feakbeak said:This level of organization can only be described as anal.
'cept that it's April and the calendar is showing February 
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GayWay - the gay and lesbian discussion (aka. Any Gays here?)
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'cept that it's April and the calendar is showing February 
daveway00 said:
It's funny that the only ones willing to argue it are straight guys who will never admit to having "chosen" to be straight (e.g. they were "not straight" at some point). But there's enough scientific evidence now to close this debate. Genetics are at least a partial cause, the question now is, does nurture play any part at *all*. Personally I'd say yes, in that nurture can make a person attempt to deny their sexuality.
daveway00 said:
Ask the same quesion of any heterosexual.
Did you consciously choose to be physically attracted to the opposite sex?
In my view and my experience of many gay friends over the years, the question is absurd.
I think it is mostly genetic. I have three family members who are gay, at least, three that I know about. I doubt that is coincidence. However, life's events, particularly damatic/traumatic events, can sway ones overall feelings towards or against a specific gender. I think this is a much smaller factor and not the reason for most people's sexual preference.rainman::|:| said:
I vote for genetic too. Trust me, I was raised in a strict fundamentalist family. There's no way I would have EVER chosen to be gay, but I also wouldn't change it for the world now. Tried that as a teenager, didn't work. Not fun.
I think it's mostly a combination of genetics and hormonal influence under pregnancy.
I also think there is a larger percentage of people than most realise that are bisexual and are in that way able to more or less easily choose not to live out the homosexual part of their sexual orientation.
I also think there is a larger percentage of people than most realise that are bisexual and are in that way able to more or less easily choose not to live out the homosexual part of their sexual orientation.
gekko513 said:
That could be be why they think people have a choice-some people do. But believe me, some of us don't.
I think sexual preference is more of a sliding scale. Some people only have interest in the other gender, some only the same gender, some both... and many times it is somewhere in betweenl. I've heard many people say, "I'm into men and women, but mostly into men." Personally, I can look at a guy and think he's cute and/or attractive. I have a certain "look" in men that I like. Though, it is more of an admiration/beauty thing. The thought of being with a man just doesn't do it for me and I have thought about it. I think most non-homophobic people will admit they have, I would hope. Humans are by nature rather curious.leekohler said:
However, with women... it's effortless, works like a charm every time!I think gender identification is also a sliding scale. I am not a "macho" guy and I have no desire to be - sports and cars aren't my thing.
feakbeak said:I think sexual preference is more of a sliding scale. Some people only have interest in the other gender, some only the same gender, some both... and many times it is somewhere in betweenl. I've heard many people say, "I'm into men and women, but mostly into men." Personally, I can look at a guy and think he's cute and/or attractive. I have a certain "look" in men that I like. Though, it is more of an admiration/beauty thing. The thought of being with a man just doesn't do it for me and I have thought about it. I think most non-homophobic people will admit they have, I would hope. Humans are by nature rather curious.
I think gender identification is also a sliding scale. I am not a "macho" guy and I have no desire to be - sports and cars aren't my thing.
Funny isn't it? The stereotypes? I like rock music, baseball, track and lift weights and I'm queerer than $2 bill. Oh-and I missed out on the showtunes gene too.
leekohler said:Funny isn't it? The stereotypes? I like rock music, baseball, track and lift weights and I'm queerer than $2 bill. Oh-and I missed out on the showtunes gene too.
I would've never made the connection.
You could live in the closet and no one would know.leekohler said:Funny isn't it? The stereotypes? I like rock music, baseball, track and lift weights and I'm queerer than $2 bill. Oh-and I missed out on the showtunes gene too.
One thing I notice about most of the bisexual people i know... while they can have sex with both genders, "ready and willing" so to speak, they almost always admit that they can only form emotional bonds with one gender... That's what I think of in terms of sexual orientation, so to me a person has to be more than just slutty to be bi
As to people squarely in the middle... i've never really talked to anyone that's "picked" one orientation or the other... but i'd be more than a little curious to hear from them.. surely such a decision must be maddening?
As to people squarely in the middle... i've never really talked to anyone that's "picked" one orientation or the other... but i'd be more than a little curious to hear from them.. surely such a decision must be maddening?
rainman::|:| said:One thing I notice about most of the bisexual people i know... while they can have sex with both genders, "ready and willing" so to speak, they almost always admit that they can only form emotional bonds with one gender... That's what I think of in terms of sexual orientation, so to me a person has to be more than just slutty to be bi
As to people squarely in the middle... i've never really talked to anyone that's "picked" one orientation or the other... but i'd be more than a little curious to hear from them.. surely such a decision must be maddening?
I dated a guy like that in college. He called me crying once after we stopped hanging out and was like- "when I see a hot guy and girl walking down the street, I want them both." I didn't know what to tell him. But I think he's doing well now and lives with someone. I don't know if it's guy or a girl. It did make him crazy for a while.
leekohler said:
Maybe that's the reason I want to reject the idea of romantic bisexuality... because i'm one of those, there's-someone-for-everybody kind of people... One of my bi friends just said "well, it just means there's twice as many people in the pool". But to any bi people out there... When you're with one or the other, and I'm talking romantically and not sexually, don't you feel like you're missing out on some fundamental connection? Can men and women really offer the same thing to the same person? Most bisexual people I know that are "actively" bisexual are serial monogamists, eg go from short term (few years) relationship to the next, switching off men/women. That doesn't sound very fulfilling to me. Neither does missing out to be with one person...
daveway00 said:Okay, sadly I have to admit that I laughed out loud when i read this.
Ha-ha! I don't blame you! When he told me that I chuckled a bit too. Then I felt bad cuz he got p***ed at me.
But it ended up OK.
rdowns said:
Hmmm...how about "only the stuff you want to pops up?"
Oh, and a stable Unix core for "long uptime," natch.
mkrishnan said:Hmmm...how about "only the stuff you want to pops up?"
Wow! The innuendos are flowing now!
daveway00 said:
Huh.
Not a "lifestyle", really. Summering on Mallorca and skiing at St. Moritz whilst sipping cocktails, that's a lifestyle. Gay is... Well, at its most basic, having sex with others of the same gender. At its most honest it's forming an emotionally romantic bond with someone of the same gender. Like leekholer, I like a lot of different things not generally associated with "gay"; I like a lot of others that just scream "Mo!" I guess my point is that at a certain point I decided to abandon any attempt to conform to the expectations and characteristics of any particular group. I pursue what I am passionate about, what I enjoy, what feels right for me. I wish I could elaborate but it really is a simple feeling. I was raised in a conservative Mormon family. That never felt right to me. Living my life as I do now, not necessarily as homosexual or agnostic but simply as I see fit, feels right to me. As many have said the choice was either tailor my life to the expectations of a given group or abide by my heart, mind, and conscience. I chose the latter; for the first time in it, I'm content with my life and myself.
ColoJohnBoy said:
Thanks for a great laugh, nearly spewed Pepsi all over my screen on that.
The thing is why would anyone "choose" being Gay? Life would so much simpler for us to have chosen to be straight.
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