone would purchase the Porsche. Toyota parts are available in every auto parts store and cost less...
Well you get the idea. Apple should put pin stripes on all models.
However - it's pretty twisted when the Toyotas start passing the Porsches on the highway. Let's get some horsepower Apple.
Re: Think before you speak
Well I'm in the professional video editing business. I've burned more DVDs for home videos than for professionals. To me, DVD is still the consumer world. But that could just be my market. I've had more friends and relatives inquire into getting a DVD made than all the clients I've tried to harangue into putting their projects on DVD.
And a hell of a lot more professional video editing is done on the PC. Sad but true. The King Daddy of NLEs, Avid, only produces it's top end systems on NT/2000. Avid Symphony and Avid | DS. Their jump into the HD world has only been on NT.
When Avid almost ditche the mac platform years ago, post houses were forced to jump to NT to get the latest versions of composer. It's just been recently that Avid has brought the two composer lines back into sync with each other. Still no Symphony or DS on the mac. Avid Xpress DV went 2 versions without a mac version.
I don't have any numbers for you, but you just don't see macs in the post houses anymore. Final Cut Pro is slowly making a pretty good dent in that, but it's still considered prosumer and DV even though it's scaleably to uncompressed HD.
Well I'm in the professional video editing business. I've burned more DVDs for home videos than for professionals. To me, DVD is still the consumer world. But that could just be my market. I've had more friends and relatives inquire into getting a DVD made than all the clients I've tried to harangue into putting their projects on DVD.
And a hell of a lot more professional video editing is done on the PC. Sad but true. The King Daddy of NLEs, Avid, only produces it's top end systems on NT/2000. Avid Symphony and Avid | DS. Their jump into the HD world has only been on NT.
When Avid almost ditche the mac platform years ago, post houses were forced to jump to NT to get the latest versions of composer. It's just been recently that Avid has brought the two composer lines back into sync with each other. Still no Symphony or DS on the mac. Avid Xpress DV went 2 versions without a mac version.
I don't have any numbers for you, but you just don't see macs in the post houses anymore. Final Cut Pro is slowly making a pretty good dent in that, but it's still considered prosumer and DV even though it's scaleably to uncompressed HD.