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- Primate Labs showing their scores vs battery charge percentage.

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While there’s definitely something going on here, it’s impossible to determine without a lot more testing.

Red text - I don't think PL's GB app captures batter charge. At least I don't see it anywhere in my GB results.

Black text - I agree, but I think there's enough information that the burden of response has shifted to Apple.
 
My iPhone 5s suffered a swollen battery, which was pushing the screen out, when it was over three years old. This summer, I decided to replace it myself with a used original battery (that a friend had taken out of a defective 5s) which was in perfect condition at 100 % of its design capacity. Funnily enough the manufacturing date (still 2013) determined the replacement battery to be even a little older than my own 5s, don't know how it's even possible that it's still in such a good state.

Now half a year of normal daily usage later, the "new" battery is still at 96 % health. After first updating to iOS 11, my 5s suffered drastic performance and battery life degradation, but that was only for a few days (perhaps due to spotlight indexing or whatever background processes), a week later everything was back to normal.

My iPhone 5s is now about four years old. It's still a perfectly capable device running iOS 11.2.1 just fine.
I'm only getting the X because I want to, not because my 5s would force me to.

Apple is the very least company I'd ever suspect of planned obsolescence. Never has one of the numerous devices (up to 18 years old) I've owned given me reason to think otherwise.
 
Depending on how Apple handles this may determine whether I buy another iPhone. My 2 year old iPhone 6 runs at about 60% power (91% capacity).
 
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iPhone X is the last time I'll buy the most expensive phone model.
It's great, but not THAT much greater. At the end of the day, it's a disposable item.
1.5 years from now, Apple will treat it as old crap and do crap like this to it.
The $300+ premium I paid will mean literally nothing.

Should've bought an iPhone 8.

I saw the iPhone X in the shop. Yes it looks nice and different. But at the end: It is the same iOS **** like on any other iPhone. Who cares.

I am happy with my iPhone 8+.
 
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I don’t doubt you have had issues, I guess it may of not been replicable in the warm Apple store!

If there’s proof it’s a defective or faulty battery then Apple should absolutely be replacing them.

Yea it seemed to only shutdown when I’m outside running when I have GPS and 4G on plus the cool weather. No way to replicate it in store. The diagnostic tests that is run seems to only check for existing capacity, voltage, etc.
 
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Is it me or does it sound like people think only batteries in Apple's products degrade over time? What this bs lawsuit everyones on about, this is a known trait with batteries in all brands and all products from your phone to your car. So people were complaining that the safety shut down was annoying them, FIX IT.. apple makes some tweaks to fix it .. yeah fix it not have it magically renew itself like the fountain of youth.
 
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Why is this a surprise? You either get high quality or high profit margin but not both. When it comes to batteries Japanese cells are the best but Apple prefer low-quality highly-profitable cells then double dip charging you $79 for a $10 battery to replace when it dies prematurely.
 
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Apple is the very least company I'd ever suspect of planned obsolescence. Never has one of the numerous devices I've owned given me reason to think otherwise.

HAHA. Good joke. I think you need some kind of caretaker if you REALLY believe that.
Me and two friends were cheated by APPLE on the MacBook PRO 2011 model.
Can you imagine a graphic card which is not cooled by a fan?

 
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I don't have a problem with power management routines reducing CPU speed to compensate for low battery capacity - what I have a problem with is Apple HIDING WHAT THEY DID, and not allowing the user to have a choice. That's pretty shameful.

Apple, put a setting in the dang battery settings that allows a user to choose "longer battery life -vs- better performance". A 3 or 4 position slider would be perfectly adequate.

What's the power saving mode for? I think it sounds like you want a android if you want that level of control.
 
Is it me or does it sound like people think only batteries in Apple's products degrade over time? What this bs lawsuit everyones on about, this is a known trait with batteries in all brands and all products from your phone to your car. So people were complaining that the safety shut down was annoying them, FIX IT.. apple makes some tweaks to fix it .. yeah fix it not have it magically renew itself like the fountain of youth.

I don't think that :)
 
"In other words, after iOS 10.2.1 was released last January, the performance of a percentage of iPhone 6s devices began to suffer."

How is always how can u keep the same performance when u are adding more features which would slow it down? The hardware doesn't change on the same phone just because the OS changes... so at some stage, your gonna have issues after the "upgrade"

That doesn’t explain why MOST 6S units (shown on Primate Labs graphs) have kept the same ~2500 performance of the older iOS version.
 
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HAHA. Good joke. I think you need some kind of caretaker if you REALLY believe that.
Me and two friends were cheated by APPLE on the MacBook PRO 2011 model.
Can you imagine a graphic card which is not cooled by a fan?

A sample size of one, or evern two opinions if proof positive of this?
 
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Anyone having the same problem as me?

My iPhone 6s battery depletes within 45 minutes of moderate gaming (at least sort of). The battery will go from 100 to 1% -- however, the phone still works for almost an hour at 1%. It makes it really tough to actually gauge how much life I actually have left.

I'm trying to hold out as long as possible, hoping this will last until the next upgrade cycle.

Have you tried doing a complete charge cycle at once? Take your iPhone, charge it to 100 % (e.g. overnight), then use it until it shuts down without charging in between and then charge it again to a 100 %.

If after that your battery percentage is still behaving erratically, try and do a clean install (restore) via iTunes.

If all doesn't help, it might just actually be your battery.
 
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If Apple truly wanted to push people to upgrade, then doing nothing to help people maintain battery life would be the best call.

Most normal people notice crap battery life versus terrible software performance they never see it.

I hear it all the time when the battery no longer lasts long enough that is what pushes people to buy a new phone. Normals don't notice apps opening slower, touch lag, keyboard lag, etc.
 
That doesn’t explain why MOST 6S units (shown on Primate Labs graphs) have kept the same ~2500 performance of the older iOS version.

Then why does doing a "set up as new iPhone' work better over a simple update of the OS, if the OS slows it down, the phone would always be slow regardless of what you do..

Which is false.. As a clean set up is always better within the limitation of hardware. Put it this way, an upgrade is always gonna be slower over time than a new install..

I'm on 6S ... i should be having problems then as i'm still on 10.3.3
 
A sample size of one, or evern two opinions if proof positive of this?

There was a class action lawsuit. Otherwise I would not get a free MacBook Logic Board repair (in Germany). Thank you for your justice system.

So get your facts right. Many many people were affected.

Guess what: Even after getting a new logic board, the device died (same way) just like Louis Rossmann prefigured.
 
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Everyone with an iPhone I know takes their devices into Apple to get checked out. A bad battery would be quickly diagnosed as being faulty.
Hardly. My wife's iphone 6 GPS crapped out on her after the iOS 11 update. Took it to the apple store and was quoted $300 to repair it. Played around with it, hit "Reset network settings" and fixed it myself in about 15 minutes and for $0. Apple wanted nothing to do with it, and refused to support their terrible OS update.
 
If Apple truly wanted to push people to upgrade, then doing nothing to help people maintain battery life would be the best call.

Most normal people notice crap battery life versus terrible software performance they never see it.

I hear it all the time when the battery no longer lasts long enough that is what pushes people to buy a new phone. Normals don't notice apps opening slower, touch lag, keyboard lag, etc.

Sure, I will buy another 800€ iPhone that lasts 1 year.
The consequence would be: This hardware is sh.t -- I will buy a product from the competitors.
 
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Is it me or does it sound like people think only batteries in Apple's products degrade over time? What this bs lawsuit everyones on about, this is a known trait with batteries in all brands and all products from your phone to your car. So people were complaining that the safety shut down was annoying them, FIX IT.. apple makes some tweaks to fix it .. yeah fix it not have it magically renew itself like the fountain of youth.

I haven’t seen anyone suggesting that.

So if "fixing" something while degrading some other part of the device, is it really a fix?

I bought my 6s, with an advertised A9 processor that runs 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8. I expect that performance along with not having it mysteriouly reboot all the time. So they fixed it so it has no more random reboots, but now it runs slower.
 
Sure, I will buy another 800€ iPhone that lasts 1 year.
The consequence would be: This hardware is sh.t -- I will buy a product from the competitors.

If that is your conclusion and ultimate decision, good luck to you. People absolutely have the right to vote with their wallets if they are unhappy. Apples sales numbers suggest customer sat numbers are still off-the-charts, but there will always be a tiny number who feel differently.
 
If that is your conclusion and ultimate decision, good luck to you. People absolutely have the right to vote with their wallets if they are unhappy. Apples sales numbers suggest customer sat numbers are still off-the-charts, but there will always be a tiny number who feel differently.

The United States are not the world. I do not know if you get taught that the world also consists of other cultures and countries.

https://venturebeat.com/2016/05/11/android-is-eating-apples-ios-market-share-everywhere/
 
There was a class action lawsuit. Otherwise I would not get a free MacBook Logic Board repair (in Germany). Thank you for your justice system.

So get your facts right. Many many people were affected.

Guess what: Even after getting a new logic board, the device died (same way) just like Louis Rossmann prefigured.
That's not proof of anything, except maybe a poor engineering design choice.
 
Why is this a surprise? You either get high quality or high profit margin but not both. When it comes to batteries Japanese cells are the best but Apple prefer low-quality highly-profitable cells then double dip charging you $79 for a $10 battery to replace when it dies prematurely.
So you are saying, not even Samsung makes good batteries. Got it.
 
That's not proof of anything, except maybe a poor engineering design choice.

So in a multi-billion $ company trainees are in charge of designing goods for mass production AND apple is not accepting the wrongdoing afterwards (only when a court ordered them to accept...)

Or do you want me to believe that an experienced Engineer is not aware that critical components such as graphic chips need appropriate cooling?
 
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