Horrible, horrible for consumers. Creating a monopoly by force of law instead of competition. Horrible, just horrible. I officially HATE Apple now.
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German Injunction Against Sale of Galaxy Tab 10.1 Upheld
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Apple is the only one manufacturing iPads and iPhones. No other vendors can sell products with those name, thanks to a little something called trademark law.
What you see in that video is some guy who customized his home screen to have a bunch of icons. You can also have different widgets, no icons at all, etc... Notice he still has the Google search widget at the top.
And that's the i9000 Galaxy S running on Froyo, not the Honeycomb tablet.
Cherry picked evidence is cherry picked.
Here is how the real i9000 looks like :
The application drawer is where you find the grid of icon layout.
All the promo blurb I saw for the phone had the app selection screen looking like the iPhones. So your your saying that samsung put a screen on the front of their boxes that doesn't look anything like the app selection screen that you actually get as default? Pretty weird thing for a company to..
Even this review mentions how the iPhone and the samsung s could have been separated at birth they were so similar..
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s-689293/review
The review even has the app grid looking like apples one with the bottom app icons seperated off. So the reviewer customised his screen just for the review right?
Mmmmm...
The App selection screen is something called the App drawer and yes it is not the default desktop UI at all. It is something you pull up.
And the "promo" blurbs you probably saw is the Apple cherry picked evidence, I'm sorry to say. Don't worry, most people that are not into Android never bothered to look up how Android/TouchWiz work and don't know any details beyond the FUD spread on MacRumors and AppleInsider.
Why would I buy a white man's product?
And if apple is so innovative, why don't they make everything inside that iphone and ipad? why can't they design a NAND or a better memory or a revolutionary SOC manufacturing process? Becuase they simple don't know how to. Just making a rectangle covered with glass and writing a few lines of codes makes them innovative. "innovattion" sounds like a bitch in the forums.
So just for the record.. You don't feel that the original galaxy s in that tech radar review where the iPhone and the galaxy s are side by side look similar? Even when all android phones before had 4 small buttons on the bottom and this galaxy s has a big centre button?
And your also saying that samsung never used this exact screen in any of their promotional material for the galaxy s?
And you can't understand why any one let alone a high court judge in Germany could see a resemblance between the samsung phone and the best selling smart phone in the world?
Btw,
From what I remember all the app grid selectors I've seen on android and symbian do not have a fixed favourites bar at he bottom. They all allow u to scroll down the screen.
It's probably a bad idea to hang an argument on such, since the basis could change.
Apple has accused HTC of violating a patent Apple got from their NeXT purchase.
Apple also just spent a lot of money buying Nortel patents. They could easily start using those offensively, as they almost certainly will in order to get some return on their investment.
Those competitors sold billions of phones and millions of tablets over the past two decades, creating the base market, hardware and infrastructure that many of Apple's devices need.
Changing the visual style of something is far easier than creating the base that a device totally relies upon to exist or work at all.
In Germany, Apple's injunction request had several parts:
- The community design from 2004.
- Packaging trade dress (white box, picture, product inside on top).
- Product dress (rounded glass rectangle with even screen borders).
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Playing devil's advocate for a second, you do have to admit that Touchwiz can be little too inspired by iOS at times. Glorified skin though it may be.
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Because why should they design it themselves, when they have specialized companies they can buy them from? Apple, like just about every other hardware company, designs the motherboards and chassis around already established technologies, then ships them off to big fab companies to mass produce them.
Just because they don't design every single piece of their equipment, from the screen, down to the processor, ram, and flash storage doesn't mean they're completely inept at hardware design. If you're designing your own car, does that mean your have to spend R&D time making a new galvanized rubber tire? Why do that you've got Kumho, Cooper, and Goodyear doing a great job of it already? If you need something a little more specialized, then send them the specs and blueprints and see if they can build a special order. Doing otherwise would be a huge waste of time and money.
This is insane. Apparently the judge issued this ruling based on the drawings in the design patent and not the actual device.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...or-german-samsung-galaxy-tablet-10-1-ban.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...or-german-samsung-galaxy-tablet-10-1-ban.html
NeXT was founded by Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs brought the NeXT crew over to Apple. Steve Jobs became CEO of Apple. Your example has all of zero relationship to the HTC situation.
What Apple does in this area remains to be seen. And it wasn't just Apple, it was a consortium led by Apple.
And then Apple completely destroyed, or altered, or otherwise turned their entire worlds upside down. Them's the breaks.
Apple ushered in a completely new mobile paradigm. "Changing the visual style of something", as you stated, destroyed a decade of MS' WinMo strategy, almost made Motorola go dark for a year (they ended up folding into Google anyway), destroyed Palm, forced HP to completely re-evaluate their business, sent RIM into a downward spiral, sent Nokia into a downward spiral, gave rise to Android (nice notes, Eric), changed the face of handheld gaming (poor Nintendo) and is singularly responsible for the incredible industry shifts that have taken place since 2007 (the rise of mobile as a viable and robust computing platform.)
Not bad for "changing the visual style of something." Clearly a ridiculous (though I assume not ignorant) understatement.
Quite mature, aren't you?
the issue regards the design of the tab, and so they can't sell the tab until samsung creates something sufficiently unique from the iPad. So Samsungs no longer allowed to imitate Apple's iPad (in Germany at least) and needs to create a new product that is less of a clone of another product on the market, but somehow that makes Apple the bad guys for making samsung create something at least remotely unique? Do you even know what's going on with the case or are you just going off of what other apple haters are saying?Apple is the bad guy, this does nothing for innovation (like someone said) it just makes other companies fear making something because big bad apple might try to sue the pants off of them for using a square.
The products are completely different from one another if you get past the square design.
Ridiculous that they used the drawings to draw that conclusion rather than the final products.
I'm telling you if there is ever a day I feel like I could get some possible benefit from a tablet over a computer I'm definitely not going Apple.
That generic appearance has been around for years in concept or actual product when it comes to tablets. Apparently apple fears Samsung...though to tell you the truth the Mototolla Xoom has the most potential.
The products are completely different from one another if you get past the square design.
Ridiculous that they used the drawings to draw that conclusion rather than the final products.
I'm telling you if there is ever a day I feel like I could get some possible benefit from a tablet over a computer I'm definitely not going Apple.
That generic appearance has been around for years in concept or actual product when it comes to tablets. Apparently apple fears Samsung...though to tell you the truth the Mototolla Xoom has the most potential.
Quite mature, aren't you?
The second option.
Funniest thing I've read in awhile.
How unconscionable that a company like Samsung is being forced to follow patent law.
Plenty of other tablet options that haven't infringed on Apple's patents or intellectual property. Making an alternative and better product is competition. Stealing and capitalizing on other people's or company's ideas and selling them as your own is not.
LOL What?
http://hothardware.com/News/Motorola-Report-Reveals-Terrible-Xoom-Sales/
http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal-tech/tablets/229402272
The XOOM was DOA, now its just the laughingstock of the Android tablets.
Based off of your little rhetoric following the "if apple is so innovative..." opening, I'm inclined to believe that you don't even know what innovative means. If apple is innovative for "just making a rectangle and writing a few lines of code" then why not enlighten us on why they tend to succeed far beyond many other companies? Sounds so easy to be innovative according to your definition. Do you happen to be particularly "innovative" yourself or do you just enjoy trivializing the innovations and efforts made by successful companies from behind your computer monitor?
Except no one really wants them. A lot of them are DOA or soon to be on fire-sale.
Apple's "monopoly" by popularity and product strength. Horrible! Fie!
Of course she did. Because the design in the design patent is what is protected. Even if Apple wasn't building and selling iPads at all, the design patent would be protected (although Apple would have problems claiming unfair competition by Samsung). And if Apple didn't have a design patent, then it would be very difficult to stop Samsung from copying. So the judge definitely had to compare Samsung's device and Apple's design patent.
That's how a preliminary injunction in Germany works. What you may be missing is the tiny little detail that after the preliminary injunction you actually need to get a real injunction, and if you don't manage to do that, you are liable for all damages. And you won't get the injunction unless you can demonstrate that you can pay for the damages. Samsung is a big company, they can easily make some claims that would get them a preliminary injunction against iPad sales in Germany. The problem is that this might be very, very expensive for them.
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Yeah - they brought us casual **** like Angry Birds and Plants vs. Zombies. The pinnacle of gaming definitely.
Given the tremendous failure of the Nintendo Wii and the DS Nintendo must shiver to their bones. Yes, the 3DS sucks - so what, it's a product of arrogance. Wii U got a warm response and I guess Nintendo will work some things out.
And though you may be a real Apple follower you simply have no clue about gaming. I'm off to Banoi now - wake me up, when games of that quality hit iOS.
And no - Infinity Blade and the Rage demo don't count. Or do you think they have the depth of Zelda or Uncharted (the lead games for the current and upcoming mobile platforms)?
What I do is none of your business. Don't act as if you are a bernoulli. If I believe apple is not innovative, that's my view. I couldn't care less what you think.
I hope Apple doesn't decide that my Wacom Cintiq is infringing on their picture frame design patent, which was clearly awarded by stupidity.
Through manipulation of the media as well as reviews from third parties. They kicked iLounge out of one of their events because they gave the 3rd gen shuffle a poor review.
That and some delusional belief by the general public that their products are some how "hip or cool" over the competition, The Mercedes Benz of the computer industry if you will.
Don't get me wrong, Apple makes some good stuff namely higher quality hardware/casings and design, iPods for instance have aluminum casing vs the competition that use cheap plastic. As well as the ecosystem they've developed from iOS.
iTunes is also one of the best media mangers available, specifically all the options you get with smart playlists. No other competitors come close.
That doesn't change the fact that they are single handedly one of the most unethical companies out (at least from 2007 on) there in tech right now.