Geekbench Results Visualize Possible Link Between iPhone Slowdowns and Degraded Batteries

[jsmith78]

The United States are not the world. I do not know if you get taught that the world also consists of other cultures and countries.

https://venturebeat.com/2016/05/11/android-is-eating-apples-ios-market-share-everywhere/

not to nitpick, but the smartphone market is large enough for there to really be an array of "classes" of phones;

Pointing out that sales of inexpensive smartphones out-strip high-end smartphones is somewhat of a no-brainer.

We wouldn't say that BMW is in a predicament because Toyota sells more Camrys that BMW sells 5-series? would we? Yes they are both cars and both drive, but they don't directly compete with one-another.

in the same vein, a ZTE Maven $99 doesn't directly compete with a $999 iPhone X

 

[Bacillus]

what? No it doesn't. An attempt to maintain stability due to degrading batteries would be the opposite. Until battery technology improves, this is a thing unfortunately.

So to be clear, an attempt to slow down the iphone solely to make new iphones attractive is NOT what this article is saying.
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Ahh - like tobacco companies never kill people. They do that to themselves !!

 

[sdz]

Why is this a surprise? You either get high quality or high profit margin but not both. When it comes to batteries Japanese cells are the best but Apple prefer low-quality highly-profitable cells then double dip charging you $79 for a $10 battery to replace when it dies prematurely.

Yes. Because at the end Apple is steered by controllers and accountants. When they can save even one cent, they will act accordingly.

The japanese cells without doubt are the most reliable ones (I for my self use 18650 Panasonic cells everywhere in my home projects --- the are unbeatable even under harsh conditions!).

 

[I7guy]

So in a multi-billion $ company trainees are in charge of designing goods for mass production AND apple is not accepting the wrongdoing afterwards (only when a court ordered them to accept...)

Or do you want me to believe that an experienced Engineer is not aware that critical components such as graphic chips need appropriate cooling?

It happens. 2011? That was Steve Jobs.

 

[Bacillus]

So basically Apple just can't win!

Iphone users experience random shutdowns due to degraded batteries causing low voltage shutdowns... users complain.

Apple issue a fix to reduce load on CPU to prevent low-voltage shutdowns from happening on iPhones with degraded batteries... users still complain.


I would love to know what is,

Apple do [something-something-somethng]... everybody in the world rejoices!

A simple iOS dialogue that offers the user the choice between throttling and doing nothing at all is too hard for you to assess?

 

[sdz]

So you are saying, not even Samsung makes good batteries. Got it.

not to nitpick, but the smartphone market is large enough for there to really be an array of "classes" of phones;

Pointing out that sales of inexpensive smartphones out-strip high-end smartphones is somewhat of a no-brainer.

We wouldn't say that BMW is in a predicament because Toyota sells more Camrys that BMW sells 5-series? would we? Yes they are both cars and both drive, but they don't directly compete with one-another.

in the same vein, a ZTE Maven $99 doesn't directly compete with a $999 iPhone X

Yes I know what you mean. But regarding flagship phones >500€ also Android is leading (in Europe at least!)
I am sure in China this is also true.

 

[I7guy]

Ahh - like tobacco companies never kill people. They do that to themselves !!

Or jumping off a roof. It's the builders fault.

 

[sdz]

It happens. 2011? That was Steve Jobs.

As if Steve Job had a CLUE about circuit board design.
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Or jumping off a roof. It's the builders fault.

Or the wrong doing of a doctor? It is the patient's fault.

 

[alpi123]

Sadly this just confirms my assumptions. My 6s has been getting worse and worse every day. (well, it's still very usable but you know what I mean) Battery health changes between 80% and 87% and the OS itself is slow and buggy. But the biggest impact is, once again, on the battery.

 

[C DM]

Some iPhone 6s had defective batteries. Apple is using a software cheat to throttle the cpus in the iPhone 6s because they don't want to do a full recall of all iPhone 6s batteries.

This new report says the iPhone 7 are also being throttled. What is the purpose of doing that except make those users want to do a hardware upgrade? What other reason is there to throttle iPhone 7 models?

If it's all happening as suspected, then the possible reasoning can also include that it's done to prevent some phones from shutting down prematurely if there might be something with their batteries, or to prolong battery life if it wouldn't be good otherwise. None of those might be good things in themselves, but that's still different from the conspiratorial conclusion of malicious intent (which is also one of the possibilities).

SO all those people claiming that Apple was slowing down their older iPhones to push more sales aren't crazy after all.

Nothing so far really shows the reasons or the intent behind any of this. Certainly plenty of conjectures and conclusions being drawn based on those.

 

[PickUrPoison]

when you slow a users device without telling them that it is being slowed due to a bad battery

A simple pop up stating that " device speed is degraded due to poor battery capacity, replace battery to restore full device potential" or something like that. They provided a pop up warning about 32 bit apps going away, so it can be done.

If Apple did that, some here would be screaming about how Apple was just trying to make money from battery repairs.

But seriously, there should be a way to let users know they need to have their batteries replaced.

 

[sdz]

Sadly this just confirms my assumptions. My 6s has been getting worse and worse every day. (well, it's still very usable but you know what I mean) Battery health changes between 80% and 87% and the OS itself is slow and buggy. But the biggest impact is, once again, on the battery.

The worst thing about my 6s was when running in the forest.
Ambient temperature about 2-4° celsius. The device shut off. Apple DID not want to replace the device. "Its working under specified conditions!" Yes thank you. Maybe in California. Not in Europe.

They are full of ****

 

[C DM]

If Apple truly wanted to push people to upgrade, then doing nothing to help people maintain battery life would be the best call.

Most normal people notice crap battery life versus terrible software performance they never see it.

I hear it all the time when the battery no longer lasts long enough that is what pushes people to buy a new phone. Normals don't notice apps opening slower, touch lag, keyboard lag, etc.

If Apple did that, some here would be screaming about how Apple was just trying to make money from battery repairs.

But seriously, there should be a way to let users know they need to have their batteries replaced.

There's certainly a doze of reality in all of that.

 

[sinsin07]

Plenty of evidence with CPU and battery reports posted.

The above doesn't make any sense. This what you posted:

Hey whatever you say, keep fighting for Apple and blindly ignoring the obvious.

You claimed I am ignoring the obvious but have not shown where I have ignored the obvious.
There was no opinion (by me) one way or the other about whether the battery issue is true or false.
There was no opinion (by me) one way or the other whether Apple intentionally slows down devices to cover bad batteries in an attempt to avoid free battery replacements.
I never opined one way or the other on the various claims about Apple, batteries etc. in this thread.

Because I chose to upgrade every year is not proof that I am "blindly ignoring the obvious"; rather that is a blind assumption in your imagination.

I will take part of a lawsuit and will speak my mind and the truth no matter how much you complain and try to argue and act like everything is fine and Apple is great for doing what they're doing.

Yeah sit back and wait for someone else. Play your own violin while your at it.
Don't try and deflect, there is no compliant in my post you can find.
Your completely free to speak your mind. Your 48 other post on the subject is a testament to that:
Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level

That's my choice, your choice is to continue handing them your money while they rip you off.

I pay for a device, I use it one year and trade it in for an updated device.
The ripoff is only in your bubble.[/URL]

My apologies if pointing out the fallacies of your original post got you bent out of shape.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

Apple currently knows of iPhone 6s battery issues that causes shutdowns and there's even a program for it.

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Of course, people having shutdown problems will want to take advantage of this program to get a repair for the faulty phone.

Now we see that Apple changed the software so that users don't see these shutdown problems while leaving them with faulty hardware that doesn't work as well as it originally did, or as marketed and advertised.

Apple are making people with this known issue unaware of the issue to avoid the responsibility of fixing it.

 

[NT1440]

Even if a reboot brings it back to normal.
WHY THE HELL must we do that to get a not crippled performance????????

....It's just pointing out that there is more to this than "Battery @ X%, degrade performance".
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Apple currently knows of iPhone 6s battery issues that causes shutdowns and there's even a program for it.

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Of course, people having shutdown problems will want to take advantage of this program to get a repair for the faulty phone.

Now we see that Apple changed the software so that users don't see these shutdown problems while leaving them with faulty hardware that doesn't work as well as it originally did, or as marketed and advertised.

Apple are making people with this known issue unaware of the issue to avoid the responsibility of fixing it.

Do you have any evidence to show the two are linked?

I ask because I got my battery replaced under that program months ago. The program exists because there was a bad batch of batteries, not due to some performance issues.

I don't think you've proven an inch of the assertion you've made, and instead just conflated two things to suite your narrative.

 

[dumastudetto]

Apple currently knows of iPhone 6s battery issues that causes shutdowns and there's even a program for it.

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Of course, people having shutdown problems will want to take advantage of this program to get a repair for the faulty phone.

Now we see that Apple changed the software so that users don't see these shutdown problems while leaving them with faulty hardware that doesn't work as well as it originally did, or as marketed and advertised.

Apple are making people with this known issue unaware of the issue to avoid the responsibility of fixing it.

This is conjecture on your part.

 

[Act3]

Certainly plenty of conjectures and conclusions being drawn based on those.

yes and they will continue until and if apple makes a statement on this issue

 

[dumastudetto]

yes and they will continue until and if apple makes a statement on this issue

People will move on by Wednesday.

 

[Bacillus]

Getting rid of Joni's anorexia syndrome and provisioning a decent battery would have prevented all this hassle.

 

[I7guy]

As if Steve Job had a CLUE about circuit board design.

Opining on how people believe all was under control under his tenure. Maybe not.
Or the wrong doing of a doctor? It is the patient's fault.[/QUOTE]
No, it’s the builders fault.

 

[NT1440]

Getting rid of Joni's anorexia syndrome and provisioning a decent battery would have prevented all this hassle.

Please, elaborate on how a bigger battery of the same composition would have any effect on performance as said battery degrades?

 

[I7guy]

Getting rid of Joni's anorexia syndrome and provisioning a decent battery would have prevented all this hassle.

Doesn’t explain the note 7.

 

[nvmls]

No company is too big for failure.

If they keep getting caught up in problems like this, more people are bound to notice. A few lawsuits and lower product demand, you're bound to see a change. Right now they don't see an issue, doesn't mean that it'll stay this way forever.

Apple is exploiting the game brilliantly from an economic perspective, current consumers in the end are supporting these practices.

Many have been waiting for that "change" you mention since Cook practices took over, the pattern has been very explicit, amplifying margins, removing options/ports/features/buggier software/stagnant UIs/force consumers to buy newest models for colors (iMac Pro) same with better hardware on some models (tbMBP vs nonTB, iPhones: SE vs regular vs Plus size), fail to impact any of their economic success on improved user experience since Jobs, etc.

They are selling more than ever.. I know, says nothing good for some customers who appreciated a balanced company which focused on user experience rather than keeping up their cash mountain at all costs. If you see this forums often, most people tend to argument Apple is at it's best just because of stock price and amount of devices sold, even after several fiasco "upgrades" such as the new tbMBP or iMac Pro, imagine for some the butterfly keyboard is the best apple has put out.. that's how good their marketing is

 

[Act3]

People will move on by Wednesday.

lol, kinda like people moving on after this was discovered a couple weekends ago. And then more stuff on it comes out today. Ok