GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars [Updated]

[iSalameee]

Well, I'll look elsewhere. This was actually one of my stipulations in buying a new car. The seamless transition from outside into the car with maps, music and phone calls is something I love.

If they want to remove it so Apple Maps no longer works and I need a SUBSCRIPTION for navigation, that is going to throw me off the edge. I'll literally mount my iPad screen in front it if I had to.

The subscription model has gone too far in the last 10 years. BMW wants to add heated/cooled seats to that, it's built in but you want to use it, pay us monthly. They'll make money on 2nd, 3rd, 90th owners of the car bc they'll make money for life v one time payment. Im digressing but this truly grinds my gears.

 

[kevinj85]

General Motors began phasing out support for CarPlay in its electric vehicles back in 2023, leading to complaints from iPhone users, but the company has no plans to back down.

In fact, GM is going further and plans to remove CarPlay from all future gas vehicles, too. In an interview with The Verge, GM CEO Mary Barra said that the company opted to prioritize its platform for EVs, but the change will eventually expand across the entire GM portfolio.

When asked if users should expect that new gas cars will not support "smartphone projection" for CarPlay or Android Auto, Barra said "I think that's the right expectation. Yes."

GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.

Anderson said that GM's in-house infotainment option offers a "much more immersive environment" and can "do so many more things" than CarPlay.

In EVs, General Motors transitioned to an infotainment system that it previously called "Ultifi." GM said that eliminating Apple CarPlay gave it access to direct integrations and information that it needed for its electric vehicle line, plus the company claimed that an in-house unified solution was the better option for consumers.

Starting with the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ, GM is rolling out a centralized vehicle computing system that it says will overhaul how GM vehicles are built and how they can be updated over time. GM will share software across its portfolio, including all electric and gas-powered vehicles produced by its GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac brands.

Article Link: GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars

More examples of en********ation where a company doesn’t care about the user experience, they just need to make money. I mean how else are they going to sell users data?

 

[dsio]

Dude’s confusing Jobsian with Ballmeresque

Beyond just being better, CarPlay is one of the best ways you can get your elderly relatives to safely be able to answer calls and use the satnav without help learning something new even when switching or renting cars. That’s a key GM demographic.

 

[Arran]

GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.

I’m not sold. Just show us how good your GM product is instead of casually appropriating Jobs’ name and reputation. Earn your own stripes the hard way.

TBH, I’m not feeling much confidence in their product, leadership or decision-making.

 

[jaytv111]

I’ll play along: How do current GM cars handle text messaging through iOS? Do they alert you to new texts and read them on request? Can you see the list of contacts who have texted you? Can you see your favorites list? Can you click on someone and dictate and send a text response? Can you use the car’s assistant to do the same with no touch?

Here’s another one: I currently use CarPlay to click on and control lessons in a foreign language study app. That’s part of my regular driving experience. GM, how do I use and control my library on that app on your system?

They have Bluetooth and if you’ve used Bluetooth in a car with an iPhone before it’s the same as that.

Which means you can see messages, you can compose messages, but it might also be buggy and flake out. You can also use Siri to dictate messages but Siri may also suck, lol. And for your app, you start it and control it on your phone or you use the playback controls (play/pause/next/previous). Sometimes they have the track name which may tell you what lesson you’re on if the app does it properly. Or it might not.

I mean, it works, maybe if Siri is good enough it won’t be a huge degradation (so that kind of falls on Apple for Siri not being too great), but Carplay has always allowed a better app experience (more control, ability to see versus just dictate, etc). It sucks to lose that.

 

[mattopotamus]

How can leadership be so oblivious? They eliminated a very large group of potential customers.

 

[mark63303]

I hate Carplay in my Jeep. It's intrusive and i don't use it. But as soon as a passenger plugs in their iPhone it starts automatically with carplay and plays their music. If I mute the music then every time the passenger swips or touches the screen it unmutes and starts playing music again. WTF? Carplay is totally useless, has not a sing;le feature I ever use and I still can't deactivate it for good. Apple is great on hardware and the OS, but they should
stay away from software solutions please.

Anyone who has driven a Jeep knows how bad their interfaces are. It is Jeep’s integration with CarPlay, not CarPlay itself. Stellantis couldn’t build a quality interface if it’s life depended on it.

 

[canyonblue737]

Well, that means I won’t consider GM vehicles.

 

[mark63303]

No one in their right mind is clamoring for their car to be yet another bespoke “infotainment” platform. This isn’t 1995. People want continuity with what’s on their smartphones. I understand GM not wanting to relinquish the console, but they’re misreading the room.

NAILED IT. Someone please send this to Mary Barra and then retire her.

 

[jaytv111]

Lame guess no blazer for me

Does the Honda version have it?

Honda Prologue and Acura’s equivalent ZDX, which has recently been cancelled, both have Carplay.

 

[fontman]

General Motors began phasing out support for CarPlay in its electric vehicles back in 2023, leading to complaints from iPhone users, but the company has no plans to back down.

In fact, GM is going further and plans to remove CarPlay from all future gas vehicles, too. In an interview with The Verge, GM CEO Mary Barra said that the company opted to prioritize its platform for EVs, but the change will eventually expand across the entire GM portfolio.

When asked if users should expect that new gas cars will not support "smartphone projection" for CarPlay or Android Auto, Barra said "I think that's the right expectation. Yes."

GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.

Anderson said that GM's in-house infotainment option offers a "much more immersive environment" and can "do so many more things" than CarPlay.

In EVs, General Motors transitioned to an infotainment system that it previously called "Ultifi." GM said that eliminating Apple CarPlay gave it access to direct integrations and information that it needed for its electric vehicle line, plus the company claimed that an in-house unified solution was the better option for consumers.

Starting with the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ, GM is rolling out a centralized vehicle computing system that it says will overhaul how GM vehicles are built and how they can be updated over time. GM will share software across its portfolio, including all electric and gas-powered vehicles produced by its GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac brands.

Article Link: GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars

Well with so many people tied to having the features on their phones and having a user experience, that's familiar not having that is going to make people not want to buy the product unless GM is going to make their own phone infrastructure. Jim must be higher on their own supply because thinking that they can do their infotainment better than a technology company such as Apple or android Mary needs to move on.

 

[boswald]

Welp, no GM for my next vehicle then!

 

[jbellanca]

The autoplay sounds like a Jeep issue. I've never gotten in an unknown car and had CarPlay start without me doing something on both the phone and head unit. The unmuting thing is also weird and not something I've experienced. Why do you say it's useless? Do you not use Maps, Music, Podcasts? If you don't, I guess there isn't much point to CarPlay. But for me, it's the best way to do all of those things and I won't buy (or rent) a car without CarPlay.

The way this person describes it is definitely not how either of our two Jeeps work, so assuming they're a troll. It's actually kind of a hassle to get a new iPhone to connect and use CarPlay. Once the phone's registered and setup, sure it auto-connects, but it works the same was as any other car does. And no idea what they mean about unpausing. Sounds like a user problem to me.

 

[Analog Kid]

No, they don’t.

But Google does, and everyone is adopting AAOS for their infotainment systems. Apple missed the target in a big way by relying on projection. It was always a band aid solution as technology caught up.

Projection is exactly what I want. My phone is a massive archive of personal data, I want to keep those walls high. I don't need my car, and certainly don't need a rental, requesting access to that data to provide basic services that my phone is perfectly capable of providing for itself. Keeping the circle of trust small is key.

I don't trust the car makers and I certainly don't trust Google.

And that's leaving aside the point that every single automotive in-house software stack I've ever interacted with is utter crap.

 

[MN7119]

Who buys GM cars?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

And we’re going to roll these changes out the next time we update the system on your current car!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Who buys GM cars?

I guess that’s one way to not be bothered by how many cars you sell, make the ones you do sell subscription based!

 

[tabsbar]

literally why I purchased an EV from a different company. CarPlay is where it's at! Honestly why not just offer the option. My car currently has its own infotainment system but also allows for either Android whatever or CarPlay. GM is dumb on this.

 

[tomms11]

It's sad to read such stupidity. GM and many other carmakers have to put their ego aside and realize that their OS systems are absolute junk. Having CarPlay significantly helped them out. Tesla has a superior OS because they only make electric and are a technology/software-based company.

My crystal ball predicts that this CEO will be ousted for such lousy, non-strategic decision-making in no time.

 

[tennisproha]

But Google does, and everyone is adopting AAOS for their infotainment systems. Apple missed the target in a big way by relying on projection. It was always a band aid solution as technology caught up.

You make a good point and I wonder why Apple went the route of CarPlay Ultra instead of making CarPlayOS. The likely answer is data sharing.

Google allows data mining so they will share AAOS customer data with automakers who will then forward it to insurers. Apple has a strong stance on privacy and CarPlay doesn't share any data with automakers, which is the primary reason manufacturers are refusing to implement CarPlay Ultra; because it prevents them from mining customer data and selling their own subscriptions.

So AAOS is easy for automakers to implement because it just enables them to continue mining customer data while CarPlay Ultra protects owner privacy and cuts off that data stream. So Apple has no reason to put resources towards CarPlayOS when automakers are refusing to even implement CarPlay Ultra.

 

[Arran]

Apple could easily neutralize this by making a iPhone focus mode that shows the CarPlay UI on the phone when it detects it’s connected to Bluetooth hands free.

Then just mount your phone over the GM infotainment screen (since you won’t need to look at it) and voilà: 95% CarPlay.

 

[drew0020]

I don't like CarPlay and I've only driven Tesla's since 2017 ( I can't wait for the R2 though), but CarPlay is definitely better than most legacy automaker systems. I'll never understand why anyone would choose GM (outside of budget or work vehicle), but for those who do this seems like a bad decision.

 

[aboonephoto]

General Motors began phasing out support for CarPlay in its electric vehicles back in 2023, leading to complaints from iPhone users, but the company has no plans to back down.

In fact, GM is going further and plans to remove CarPlay from all future gas vehicles, too. In an interview with The Verge, GM CEO Mary Barra said that the company opted to prioritize its platform for EVs, but the change will eventually expand across the entire GM portfolio.

When asked if users should expect that new gas cars will not support "smartphone projection" for CarPlay or Android Auto, Barra said "I think that's the right expectation. Yes."

GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.

Anderson said that GM's in-house infotainment option offers a "much more immersive environment" and can "do so many more things" than CarPlay.

In EVs, General Motors transitioned to an infotainment system that it previously called "Ultifi." GM said that eliminating Apple CarPlay gave it access to direct integrations and information that it needed for its electric vehicle line, plus the company claimed that an in-house unified solution was the better option for consumers.

Starting with the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ, GM is rolling out a centralized vehicle computing system that it says will overhaul how GM vehicles are built and how they can be updated over time. GM will share software across its portfolio, including all electric and gas-powered vehicles produced by its GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac brands.

Article Link: GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars

... GM makes cars, not software... Lincoln Navigator with CarPlay Ultra or Cadillac Escalade with GM software... I'll take the Lincoln.

 

[Loismustdie1]

Every car I’ve owned since high school has been a Chevy and they all were reliable. It’ll be sad to move on on, but CarPlay is an absolute must.

 

[WolfSnap]

no CarPlay, no purchase.

There’s literally no wiggle room there. No CarPlay, no purchase. Period.