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GM Admits No Technical Reason CarPlay Couldn't Be in Future EVs

dominiongamma said:
GM will lose on this and cave in two years and customers will be pissed if their cars can’t be updated to do carplay. They locked themselves in a corner
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If the cars are protected to be updated, after gm caves they could retrofit CarPlay and claim they did it because they love their customers.

Traditional gm. Do some cheapass thing to increase marginal revenue and screw the customer in process. Then after customer was already lost, try to make amends and do a crap job of it.

Used to do with vehicles. Release partially baked concept then fix it over several years then cancel it after it is decent because brand is so damaged. Soil wash wash repeat.
 
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ilikewhey said:
i love a car that cost me 5 bucks to drive 300+ miles and fast enough to beat sports cars that cost 2-3x as much.
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Is that cost for a charge from home? According to press reports ev fast charging on the road is generally more expensive than gas. I also don’t understand the integration point between Apple Maps and the car’s battery status. EV cars should report estimated mileage remaining, a mapping application should show a route with mileage to destination. Would there be that many cases where are the options shown based on minimized trip time do not also minimize fuel spent? I have both data points on a manual transmission 2016 Subaru Forrester, I use Apple Maps, and I have not had the need to integrate the information and any other place but my brain. 😀
 
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Robert.Walter said:
If the cars are protected to be updated, after gm caves they could retrofit CarPlay and claim they did it because they love their customers.

Traditional gm. Do some cheapass thing to increase marginal revenue and screw the customer in process. Then after customer was already lost, try to make amends and do a crap job of it.

Used to do with vehicles. Release partially baked concept then fix it over several years then cancel it after it is decent because brand is so damaged. Soil wash wash repeat.
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The worst cars I have ever owned have been GM vehicles. My last GM car had electrical issues and the dashboard cluster started acting crazy. I would never trust them with an EV.
 
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jmgregory1 said:
Yep. The fact that they say they’re working with Google, but won’t even support Android Auto is very interesting. I’m guessing they don’t want tech companies with privacy policies that would cut off their ability to sell your driving, charging and shopping habits data to the highest bidder. Instead of giving customers an option, they’re going to force people to agree to their terms AND pay for services that may otherwise have been free. I don’t really care, because I am not a potential GM vehicle buyer.
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I think you’re right, but I am not sure how the privacy laws of certain states and countries won’t impact their ability to sell your driving data. I honestly suspect a bit of greed is causing lots of tunnel vision over at GM.
 
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I find GM’s argument here a bit disingenuous. They’re acting as though both CarPlay and Android Auto are never updated. I wish reporters would ask GM if they’ve had talks with Apple about supporting that feature and, if so, what the results of those talks were. It seems to me that Apple, at least, would be interested in supporting that feature if GM supplied the hooks into it.

but then, while I don’t remember which GM executive said it, but it’s been reported that it was said that they wanted to get some of the billions per year that Apple gets from their App Store with their system, because developers would be eager to write software for GM’s system. Um, well, no, they won’t. But that’s the real reason they’re doing this. They even said that their software would be free for the first year or so. Not that Android Auto or CarPlay cost anything to users. But they didn’t mention that.
 
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rchornef said:
According to press reports ev fast charging on the road is generally more expensive than gas.
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Got a link to that? Of course prices fluctuate so it depends on exactly what numbers we’re looking at, but I haven’t yet seen anything that said DC charging has surpassed gas on average.

www.motortrend.com

How Much Does It Cost to Charge a Tesla?

Driving a Model 3, Model Y, Model S, or Model X is only cheaper than a gas car if you plug in at the right places.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com
This article doesn’t use the average but instead the range—$.25-$.50 per kWh at Superchargers, and $3.11-$4.66 for gas, and compares several vehicles. Using these ranges, and looking at Model S vs Accord, the Model S costs $.07-$.14 per mile, and the Accord costs $.10-$.15 per mile. So it looks very comparable (supercharging being slightly cheaper in the extremes of this comparison) looking at the range, again, not the average. I’d be very curious to see the average comparison, and also curious what specific cars they’re comparing.

Edit- actually, not sure if average or mean is the more relevant number here.
 
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webkit said:
Taking over?? Despite all of the press/publicity, EV incentives, etc. BEVs still only account for around 9% to 10% of the overall automotive market and Tesla's share of the EV market is declining. Tesla is "scared" of other EV manufactures which is a reason why they drastically cut prices, increased inventory discounts, etc. this year.
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Math, bro. Doesn't matter if your market share is declining if your YoY growth is outpacing everyone else's volumes.

What is the #1 selling passenger vehicle in the world, and the #1 selling car/SUV in the USA? Tesla Model Y. No CarPlay.
 
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rchornef said:
According to press reports ev fast charging on the road is generally more expensive than gas.
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Hardly anyone charges 'mostly on road trips'. Even if Supercharging price is the same as gas, it's not where you spend the most time/money charging. Lots of people have figured out how to get free (or nearly free) charging at home, which is where you replenish the most. You go on with your bad self paying $50 to fill up at the pump, I'll keep rocking my $3 fill ups in my garage with electricity.
 
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ttyRazor said:
GM forgot their real competition for infotainment isn’t CarPlay, it’s $15 vent mount clips.
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That's for poor people :) Or rideshare drivers.

When you do it 'right', your iPhone never comes out of your purse or pocket. Either wireless CarPlay, or something like Tesla or Rivian.
 
subjonas said:
Got a link to that? Of course prices fluctuate so it depends on exactly what numbers we’re looking at, but I haven’t yet seen anything that said DC charging has surpassed gas on average.

www.motortrend.com

How Much Does It Cost to Charge a Tesla?

Driving a Model 3, Model Y, Model S, or Model X is only cheaper than a gas car if you plug in at the right places.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com
This article doesn’t use the average but instead the range—$.25-$.50 per kWh at Superchargers, and $3.11-$4.66 for gas, and compares several vehicles. Using these ranges, and looking at Model S vs Accord, the Model S costs $.07-$.14 per mile, and the Accord costs $.10-$.15 per mile. So it looks very comparable (supercharging being slightly cheaper in the extremes of this comparison) looking at the range, again, not the average. I’d be very curious to see the average comparison, and also curious what specific cars they’re comparing.

Edit- actually, not sure if average or mean is the more relevant number here.
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www.freep.com

Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were surprising

In a study of some gas cars released by Anderson Economic Group, it can cost considerably more to drive an EV — until infrastructure improves.
www.freep.com

Let me know what you think. Also using an iPad or iPhone I find really limited only by the physical placement which I can usually do well using a vent-clip or the like, it’s temperature control - especially heat which has been an issue (as the driver of course). I don’t like fiddling with the vent air opening to figure out if enough cooling or heating is on the device together with the sunlight.
 
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bobcomer said:
I never tried that. Thanks!
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There’s actually a correct way to indicate that a Bluetooth device should be exempt from headphone volume protections.

Make sure you set the Device Type in Bluetooth Settings.
 

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erikkfi said:
So are they right? Does Apple make no affordance for vehicle charging data? If that’s true, there is a potential user experience issue with CarPlay.
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CarPlay does have the hooks in place to track vehicle charge state, range, and charger locations. The manufacturer needs to provide that data to the CarPlay API. So far not many cars have it.

Regarding the user experience, how often do they think we will be trying to get to a charger? On a day to day driving that is a rare scenario. Even if you do want to use the built-in navigation for that purpose, it doesn’t mean that there aren’t other reasons to have CarPlay.

This is just GM looking to nickel and dime users to extract more cash.
 
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BeatCrazy said:
Hardly anyone charges 'mostly on road trips'. Even if Supercharging price is the same as gas, it's not where you spend the most time/money charging. Lots of people have figured out how to get free (or nearly free) charging at home, which is where you replenish the most. You go on with your bad self paying $50 to fill up at the pump, I'll keep rocking my $3 fill ups in my garage with electricity.
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Could be. I use bike and mass transit now for local, otherwise need car/apple maps for longer trips to Monongahela in WV, Maine, or further North to Newfoundland and Labrador in Canada all from D.C. area. Obviously reception somewhat limited in these areas. Getting North useful though especially for traffic. Gas supply is sparse in Labrador For distance drivers. Don’t recall charger availability. My wife just came back from Norway and told me the chargers are everywhere you might need one!
 
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GM isn’t very good at reading the room. Privacy is becoming increasingly important to consumers. This is a money grab so as they’ll sell your data in order to monetize your private information and driving habits.

CarPlay and Android Auto are nearly ubiquitous and have been for years. This will bite them in the ass, and they will backpedal.
 
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