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Gateway vs. Apple

what the $999 doesn't have...

no modem...
20 gigs less HD space...
no CD-RW...

devil's in the details...

if you add the things above... the Profile costs $1159

hmmm... now what happens if we look at the eMac with the same specs... AND a combo drive... ooo lookie... $1099

it's not lcd, but the screen is bigger... if you can't adjust the LCD on a Profile... you might as well get the cheaper eMac

oh and the Profile low end with specs that match the lowend iMac and a combo drive costs... $1259

like I said... it's not cheaper... it's underequipped to SEEM cheaper.
people need to stop whining about how expensive Macs are. The consumer line is very competitive.
 
Faster Boot Speed

with a few simple tweaks you can speed up boot time.

If you're not connected to an active network, (or even if you are, but want speedier startups) go to System Preferences-->Date & Time--->Time Synchronization, and turn off "Network Time Synchronization". This will prevent the long delay at startup caused by the system searching for network time servers. Also, remove any Login Items that you don't use.
 
Reviews

Thus far I only found 3 websites reviewing both the imac and Profool and these aren't mac sites. Thus far, imac wins everywhere:

........................Imac...........Profile
ZDnet............7.8/10..........7.1/10
CNet.................8/10.............7/10
TechTV...............4/5................3/5
 
Re: Think before you speak

Originally posted by yada88


Know before you speak. The Geforce 4 mx and Geforece 2 mx are both terrible, nearly identical graphics cards. The Geforce 4mx is no great improvement over the g2mx. Of course, the ti's are a different story.

Oh, and by the way guys, most people who want a DVD burner are going to buy a mac, because if they are doing work that they are going to need to burn to DVD, they're going to use Mac OS. No one doing serious video editing uses a pc. So saying that it is really going to hold them back is comples B$.

One more thing, while the profile 4 is ugly, I would like to go on record saying I THINK THE IMAC IS UGLY. While the design is innovative, and it is a great idea for apple to sell more systems, I don't think the system is aesthetically pleasing. I mean come-on! How big is that bowl on the bottum!?! It has 3x the volume of a ti powerbook. There has to be a more efficient use of space. The "mound" is just too large".

While it is nice to be able to move the screen, it is really just a novelty. How often do you really move your screen in a given day? Except when you are just smiling at your imac and moving it around, it is not very usefull.
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Don't insult fellow members unless you know of what you speak. No the GF4MX does not offer any of the cool vertex shaders or any of the other stuff that the latest generation of graphics cards offers but it IS a lot faster then the GF2MX. In fact the GF4MX is as fast and sometimes faster then the GF2Ti.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/radeon_8500/index2.html
 
Originally posted by onemoof
My Dual 867 boots to the login window in 64 seconds. After typing my password and clicking the log in button it takes under 4 seconds to get to a usable state on the desktop.
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I have a dual 450 and it took me 63 seconds to startup the computer running 10.2. (That is including login time)
 
They look great

They have my money (NOT) for one of these pieces of garbage. Gatesway imac immation.
 

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I think someone has too much time on their hands! :D :rolleyes: :p

>(yada88) One more thing, while the profile 4 is ugly, I would like to go on record saying I THINK THE IMAC IS UGLY.

Are you talking about the 17 inch model? I originally thought likewise, but lighter, until I saw the WideMac in person. My father thought is was cool, and even said it. He also said he liked/wanted an eMac, but he already has a satisfying iMac G3 and OS 9. (Hey, pops, you have no idea what you are missing if you don't have a G4 and OS X muhahahahaha!)

Many people had the same misconceptions about the old iMac G3. However:
(1) Your assumptions aren't worth d[explicit]k until you see it in person, and
(2) I'm using that original iMac right now to type this. Truly, it's old, but it works. Plus, the "pinstripe" job certainly brings back the old and fancy times.
 
Ah, what a funny thread.

I don't suppose I can really add anything that hasn't been said before, except this...

The letters in Gateway are easy rearranged to spell getaway...coincidence, or helpful advice?
 
Gateway vs. Apple

In response to bretm post:

"It runs like a banshee. Lets not fool ourselves anymore. PCs are ridiculously snappier and faster than macs. Period. Done. End of story. My roommates 1.2 ghz win98 box is infinitely faster at simple tasks than an 800mhz imac running jaguar. Rendering and photoshop aside, surfing and using his computer is a delay-free process. There is no measurable time to open applications. That's what I want on a mac. Make it so number 1!"

I very much respect your opinion; but in my experience using Winchoke machines and Macs :)) there is not much difference; again, in my opinion based on my experience. I have a G4 500 with 1G of RAM and a new iBook 700 384MB RAM both running 10.2. And, until last Monday (when my iBook came WITH Jag: yay!) I was using a Dell P4 at work. And while IE on the Dell always seemed snappier, I believe that Jag has finally bridged the "responsiveness" gap. On both my Mac systems IE, Office X apps all load in under 4 secons; most of the time I barely see the splashscreen! After the Jag install, my little iBook was able to launch IE, Word, Excel, Entourage, iTunes, Palm Desktop, Photoshop and Illustrator in 18 seconds! Now, the Dell is still around our office, I tried launching the same office suite apps, Internet Exploder and Outlook Express... Boy did it choke! It was not pretty; Yes, IE seems snappier in operation on a Winchoke, but any latency in responsiveness in a Mac is well worth it compared to the robust foundation of the OS and all the apps you can have open and not notice a single slow-down... not a one!

Just my thoughts.

Hey, my very first Post!
 
My iBook 600, late 2001 with 256MB RAM boots into OSX10.1.5 in 1 min and 6 seconds from the chime to the log in screen. I don't think that is too bad for a 600MHz G3, I would assume the G4 iMac should boot faster then mine, and the new iBook 700 with the 750fx should be faster as well. Who really cares anyhow...if my computer is 20 seconds slower to boot up, I don't care as long as it keeps running well as it does for me. The other thing is I have Windows at my school and the computers are really fast at boot-up and opening stuff when we first get them, but they get slower and slower and slower. My iBook boots faster into OSX 10.1.5 then my school computer a Gateway with a 900MHz Celeron boots into Windows 2k. It should be faster since it has 300 more MHZ. At least that is the MHz theory most people believe.
 
Originally posted by topicolo

it takes 20 seconds to boot up to a full working desktop in WinXP on my duron 700.
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I think somebody has been smoking something here...I just tested my home system which is an Athlon XP1800, 512 Crucial CAS2, WD 80Gig 7200RPM running XP Pro and my startup time from a cold boot was 41 seconds so I just don't see how a little old duron 700 could do it in half the time.
 
Originally posted by topicolo

it takes 20 seconds to boot up to a full working desktop in WinXP on my duron 700.
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I think somebody has been smoking something here...I just tested my home system which is an Athlon XP1800, 512 Crucial CAS2, WD 80Gig 7200RPM running XP Pro and my startup time from a cold boot was 41 seconds so I just don't see how a little old duron 700 could do it in half the time.
 
Originally posted by boom-boom

Taking a quick shifty over at toms hardware guide:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020522/index.html

the Geforce4 mx in not much better than Geforce2 mx, and the iMac still got smoked maybe Apple should not try palming off second rate tech making people think they are getting something nearly as good as the Geforce4 Ti.
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I think somebody needs to get their facts straight before they shoot off their mouth. if you look at the link you referenced you will see that it does say that the GF4MX is a new version of the GF2 BUT Tom's did a review on ALL the cards they have reviewed HERE and you will see that the GF4MX is quite a bit faster than the GF2 and to make things even worse the iMac uses the GF2MX which IS a lot slower than the GF2!! Now I would also like to see where Apple is trying to 'palm off second rate tech' and say it is nearly as good as the GF4Ti?
 
Devils in the details

When comparing the Profile 4 to the imac several things became apparent. If you want the same capacity HD, speakers, a professional OS, or combo drive you had to pay extra. I added it all up and it was over 1800.00. Then the kicker, I called Gateway to "ask" some questions. When I said I wanted to burn dvds I was told that the technology didn't really work and was not perfected, plus it was not even an option. Sounds like BS from the barnyard.

BTW I stood in line till 12:30 a.m. to get Jaguar. I wonder if Gateway will ever have lines like that at their store?
 
Originally posted by Gigglebyte


I think somebody has been smoking something here...I just tested my home system which is an Athlon XP1800, 512 Crucial CAS2, WD 80Gig 7200RPM running XP Pro and my startup time from a cold boot was 41 seconds so I just don't see how a little old duron 700 could do it in half the time.
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I got the same results as you except my setup is Athlon XP, 512ECC cas2.5, wd 120gig 7200rpm running xp pro. Mine was 40 seconds. However, the motherboard did go through some system checks and if I turned those off it may go faster.
 
My iBook's boot up speed

My iBook 466mhz Graphite edition with 192mb ram took 1 minute 36 seconds to get to the login prompt. After that, it was another 17 seconds to a usable desktop. I really don't care about startup since I rarely reset my computer anyway. Getaway and their Profile suck monkey balls. I wish I lived in a big city to go over to one of their "stores" and bug em about their piece of cow crap.

This is how I would see a conversation with me and a gatelaid tech would go:

<me> Why does your Profile suck?
<Gateway dude> It doesn't suck, its top of the line!
<me> If its top of the line, then why do I have to pay extra to surf the net, and enjoy DVD's on it?
<Gateway dude> *remains quiet*

Hehehehe:D
 
Originally posted by boom-boom


Next point PDFs, well the os is built on the god damn things (well postscript anyway!)
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Quartz, is based on PDF - so yes you are right it should be faster than anything else; however, PostScript was NEVER a basis for MacOS X GUI. PostScript based GUI was first introduced in the NeXT line of machines and the "classic" MacOS was able to draw PS on the screen, but the GUI was not based on it.

BTW, It's a sad day when a company targets a specific product from a specific company by copying their concept for the advertising. Unfortunately, the herds of people seem to like Steve "DUDE" and a talking bovine, and yes they equate great computers with a weed smoking teenager and a freaking talking cow. I am afraid to face the fact that your average person is just an unsophisticated simpleton. Since we are Mac users, and not average, no reason to flame me.

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Ah, but a talking cow could be funny...if done right. Course, I think the ETrade super bowl commercial with the monkey and two old men dancing to La Cucaracha was one of the best ever...someone oughta make a switch add where the iMac come in guns a'blazin' and smokes the Getaway machine, then tips the cow. And then the cow says 'moo'. Funny.
 
Originally posted by spinner

Besides people who are going to buy a Mac are going to buy a Mac regardless of what crap Gateway puts out.
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thats a silly statement.:p
 
here's a silly statement...

"The new Gateway Profle does backflips over the iMac"

now that's silly!!!!
 
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