I really do enjoy using Apple ecosystem since 2009, but the fact they RESET whatever client you choose to use after a reebot just killed me inside XD. And don’t get me wrong I love Apple but I also will never believe that this is a bug 😂
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Gmail Now Able to Be Set as Default Mail App on iPhone and iPad in iOS 14
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You wouldn't, but Google does the same thing. They only release apps on iOS that make them money.
iCloud is on other OSs via the Web App. It includes Pages, Keynote, Numbers, calendar, mail, and reminder. I included that all as part of me.
They have some good stuff, and they have some bad stuff. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Gmail is good stuff. It just works (remember when Apple used to do that).
When you talk about google's intentions, I assume you mean that they scrape keywords for targeted ads? If you think using just Apple software will protect you from that then you're delusional. I'll give you an example. Last weekend I sent a text to a mate asking what brand and model of motocross body armour he uses. He texted a reply. That was the entire exchange, and the only time he wrote in his iPhone the brand name. He told me that since then, that brand of stuff was popping up in ads on his facebook. So presumably the keywords got scraped by either the iPhone or the telecoms company (I assume the telecoms company). Sure, you can use iMessage (I have mine turned off, as it creates a nightmare with the "ecosystem" with my MBP (believe it or not)), but surely you do send non-iMessages to people who don't have iPhones. So no matter what you do, if you do it over a network, and you don't use end to end public-private key encryption where you pre-encrypt it yourself with an open-source PGP software, then you are going to get scraped. End of story. The next question you have to ask is, do you really really actually care if you get targeted ads instead of random ones?
It’s their business nature, it’s not a benevolent merciful act by an angel darn it.
Google does make quite ugly stuff, but gmail works very well. In fact, it just works.
And you are getting scraped, one way or another, by one company or another, and you are delusional if you think you aren't.
To be fair, it's not as if Apple instantly fixes issues people are having. Remember the four long years of the butterfly keyboard, just one of many many examples. Apple also nixes a lot of things that hinder their profit margin, and so on.
Basically, Apple and Google are two peas in a pod for business practices. Apple used to be "If you keep your eye on the profit, you’re going to skimp on the product. But if you focus on making really great products, then the profits will follow", and Google used to be "Do no evil." Both have been abandoned, and now both of their mantras are "The bigger the profits, the higher the stock price will be, and the bigger my CEO bonus will be."
Not even close to a fair comparison as you are comparing making money from consumers paying out of pocket directly vs making ad revenue from user habits which includes pretty much Googles entire suite of apps.
To say they only release apps that make them money when all or at least most of their apps is misleading as most if not all of their apps are thus available cross platform.
Using web apps on android you wouldn't get notifications and if they even run its a super janky solution at best.
Who cares if it's in Googles business nature based on there ad revenue model? That's not the point I'm making. Can you own any device you want and know you can download a google app for it? As a consumer you don't see that as a benefit? You wouldn't want your Android user friends and associates to be able to use imessage?
Whether or not you chose to use google apps or not because of not wanting data being used to target ads for you that's fine. My point to the original poster complaining that Google updated mail quickly so it could be used a default mail app as a bad thing. As a consumer why wouldn't I want that choice and why would be critical of a developer for updating an app quickly? They weren't even the first developer to do so either. Outlook beat them to it.
Lets do this PowerPoint style, since we are talking about cross platform apps.
- All that matters is the bottom line.
- If Google intends to harvest and sell data than they are making money off of it.
- That is all that matters.
- Ads, data collection, and non-critical functions that distract from the UX are all costs the consumer pays.
- This is a non-negotiable point.
- There is no need to make a distinction between upfront costs and those imposed over time.
- All Google services exist to harvest data therefore all apps are paid by the end user.
- User experience is a cost that must be paid for, but not all paid experiences are good.
- Good is not a relevant metric for measuring existence.
- Apple offers web apps therefore they offer apps on other platforms.
- Bottom Line: all cross-platform apps sold by OS developers are paid.
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Don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Apple is in the Music business, they are not in the email or browser business. (For profit)
All this Google privacy talk makes me think...
Unless I am reborn in a alternate universe, all my useful data has already been harvested. I know its a bit defeatest to think like this, but to me its called being realistic. And if you think you are safe and your privacy is protected, have you used Youtube or Facebook or the like recently?
Don’t get me wrong, I like that Apple earns its money in other ways (boy do they ever), but the idea of online ”privacy” is a fantasy.
Unless I am reborn in a alternate universe, all my useful data has already been harvested. I know its a bit defeatest to think like this, but to me its called being realistic. And if you think you are safe and your privacy is protected, have you used Youtube or Facebook or the like recently?
Don’t get me wrong, I like that Apple earns its money in other ways (boy do they ever), but the idea of online ”privacy” is a fantasy.
I'm not arguing against any of those points. I'm not saying google apps are better than apple apps and provide a better experience. I'm not saying the have the same level of privacy it's pretty obvious they don't. I'm not saying that their not getting paid by advertisers. All I'm saying is that it's more convenient to use apps that are available cross platform for users that use devices on multiple platforms.
I'm not endorsing Google apps or their business model. I'd rather use iMessage vs other messaging apps but I like my messages encrypted and I can't do that with an Android user because those messages go through as SMS which is the opposite of secure and private.
If Apple feels android OS is secure enough to have data associated to apple music and apple tv why not the apps that they don't make subscription fees from? That's all I'm saying. If they think imessage is a selling feature to buy an iphone then they are going against their own privacy and security mantra with people having send unencrypted messages via SMS and MMS.
Nope. I don’t have that setting on my iPhone XR with iOS 14 and updated Gmail app... 😢
I saw this posted the other day, and there was indeed a Gmail update for my iPad. I've used Google services since 2006, Gmail, YouTube, etc. I really like the mail service, and the app on the iPad is really nice. I usually don't depend on the phone for important stuff such as email, etc because the screen is too small for comfort for such things. The iPad has a nice screen size so it's easier for me to do desktop related things on, when not using a full desktop computer.
I do like the ability to change default apps on the phone, and iPad now, however, for me personally, it's not something I'm going to most likely use, or think about all that much.
I do like the ability to change default apps on the phone, and iPad now, however, for me personally, it's not something I'm going to most likely use, or think about all that much.
Microsoft mostly plays nice in iOS and they're multi platform.
Google has always tried to push their agenda at the expense of UX. They're the only ones to implement their Material UI while most of everyone else follow the recommended style and rules from Apple's HIG. Gruber had a good write up here https://daringfireball.net/2014/11/googles_app_aesthetic
I've got the same question. I've changed the default app to Gmail, but honestly - what does it do? I've just tested the mailto link in Safari and it still opens a pop-up window from Mail app. So, what does it mean in practice that Gmail is now my default mail app? I do not see any differences...
Respectfully, I'd have to disagree with you on that. The app is very disappointing, IMHO. You can't attach a message to another message without downloading it as a PDF, and then uploading it as an attachment. You can't manage contacts in the app (need to use a separate app). Labels vs folders is poorly implemented (I want an auto-rule to move a certain type of message out of the main inbox to a designated subfolder, but can't, as I can only "LABEL" them, and they stay in the main inbox. I still have to manually move them.) Every time I use the app, I'm very frustrated with it.
On a side note, Spark and Outlook can also be set as the default mail app too. I'd choose one of these over Gmail all day.
Mine is 6.0.200825, and I have this option (not setting it, but the option is there).
They’re pretty hidden - and they aren’t app specific ads. Select Promotions from the menu, and under Top Promotions I have 4 emails: two of them are ads served by Gmail/Google rather than lists I’ve signed up to.
- so I agree with you, essentially no ads to speak of, certainly none that get in the way of using the app!
they don't have to if they don't want Apple customers, we won't miss them.
There are ads? I never saw ads in Gmail app. Maybe it's because I'm using G Suite, or maybe it's webblock.