GayWay - the gay and lesbian discussion (aka. Any Gays here?)

[aquajet]

I honestly don't think she believes I haven't had sex. Maybe it's just as well. Moving away and ridding myself of them once and for all isn't exactly an option. When the time is right, I'll talk to her again..

All the more reason why psychotherapy is warranted. If she doesn't believe you, than there's no trust in your relationship with her. And that's no relationship at all if you ask me

 

[iGary]

Oh, by the way, Guitarus, Rob's entire family are whacked-out born-again Christians.

Basically took me (and the fact that we've been together for 6 years) to convince them he is not going to change. I even got invited for the holidays last year.

The still pray for him to be saved, and still don't approve, but they at least "get it."

It takes a lot of time with some people.

My folks were great about it, in general. They flipped a couple of times, but nothing major.

 

[Grey Beard]

I think it's important to remember that our parents grew up with gay/lesbians in the 70's and 80's when AIDS was the gay disease. So as soon as they hear that you're gay, they start to fear the worst. Hopefully, their fear will pass. My mum now pretends that she is ok with me being gay.

There's probably a sh*t load that I could tell you Mam about that period, but it was in the pre-aids latter '60's that I came out and went quite wild. It was the; I care, but no responsibility. They were great times and that'd be when I picked up being a slag, a slut, a slattern et al. And now I'm just a raconteur, and not a very good one at that. The memories are in the main, well memorable. I oft wonder what y'all be like when you look back?
Kevin
Grey Beard

 

[MontyZ]

Now, onto another very serious topic...

What's up with Martha on The Apprentice? Why doesn't she say "You're FIRED" ? Instead she says, "I have to say goodbye," with hugs and kisses. I was hoping for a bitchier Martha.

 

[Guitarius]

Now, onto another very serious topic...

What's up with Martha on The Apprentice? Why doesn't she say "You're FIRED" ? Instead she says, "I have to say goodbye," with hugs and kisses. I was hoping for a bitchier Martha.

I really wish I could get interested in any reality show except for Amazing Race. That's all watch. All I can watch.

 

[MontyZ]

I really wish I could get interested in any reality show except for Amazing Race. That's all watch. All I can watch.

I just watched The Amazing Race. Those Linz brothers are very cute! I hope they make it far so I can see more of them. I also watch Survivor. Not as much male eye-candy this year.

 

[DodgyThong]

where'd everyone go...??????????????

 

[Guitarius]

So I saw the video for that song Emerson was talking about...the humpy lump song thing...Anyway! After seeing this video, I must admit, man...that songs is an attrocity. But I can just imagine hearing that in a gay bar and all the little boys that would dance around. Could be interesting. Maybe I should start going to bars...

 

[scem0]

yeah, that's how I feel about the song.

It's horrible in general, but it's good for dancing or getting you in a sexy, confident mood. I listen to it as I walk to class and it empowers me .

I haven't seen the video though, I'm super curious. Unfortunately I don't have TV at all.

oh, and I feel that I should add that the Black Eyed Peas have some really high quality material. I definitely like their usage of Jack Johnson's 'Gone' in the song 'Gone Going' from Monkey Business. 'Gone' is probably my favorite JJ song, 'Banana Pancakes' is behind it by a bit . Great song choice.

They certainly have a knack for making good dance music that doesn't hurt your ears to listen to in a non-dance situation. We all remember 'Hey Mama' from the iPod/iTunes ads. Progressive, political lyrical content is another plus .

_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

yeah, that's how I feel about the song.

It's horrible in general, but it's good for dancing or getting you in a sexy, confident mood. I listen to it as I walk to class and it empowers me .

I haven't seen the video though, I'm super curious. Unfortunately I don't have TV at all.

oh, and I feel that I should add that the Black Eyed Peas have some really high quality material. I definitely like their usage of Jack Johnson's 'Gone' in the song 'Gone Going' from Monkey Business. 'Gone' is probably my favorite JJ song, 'Banana Pancakes' is behind it by a bit . Great song choice.

They certainly have a knack for making good dance music that doesn't hurt your ears to listen to in a non-dance situation. We all remember 'Hey Mama' from the iPod/iTunes ads. Progressive, political lyrical content is another plus .

_Emerson

OK- this is another place where we part ways musically. Jack Johnson???!!! Yawn- almost as bad as Mariah. He has no range at all and can't write a melody to save his life. He's kind of cute, though.

 

[scem0]

Jack Johnson is so mellow, great for a rainy day. I haven't listened to him in a long time, life in New York isn't as mellow as it was in Texas. So, maybe your personality just doesn't fit his style, mine doesn't anymore.

Also, his most famous tracks are from Brushfire Fairytales which is his worst album, IMO. Inaudible Melodies, Sexy Plexi, and Bubble Toes are well known tracks from that album. They are very... Dave Matthew's Band-esque. On and On and In Between Dreams are much better albums, if you ask me. Much more low-key.

His melodies are quite simple, but that's part of why they are enjoyable for me. His lyrics are also simple, but still profound. His voice is very soothing and, you guessed it, simple.

He reminds me of Norah Jones in some ways (you better not hate her too ). I've always thought that her voice matched her music perfectly. All the elements of Jack Johnson and Norah Jones (melody, lyrics, vocals, etc.) fit together perfectly to create great songs.

Oh, and he's an environmentalist . His tour buses run on biodiesel fuel. You gotta like that .

_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Jack Johnson is so mellow, great for a rainy day. I haven't listened to him in a long time, life in New York isn't as mellow as it was in Texas. So, maybe your personality just doesn't fit his style, mine doesn't anymore.

Also, his most famous tracks are from Brushfire Fairytales which is his worst album, IMO. Inaudible Melodies, Sexy Plexi, and Bubble Toes are well known tracks from that album. They are very... Dave Matthew's Band-esque. On and On and In Between Dreams are much better albums, if you ask me. Much more low-key.

His melodies are quite simple, but that's part of why they are enjoyable for me. His lyrics are also simple, but still profound. His voice is very soothing and, you guessed it, simple.

He reminds me of Norah Jones in some ways (you better not hate her too ). I've always thought that her voice matched her music perfectly. All the elements of Jack Johnson and Norah Jones (melody, lyrics, vocals, etc.) fit together perfectly to create great songs.

Oh, and he's an environmentalist . His tour buses run on biodiesel fuel. You gotta like that .

_Emerson

Norah Jones is OK, but Jack Johnson offends me. Much like Jason Mraz, he represents what's bad about American music at the moment, and that is that mediocrity rules. I could care less that he's an environmentalist. That doesn't make him a good singer.

P.S.- I'm still working on my vsit to NYC, we can argue more when I get there.

 

[Grey Beard]

where'd everyone go...??????????????

Hey DT, don't know about the rest but I was at the hospital again !!! Perhaps just as well given the new product announcements today. Maybe the other guys are having a post coitus snooze.
Kevin,
aka Grey Beard

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

You see. That's what gets me. My mother is a doctor. She's a gynocologist. How could she not be educated on HIV? Maybe she's just worrying too much. But maybe, she really believes that.

I agree that your mom is out there on her what appears to be irrational concern. Keep in mind you know that you have been celibate, but she can only trust what you say. In her work she has probably seen every denial there is ("What do you mean I am pregnant? I never had sex!").

She is only putting one and one together about your stomach troubles, and thinking of the worst because she does care about you. What you and her may not know that the stomach troubles may be psychological based.

(Firsthand experience on this - stomach problems, weight-loss, and the such many years ago. Wasn't happy with the job I had at the time, had a bad day at work {serious legal/ethic issues} and decided that federal investigations weren't worth it. I quit the next day. Surprised that 50% of my stomach problems were gone by the end of that day. Within the week I was pretty much back to normal. Within a month I was gaining weight again.)

What I sense is a lack of trust and fear on her side. And perhaps a lack of communication on your side with her. It is all well and good that you tell her that you aren't having sex. But in reading yours and emo's comments on your feelings about sex and "finding the right person"; I see that our Gay community has grown wiser since I came out in 1977. That there is a younger generation that holds the values I held when I was "Straight", of no sex till one is married - or in our case when you are sure that you have found the right person.

Does make me wonder how many parents worry like yours do about you, with their Straight children. Why the myth that AIDS/HIV is still considered by some (many) to still be a Gay disease is still so entrenched.

Take this how you may; but if I were yours or emo's father; I would be so proud of the values that you have decided to live both of your lives by. If I did not accept the fact you are Gay, I can find comfort in that the values I tried to raise you with are still being met. Much like my Mom and Dad came to realize about me.

 

[Guitarius]

Well said. I understand her fears, but I think she's going a little over board. Maybe the fact that everytime she walks into my room I'm watching movies like Philadelphia or Love! Valour! Compassion! probably doesn't help much.

But like you said about the parents of straight kids worrying. Kinda makes me wonder as well to be honest with you. It seems that HIV might be on the rise because younger people with these "values" feel when they are with the person they love, then no protection is necessary. Scares the **** out of me to be honest with you.

I'm just tired of it all. Being gay is the hardest thing I've ever done, and I never even chose to do it.

 

[scem0]

Norah Jones is OK, but Jack Johnson offends me. Much like Jason Mraz, he represents what's bad about American music at the moment, and that is that mediocrity rules. I could care less that he's an environmentalist. That doesn't make him a good singer.

P.S.- I'm still working on my vsit to NYC, we can argue more when I get there.

Yes, let's do . You just can't hold an argument that Jason Mraz is mediocre, I'm definitely going to win that argument .

We should definitely go to the Apple SoHo store when you visit and take pictures for our fellow Apple geeks.

_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Yes, let's do . You just can't hold an argument that Jason Mraz is mediocre, I'm definitely going to win that argument .

We should definitely go to the Apple SoHo store when you visit and take pictures for our fellow Apple geeks.

_Emerson

SoHo is a definite must. I need some new clothes. I'll get there- it's just tough coordinating visits with New Yorkers, at least with my friends. They're always jetting off somewhere.

And come on, you have to admit- next to Jamie Cullum, Jason Falkner, and many others who don't get the recognition they deserve, Mraz is dull. BTW-we can argue and make up later.

 

[scem0]

Jamie Cullum is definitely below Mraz when it comes to vocals. Cullum's voice, although interesting, gets old fast and is technically sub-par. Lyrically, I think Cullum < Mraz - Mraz is so clever. Jamie Cullum's instrumental compositions are probably > Mraz, but not by much, I'd say.

As for Jason Falker, I haven't heard enough of his material to make an informed argument, or to have a defined opinion on, but from what I've heard:

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_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Jamie Cullum is definitely below Mraz when it comes to vocals. Cullum's voice, although interesting, gets old fast and is technically sub-par. Lyrically, I think Cullum < Mraz - Mraz is so clever. Jamie Cullum's instrumental compositions are probably > Mraz, but not by much, I'd say.

As for Jason Falker, I haven't heard enough of his material to make an informed argument, or to have a defined opinion on, but from what I've heard:

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_Emerson

This country is doomed. But seriously, when I listen to someone, I like them to spill their guts. Technique matters little to me, passion trumps technique in my book anyday. Billie Holliday had a crappy voice too, but I'll take her anyday over the "divas"- she bled when she sang. And trust me, young Jamie is only going to get better. So- I'm assuming you hate bands like Interpol as well? What about Macy Gray? Janis Joplin?

 

[scem0]

Jason Mraz's radio material is far from passionate, and not all that good. The Remedy, which brought him his fame, is a horrible song. You and I Both was a great song, but the emotion was a bit plastic. I'll have to play Mr. Curiosity and Plane from his new album for you. That's some real emotion .

As for Interpol, I can't say I like 'em. The whole indie-pop-alt-rock stuff just doesn't mesh with me. It's more of a general sound preference. Guitar heavy music is usually like nails on a chalkboard for me. I love the acoustic guitar, the piano, and almost any other instrument, but the loud banging guitars of interpol and almost any other rock band are very abrasive on my tender little ears. Plus, I hear absolutely no passion in Interpol's music.

Although I love Jason Mraz's new album, it's not quite where my heart is regarding music. His material is a bit too contrived for my tastes, but I'm definitely a huge fan of the singer/songwriter combo. It definitely lends itself to passion. Tori Amos, Lauryn Hill, Fiona Apple, Tracy Chapman, Bjork, and some others are all favorite artists of mine, and they are singer song-writers, who are passionate about what they sing, and no abrasive guitars .

I haven't hear enough Macy Gray to say for sure, but I'd give her 6.5 or maybe 7 out of 10 based on what I've heard. Once upon a time I had her greatist hits album, I'm not sure where that disappeared to, though.

_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Jason Mraz's radio material is far from passionate, and not all that good. The Remedy, which brought him his fame, is a horrible song. You and I Both was a great song, but the emotion was a bit plastic. I'll have to play Mr. Curiosity and Plane from his new album for you. That's some real emotion .

As for Interpol, I can't say I like 'em. The whole indie-pop-alt-rock stuff just doesn't mesh with me. It's more of a general sound preference. Guitar heavy music is usually like nails on a chalkboard for me. I love the acoustic guitar, the piano, and almost any other instrument, but the loud banging guitars of interpol and almost any other rock band are very abrasive on my tender little ears. Plus, I hear absolutely no passion in Interpol's music.

Although I love Jason Mraz's new album, it's not quite where my heart is regarding music. His material is a bit too contrived for my tastes, but I'm definitely a huge fan of the singer/songwriter combo. It definitely lends itself to passion. Tori Amos, Lauryn Hill, Fiona Apple, Tracy Chapman, Bjork, and some others are all favorite artists of mine, and they are singer song-writers, who are passionate about what they sing, and no abrasive guitars .

_Emerson

I'll agree on all those you mentioned except Ms. Amos. BTW- Fiona ruined Extraordinary Machine with the version they released. The Jon Brion/web version is much better. Bjork is amazing. Well, I'm gonna get off of here and go watch the White Sox. Goodnight sweetie!

 

[scem0]

Night night.

Oh, and Ms. Amos is probably the most emotional out of all of those artists I mentioned. Her new stuff is kind of dry, but her Boys For Pele album is the second most emotional CD I've ever heard behind Lauryn Hill's Unplugged album. Little Earthquakes is quite emotional too. I'm still familiarizing myself with her music, I didn't hear Boys for Pele until relatively recently, but I totally fell in love after hearing it.

Of note, I was listening to Jewel's Pieces of You album earlier today, and I had forgotten how good it was. Same goes for Alanis Morisette's Jagged Little Pill. Definitely a lot of passion in those two albums.

The song 'Pieces of You' from Pieces of You has made me cry before...

"You say he's a ******, does it make you want to hurt him? You say he's a ******, do you want to kick in his brains? You say he's a ******, does it make you sick to your stomach? You say he's a ******, are you afraid you're just the same? ******... Fagott... Do you hate him 'cause he's pieces of you?"

When your in the closet in Texas, witnessing all kinds of homophobia around you, those lyrics can really resonate with you .

_Emerson

 

[MontyZ]

I quite like Jason Mraz. I've got several of his songs in myTunes. He's a very talented singer with a gorgeous voice, which is exhibited beautifully in the Bella Luna song on his new album.

But I enjoy everything from Damageplan and System of a Down to N'Sync and Madonna (who's new album is out in Nov.)

 

[leekohler]

I quite like Jason Mraz. I've got several of his songs in myTunes. He's a very talented singer with a gorgeous voice, which is exhibited beautifully in the Bella Luna song on his new album.

But I enjoy everything from Damageplan and System of a Down to N'Sync and Madonna (who's new album is out in Nov.)

You're gonna get it too! How dare you side with scem0! Just kidding.

 

[MontyZ]

You're gonna get it too!

Promises, promises!

Yea, well, I gotta agree with the kid on this one (and I say "kid" with the utmost respect for the youthful). Mr. Mraz is a good crooner.

So, what kind of music turns your crank, then?