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General Motors to Phase Out Apple CarPlay Starting This Year in EV Transition
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Agreed. I had little interest in the Apple Car, especially when there were reports that they might partner with Hyundai to make it.
But with GM dropping CarPlay support for their EVs, I might reconsider waiting to see what an Apple Car looks like and who they partner with, if anyone, to manufacture it.
John Markoff (@Markoff@sfba.social)
Wow. If this is true GM just lost a buyer… I lease a Bolt, but like a lot of people I see a car as a peripheral. Sorry GM, you seemed to be going in the right direction. Despite the fact that a lot of the Bolt feels like its designed by committee…...
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If this removal gets some traction in the press I predict GM is going to start making that "back up beeping sound" delivery vans do sooner, rather than later.
John Markoff (@Markoff@sfba.social)
Wow. If this is true GM just lost a buyer… I lease a Bolt, but like a lot of people I see a car as a peripheral. Sorry GM, you seemed to be going in the right direction. Despite the fact that a lot of the Bolt feels like its designed by committee…...
This guy is a well known tech reporter / author.
If this removal gets some traction in the press I predict GM is going to start making that "back up beeping sound" delivery vans do sooner, rather than later.
I’d like to think so…
But they are salivating over mega juicy subscription revenue
Sound like any companies we know?
The thought of huge SAAS revenue clouds the judgement of otherwise smart folks
Not having Apple CarPlay as an option is a reason I wouldn't even consider a certain car. Much prefer to have the option. Not that I've considered a GM car ever. Happy with my BMW i3 for now.
John Markoff (@Markoff@sfba.social)
Wow. If this is true GM just lost a buyer… I lease a Bolt, but like a lot of people I see a car as a peripheral. Sorry GM, you seemed to be going in the right direction. Despite the fact that a lot of the Bolt feels like its designed by committee…...
This guy is a well known tech reporter / author.
If this removal gets some traction in the press I predict GM is going to start making that "back up beeping sound" delivery vans do sooner, rather than later.
GM has been working with Google for years, and what the heck would that guy know about anything?
People here are so ridiculous in their judgment for something that isn't even out yet. The full scope of the rollout and what the software will do isn't known (I've seen it). GM is not supporting CarPlay, it says nothing about Google 🙃.
Exactly my case. When I bought my Teslas they were so far ahead of anyone else in everything else it far outweighed them not having CarPlay. It turned out Tesla's system is pretty darn good (and way better than any system I had in my previous vehicles). I highly doubt though I'll look at any other vehicle that isn't a Tesla or doesn't have CarPlay again though.
I just don’t understand the either/or of this. Surely it’s not that hard to make the screens in a car agnostic to whatever system is displaying content?
I drive an 05 Volvo, and I’m excited for Airplay when I get around to spending a measly $200 for wireless CarPlay.
Im not sure if modern car software is architected to be completely reliant one whatever is serving the UI, but if it is, that’s incredibly stupid. The infotainment system on principle shouldn’t be able to prevent the basic car from functioning safely (glares at touch screen buttons).
I drive an 05 Volvo, and I’m excited for Airplay when I get around to spending a measly $200 for wireless CarPlay.
Im not sure if modern car software is architected to be completely reliant one whatever is serving the UI, but if it is, that’s incredibly stupid. The infotainment system on principle shouldn’t be able to prevent the basic car from functioning safely (glares at touch screen buttons).
They are wanting to get into subscription requirements and more data tracking (which they already do a ton of with OnStar)
They want to monetize their drivers...great!
"honey, why are we getting all these no-tell-motel ads on our car/phone/desktop?"
"gee, I don't know."
"honey, why are we getting all these no-tell-motel ads on our car/phone/desktop?"
"gee, I don't know."
They exist, but the challenge is integrating them with the car’s bus and controls. Add to that the need for custom bezels in many cars and the cost gets to the point the market is so small it’s not worth it.
I installed one in one of my cars, but it uses the existing screen so I did not have to replace the in dash unit, only add a box to the head unit.
I heard in the 70s back seat entertainment was much more fun and did not cost a Cent
Yea, but sometimes you wound up with an unplanned multiyear subscription.
Having driven an electric BMW 5 series, an EV can be very fin to drive.
I get that, capitalism will always find a way to eke out more for what was previously just part of the deal.
What I don’t get is removing one of the most popular things that *regular people* (aka not techies, and not car junkies) care about when buying (after the size/cost of what your looking for has been determined).
1. Is the seat comfy?
2. Cup holder access
3. My tunes bro!
This is myopic and just plain stupid. I'm a very happy GM owner: Chevy Volt. Have been considering moving to a Blazer or something else on their new Ultium Platform. But they need to know that the lack of CarPlay is a non-starter. If they continue on this path they will lose this buyer; and I cannot imagine I'm alone with this decision.
Bad move GM! Bad move.
Bad move GM! Bad move.
Looks like I can move on from buying a Corvette
I bought a new car last summer, and I didn’t even consider the ones that didn’t have wireless CarPlay.
It's so funny when this kind of thing happens, because certain brands can afford to be more closed because of their status or value proposition.
Tesla can afford to ignore CarPlay because a) it's a Tesla and lots of people specifically want a Tesla, and b) their own infotainment system is pretty good for a first party (I still prefer CarPlay though).
GM saying "hey instead of your favourite car interface, use our own shxtty one!" has me like lmao who tf are you
Tesla can afford to ignore CarPlay because a) it's a Tesla and lots of people specifically want a Tesla, and b) their own infotainment system is pretty good for a first party (I still prefer CarPlay though).
GM saying "hey instead of your favourite car interface, use our own shxtty one!" has me like lmao who tf are you
And here I was holding out hope that GM would adopt CarKey support soon.
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Hmm, seems different to what’s described here: https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/volvo-update-adds-apple-carplay/
Sorry to hear you can’t use it. Hopefully it’s still all good for CarPlay when I hope to buy later this year.
Was going to say something about Opel and Vauxhall but it turns out that Stellantis bought them in January 2021.
So they are apparently in the same stable as Peugeot, Fiat, Chrysler, Citroen, Opel, Dodge in Europe now but I am not sure how that relates (if at all) to GM in the US nowadays.
There's an old story out there saying that a certain percentage of car buyers will swerve a brand if they don't offer CarPlay - and Apple iPhone owners are generally more affluent that your average Android owner.
Don't forget the fact that Tesla don't offer CarPlay (or Android Auto) - this might also be a factor but you'd have to imagine the price of adding an AppleOS to a car probably won't be cheap when up against a likely sweetened deal from Google who want data from their 'customers' as part of the deal.
This forum will obviously have more than a fair share of users who will claim that GM and their subsidiary brands are now off the table for them.
So do car manufacturers think that adding CarPlay is too costly or complex? Or perhaps they are afraid that at some point Apple is going to pull the trigger on an Apple Car?
In my opinion Apple really shouldn't be wasting time trying to get a driverless car sorted - they could really just get a competent electric car off the ground with CarPlay built in and get someone to contract build it.
Certainly they should be capable of doing something better than the poor recent attempts by VAG (Volkswagen, Audi, Seat, Cupra, Skoda, Bentley and maybe Porsche) group? The issue is that Apple will be wanting serious money to license a native CarPlay OS.
The USA is a completely different world. iMessage and Carplay seem to be essential features by many.
Everywhere else we use WhatsApp and Bluetooth 🤷♂️
Having used Carplay, AA, and the normal bluetooth method, honestly there's nothing between them. The key difference seems to be that you have a large screen that you shouldn't be looking at when driving vs your phone being and connected by bluetooth.
Carplay and AA both crashed quite frequently, enough to become annoying, and that happened regardless of using the car's inbuilt unit or a high end aftermarket. Add in the annoyance of always needing a USB cable connected, unless you're fortunate/wealthy enough to have the wireless variants, and it's just not a system that's ready for prime time yet.
Again I completely understand why people would want to use it, the UI on the larger screen certainly looks good. Functionally though it's missing quite a bit. It's far quicker, easier, and more convenient for me to just grab my phone off of the popsocket/magsafe mount, slap in an address or select music etc. Leaning over and trying to tap things into a clumsy display with a single hand, not so fun.
Siri etc still work over bluetooth and the car's built in mic system, so I don't lose anything there either if I need to legally do something on my phone while the car is moving.
Everywhere else we use WhatsApp and Bluetooth 🤷♂️
Having used Carplay, AA, and the normal bluetooth method, honestly there's nothing between them. The key difference seems to be that you have a large screen that you shouldn't be looking at when driving vs your phone being and connected by bluetooth.
Carplay and AA both crashed quite frequently, enough to become annoying, and that happened regardless of using the car's inbuilt unit or a high end aftermarket. Add in the annoyance of always needing a USB cable connected, unless you're fortunate/wealthy enough to have the wireless variants, and it's just not a system that's ready for prime time yet.
Again I completely understand why people would want to use it, the UI on the larger screen certainly looks good. Functionally though it's missing quite a bit. It's far quicker, easier, and more convenient for me to just grab my phone off of the popsocket/magsafe mount, slap in an address or select music etc. Leaning over and trying to tap things into a clumsy display with a single hand, not so fun.
Siri etc still work over bluetooth and the car's built in mic system, so I don't lose anything there either if I need to legally do something on my phone while the car is moving.
So short-sighted - there are plenty of comparable choices. When I was last car-shopping, CarPlay was a deal-breaker. I didn't stay with Toyota (who my previous two cars across 20 years had been with) because they weren't supporting CarPlay at the time. I wouldn't buy a Tesla for the same reason (even though their software is leagues better than most carmakers and they've been very smart about integration).
CarPlay and Android Auto give us control over the experience. Not giving that up, period.
CarPlay and Android Auto give us control over the experience. Not giving that up, period.
I’d never buy a new car WITHOUT Apple Car Play!