GM Says It's Nixing CarPlay to Make Drivers Safer

DrMotownMac said:
Maybe the CEO is saying something like, "Customers are shopping for the right body design, color, horsepower, and fuel economy. Not this user interface stuff."
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GM might be correct. Most people shop for a car by
  • Finding out how. much per month they can afford for payments.
  • Finding the physically largest vehicle that will fit those monthly payments.
  • Many also consider what others will think of them based on the kind of car they own.
 
ChrisA said:
GM might be correct. Most people shop for a car by
  • Finding out how. much per month they can afford for payments.
  • Finding the physically largest vehicle that will fit those monthly payments.
  • Many also consider what others will think of them based on the kind of car they own.
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Um, I've been buying cars for over 50 years. This is in no way my method for selective a vehicle.

  • I do the research based on the features that are important to me with the purchase, and then determine which brands and models may meet my requirements.
  • I don't think that I've ever purchased the "physically largest vehicle" that met any of my requirements - and most definitely did not select the vehicle because it was the physically largest vehicle that I was considering. "Large" may well work, but it also has it's drawbacks - fuel efficiency, will it fit in my garage, etc.
  • I could not care less what others thought of me or my selected vehicle. I buy my vehicles to meet my need, not to impress others.

And often, features like CarPlay do factor into the equation. Things like safety features and convenience items comprise a large part of that equation.
 
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AZhappyjack said:
Um, I've been buying cars for over 50 years. This is in no way my method for selective a vehicle.
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Of course not. You are different from most others. Most people would never read a multipage thread about Carplay. Just doing that places us in a super-minority.


I bet you have a checking account. Right? If so, that also places you in a minority.

Seriously my #3 is likey the #1 most used criteria. This is why we see so many pickup trucks used as commuter cars.

Then finally, the majority of car buyers buy USED cars, not new cars. It is not even close Used outsell new at least two to one.
 
ChrisA said:
Of course not. You are different from most others. Most people would never read a multipage thread about Carplay. Just doing that places us in a super-minority.


I bet you have a checking account. Right? If so, that also places you in a minority.

Seriously my #3 is likey the #1 most used criteria. This is why we see so many pickup trucks used as commuter cars.

Then finally, the majority of car buyers buy USED cars, not new cars. It is not even close Used outsell new at least two to one.
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Yeah, not only do I have a checking account, I actually reconcile all accounts (checking, savings, money market and credit cards) every month. :D
 
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ChrisA said:
Of course not. You are different from most others. Most people would never read a multipage thread about Carplay. Just doing that places us in a super-minority.


I bet you have a checking account. Right? If so, that also places you in a minority.
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Huh!? I guess I'm also a minority. Or mis-understand what you mean by a checking account, typically that is a current account in my understanding. Why would one belong to a minority?
ChrisA said:
Seriously my #3 is likey the #1 most used criteria. This is why we see so many pickup trucks used as commuter cars.

Then finally, the majority of car buyers buy USED cars, not new cars. It is not even close Used outsell new at least two to one.
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But without new cars there wouldn't be used cars ;)
 
Reverend Billy said:
"...... eliminating ‌CarPlay‌ will provide GM with more control over driver data, and it will allow GM to offer subscription services and apps that allow for purchases of food, gas, and other sundries."

There's your answer to "why". And, believe me, you will be required to pay for a subscription if you want to get any concrete benefit from the app.
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What, pop up ads in your car? What could possibly go wrong…..
 
ChrisA said:
Of course not. You are different from most others. Most people would never read a multipage thread about Carplay. Just doing that places us in a super-minority.


I bet you have a checking account. Right? If so, that also places you in a minority.

Seriously my #3 is likey the #1 most used criteria. This is why we see so many pickup trucks used as commuter cars.

Then finally, the majority of car buyers buy USED cars, not new cars. It is not even close Used outsell new at least two to one.
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Well people who buy cars tend to have a bank account, so not sure what is that point you were trying to make...

Per latest GM statements, they are now keeping CarPlay in their gas powered vehicles, and only removing it for their EVs. Or at least that's how I interpreted them.

Given that GM EV push has so far not amounted to much, I think the iPhone users are safe...
 
diamond.g said:

Maybe GM will be recanting on CarPlay support
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They will just hand over control of the infotainment to Google. In fact, as time progresses, most cars will run Google built-in. The Apple CarPlay experience, if offered, will suffer over time (what happens when you have a monopoly). Automakers are broke and have stodgy culture. They can't afford large software teams nor do they have the expertise to hire competent engineers.

(Just my opinion, of course.)
 
ghanwani said:
They will just hand over control of the infotainment to Google. In fact, as time progresses, most cars will run Google built-in. The Apple CarPlay experience, if offered, will suffer over time (what happens when you have a monopoly). Automakers are broke and have stodgy culture. They can't afford large software teams nor do they have the expertise to hire competent engineers.

(Just my opinion, of course.)
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I’ve always thought (when Apple first announced CP) it should have been a standalone os for automotive use because otherwise you are ceding ground to Google.
 
diamond.g said:
I’ve always thought (when Apple first announced CP) it should have been a standalone os for automotive use because otherwise you are ceding ground to Google.
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Apple tried to do that with CarPlay 2.0 but so far it has not been taken up by any of the car makers. Porsche has talked about it but I don’t think they have shipped anything and not clear that they will.

I see little benefit to users for Apple taking over the car. I’d rather they just focus on improvements to the phone streaming version of CarPlay and making sure that car makers continue support. A lot of the reason that some give for dropping support is fear that Apple wants to take over the car’s OS.

Android Automotive has good support for the current CarPlay.
 
Tagbert said:
Apple tried to do that with CarPlay 2.0 but so far it has not been taken up by any of the car makers. Porsche has talked about it but I don’t think they have shipped anything and not clear that they will.

I see little benefit to users for Apple taking over the car. I’d rather they just focus on improvements to the phone streaming version of CarPlay and making sure that car makers continue support. A lot of the reason that some give for dropping support is fear that Apple wants to take over the car’s OS.

Android Automotive has good support for the current CarPlay.
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The Difference between Apple's 'Car OS' and Google's 'Android Automotive' is that Apple's OS wasn't just going to hand over all of the car data to GM (or anyone) so they could sell it for ad revenue. It's not worth it for car manufacturers to get involved with Apple, if there's no incentive.
 
Tagbert said:
Apple tried to do that with CarPlay 2.0 but so far it has not been taken up by any of the car makers. Porsche has talked about it but I don’t think they have shipped anything and not clear that they will.

I see little benefit to users for Apple taking over the car. I’d rather they just focus on improvements to the phone streaming version of CarPlay and making sure that car makers continue support. A lot of the reason that some give for dropping support is fear that Apple wants to take over the car’s OS.

Android Automotive has good support for the current CarPlay.
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The challenge is Apple will be increasingly dependent on Google for how well CarPlay works and how much deeper integration it can access. The current version with limited car interaction will grow increasingly dated with Android Auto getting deeper integration.

Apple really should be pushing for an industry standard version that is jointly maintained. As they don’t have the ability to realistically deliver truly platform agnostic solutions. But being increasingly dependent on Google is a serious competitive liability.
 
Tagbert said:
Android Automotive has good support for the current CarPlay.
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Did you mean Google Built-in?

Wait until they actually take over the infotainment of most manufacturers. Then we can have a discussion on how good the CarPlay experience is. :)
 
gank41 said:
The Difference between Apple's 'Car OS' and Google's 'Android Automotive' is that Apple's OS wasn't just going to hand over all of the car data to GM (or anyone) so they could sell it for ad revenue.
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gank41 said:
It's not worth it for car manufacturers to get involved with Apple, if there's no incentive.
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It’s worth it to make your customers happy which bring in sales.
 
Tagbert said:
Apple tried to do that with CarPlay 2.0 but so far it has not been taken up by any of the car makers. Porsche has talked about it but I don’t think they have shipped anything and not clear that they will.

I see little benefit to users for Apple taking over the car. I’d rather they just focus on improvements to the phone streaming version of CarPlay and making sure that car makers continue support. A lot of the reason that some give for dropping support is fear that Apple wants to take over the car’s OS.

Android Automotive has good support for the current CarPlay.
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Was it made clear that CarPlay 2.0 didn't need an iPhone to work? Android Automotive doesn't need a Android phone to work.
 
diamond.g said:
Was it made clear that CarPlay 2.0 didn't need an iPhone to work? Android Automotive doesn't need a Android phone to work.
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I don't think Apple ever revealed enough publicly for us to know. The assumption was that when the phone is not present the car would need to run something and that something should resemble the phone UI. I just don't think Apple has had real success getting car makers onboard with that aspect of it. Partially that comes from when Apple was still working on a the car project and car makers saw them as a competitor, not a partner. That may have hurt their efforts to drum up support for the full CarPlay 2.0.

Personally, I have no interest in whether the car runs on CarPlay or not, mostly not. I just want to be able to stream apps from my phone.
 
Tagbert said:
I don't think Apple ever revealed enough publicly for us to know. The assumption was that when the phone is not present the car would need to run something and that something should resemble the phone UI. I just don't think Apple has had real success getting car makers onboard with that aspect of it. Partially that comes from when Apple was still working on a the car project and car makers saw them as a competitor, not a partner. That may have hurt their efforts to drum up support for the full CarPlay 2.0.

Personally, I have no interest in whether the car runs on CarPlay or not, mostly not. I just want to be able to stream apps from my phone.
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Something that I also wonder about, does CarPlay do anything for vehicles with rear screen entertainment systems?
 
diamond.g said:
Something that I also wonder about, does CarPlay do anything for vehicles with rear screen entertainment systems?
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LMAO if Google paying for the default search engine in an iPhone is an antitrust issue Google paying auto manufactures to be an OS on a car will be next and their goes their revenue for that
 
Adam5SS said:
LMAO if Google paying for the default search engine in an iPhone is an antitrust issue Google paying auto manufactures to be an OS on a car will be next and their goes their revenue for that
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Does Apple get revenue from manufacturers for CarPlay currently?
 
diamond.g said:
Does Apple get revenue from manufacturers for CarPlay currently?
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Don’t believe so. But there we’re getting a ton from Google as the default search engine. If Google is paying to be the OS in a car to the manufacturer like they are then they should be up for antitrust because it’s a similar situation which is interesting. I think the car manufacturers don’t want to run trouble shooting for Apple CarPlay is why they want to nix it. They get no revenue from it and don’t want to provide updates for it to work when something isn’t working.
 
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