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Especially since the 5S is nearly on par with the 6

http://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks

Especially too since the 5s has on par or even better battery life than the 6 :eek:

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Not true.

Steve Jobs convinced millions that he knew better than they do and therefore there is nothing to discuss. There'll be a robust market for the tiny phone for a long time.

Most regular users don't know or upgrade to the latest OS anyway. They just use the phone.
I don't know how accurate that statement is. It's been reported that 46% of active iOS devices are running iOS 8, and 49% have iOS 7. That's a very fast adoption rate given that the iPhone 6/6 Plus make up a proportionally small fraction of iOS devices. The fact that 95% of all iOS devices in use are running the latest two major releases of firmware also speaks volumes. Of course, part of it is Apple making it very easy to update, by putting a notification in Settings.
 
5S is at least going to iOS 10 for sure, 64 bit SoC gives it future proof and extra longevity

Not really. What do you think happens after they add more ram more than likely to the next iPhone? What happened to the iPhone 4? Every the 6 and plus will run bad after they update ram in the future. Future proof? No
 
Actually the Z3 compact just recently came out which has a 4.7' display in the same form factor as the Z1 compact :)

In the picture below can really see the size difference between the 4.7-inch Z3 compact and the 4.7' iPhone 6 :eek:

So I agree, there are lots of ways for Apple to increase the screen size while keeping the overall size down to a 5s range.

Waterproof Z3 compact has THREE DAY BATTERY LIFE. I'm ordering one. Waiting until next year to see if Apple comes up with anything comparable. My 5s will keep me in the iOS world until then.
 
Not really. What do you think happens after they add more ram more than likely to the next iPhone? What happened to the iPhone 4? Every the 6 and plus will run bad after they update ram in the future. Future proof? No
It's not unreasonable to think that the 5S will get iOS 10. Apple is very predictable when it comes to firmware support for older/discontinued iPhone models:

iPhone 2G: 1, 2, 3 (3)
iPhone 3G: 2, 3, 4 (3)
iPhone 3GS: 3, 4, 5, 6 (4)
iPhone 4: 4, 5, 6, 7 (4)
iPhone 4S: 5, 6, 7, 8, ? (4?)

The 5S was released with iOS 7, which means at the bare minimum it would receive iOS 9 based on Apple's track record, and most likely 10. Whether it will run smoothly is another matter. But Apple isn't going to release an operating system that won't run on a device it's intended for. And you realize it can simply restrict resource-intensive features. For instance, the iPhone 4 had all the capabilities to run Siri, but it did not get Siri, partly to differentiate the new 4S, and also because the 4S could run more smoothly with Siri.
 
It's like buying a new car. It takes a few days to get use to it. A different phone is the same way. I bought a 6 Saturday and using it today has become second nature. What's nice is that beautiful screen. The 6 is going to be "THE" size iPhone to have for many years to come. Just my 2 cents.

Car analogy to me is more like:

5s to 6plus

Is like

Porsche Boxter to Ford F150.

Both are loved by their respective audiences
 
It's not unreasonable to think that the 5S will get iOS 10. Apple is very predictable when it comes to firmware support for older/discontinued iPhone models:

iPhone 2G: 1, 2, 3 (3)
iPhone 3G: 2, 3, 4 (3)
iPhone 3GS: 3, 4, 5, 6 (4)
iPhone 4: 4, 5, 6, 7 (4)
iPhone 4S: 5, 6, 7, 8, ? (4?)

The 5S was released with iOS 7, which means at the bare minimum it would receive iOS 9 based on Apple's track record, and most likely 10. Whether it will run smoothly is another matter. But Apple isn't going to release an operating system that won't run on a device it's intended for. And you realize it can simply restrict resource-intensive features. For instance, the iPhone 4 had all the capabilities to run Siri, but it did not get Siri, partly to differentiate the new 4S, and also because the 4S could run more smoothly with Siri.
if you go by that logic then the 6 and plus should have twice the ram just like every two years. updating to more will slow down all that have less. Have you not heard the problems people are reporting for ios8 on a 4s?
 
if you go by that logic then the 6 and plus should have twice the ram just like every two years. updating to more will slow down all that have less. Have you not heard the problems people are reporting for ios8 on a 4s?
I don't need to. Because I actually have an iPhone 4S with iOS 8 and I haven't experienced any problems with it (not saying others haven't, but based on what I'm hearing from others, it's not a significant problem, and can just as easily be attributed to factors other than the fundamentals of the operating system). I also had iOS 6 on my 3GS up until I traded it in, and had no problems with that either.

I also don't see how the pattern of software support has anything to do with RAM increases, which is on the hardware side. You know Windows 7 came at a time when most computers had 4GB of RAM, but only required 1GB to run in 32-bit mode. Completely uncorrelated.
 
I needed a new phone with more space and I wasn't going to buy another 5s.

Anyways I do like the smaller 4" phone, but we need to move on eventually.

Actually I think the 6 feels smaller than the 5s despite it being physically bigger.

Car analogy to me is more like:

5s to 6plus

Is like

Porsche Boxter to Ford F150.

Both are loved by their respective audiences

I think that's a bad analogy since you're comparing two car types.

A better comparison would perhaps a move from an older generation car to a new one. They're doing a lot of that these days with what used to be compacts is now full size.

I can think of many manufacturers that are doing this.
 
I am sure they will align a 4 incher to the current design when the battery technology will allow it. I have the same opinion as the OP, the phone is too big and too slippery, but I will keep it until they release a smaller one with VoLTE, Carrier aggregation and Apple Pay.

Really. I think the day of the 4" phone is long gone.
 
I love the size of my 5, but I'm open to larger screens.

I just hate the 6's design and cheap feeling in hand. I want a phone that feels solid, where the buttons aren't loose, that won't slip out of my hand, and of course, won't bend in my pocket.

If there was a larger 5 series phone, I'd probably be on board.
 
What did you think of the quality of the screen display vs your 5s? I was at the local mall yesterday and tried out display models at an AT&T store and an Apple Store. I was surprised to note the display on my 5s seemed sharper, clearer, crisper. I suppose that's because they're the same ppi, but the pixels are more condensed on the 5s screen? Is that how it works?

PPI = pixels per inch. If two phones have the same PPI, then the pixels in the screen are of an equal density.
 
Waterproof Z3 compact has THREE DAY BATTERY LIFE. I'm ordering one. Waiting until next year to see if Apple comes up with anything comparable. My 5s will keep me in the iOS world until then.

Yeah, pretty amazing how sony can fit in a 4.6 inch screen, microSD slot, and 2600mAh battery into something the size of an iPhone 5s.

Too bad the phone hasn't yet come to the states. If it does I'll snatch it up for sure.
 
As much as I liked the forum factor of the iPhone 5s, the extra screen size on my 6 is a huge benefit for me at 58 and wearing glasses. Moved up to the 6 and not looking back.
 
They missed a trick not going for an iPhone 6 minus or mini.

5S should have been discontinued and they should have released a 4" one. A larger phone only has an advantage for web and video.

I'm actually surprised all top end Andoird phones are massive as there's loads of people who don't like big phones.

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Just to say i kept my ipod touch 5th generation to enjoy the 4" form factor.
 
I used the 6 for a few hours before realising it just wasn't for me. Gave it back the next day and bought a 5S instead. The 6 was just too uncomfortable to use.

What's the point of a bigger screen if it compromises usability? Try reaching your thumb into the top left corner of the screen (as you frequently have to on iOS), it just doesn't work without readjusting your grip and making it easy to slip out of your grasp.

The very fact that you need a feature called "Reachability" says it all. It's practically admitting the screen is too big for conventional use! Such an inelegant solution and Apple would never have offered such big phones if they didn't feel the need to catch up to Samsung.

As I said, I don't see understand the fascination with a huge screen in your pocket if you can't use it comfortably. I think the 5S is the perfect phone and am thrilled with it. This "which smartphone has the biggest screen!!11" pi55ing competition has ruined the iPhone line IMO.
 
I used the 6 for a few hours before realising it just wasn't for me. Gave it back the next day and bought a 5S instead. The 6 was just too uncomfortable to use.

What's the point of a bigger screen if it compromises usability? Try reaching your thumb into the top left corner of the screen (as you frequently have to on iOS), it just doesn't work without readjusting your grip and making it easy to slip out of your grasp.

The very fact that you need a feature called "Reachability" says it all. It's practically admitting the screen is too big for conventional use! Such an inelegant solution and Apple would never have offered such big phones if they didn't feel the need to catch up to Samsung.

As I said, I don't see understand the fascination with a huge screen in your pocket if you can't use it comfortably. I think the 5S is the perfect phone and am thrilled with it. This "which smartphone has the biggest screen!!11" pi55ing competition has ruined the iPhone line IMO.

I can reach all portions of the screen without much effort on my iPhone 6. Also, not sure how tight your pants are, but the 6 fits just fine in my slacks, pants, etc.

I can still easily use the phone with one hand, and I even have the Apple leather case on it. For me, it's the perfect size. The 6 Plus was too large to use one handed ever really, and that's a factor that's very important to me.

I've had the 4s, 5, 5s and now 6, and the 6 is hands down my favorite in terms of design, form factor and usability.
 
I've been using the 6 all weekend but just could not get on with it. I just don't like the feel of it. It's too thin to pick up easily from a table with one hand. It can't be easily used with one hand. I dropped it twice, it's not as easy to grip. It is too large in my jeans pocket.

I've gone back to my 5S and I have to say when apply designed this they really got it right. Perfect size and shape. Feels solid, robust and great in the hand. It looks better IMO.

I swear if the 5 had come after the 6 people would be raving about it.

Is the 5 likely to be updated with the latest hardware?

You sound clumsy as hell.
 
I thought long and hard about what I actually use my phone for. I am a "basic" user in which I make calls, text, occasional FaceTime, take a few family photos or vids, and browse the web with my 5s.

I love the smaller form factor and realistically am thrilled I have an LTE device I can take to various prepaid companies (vz auto fcc ruling unlocked goodness) that has good enough internals to last me a few more ios cycles.

NFC apple pay volte I have lived without this long. If 6's had wireless charging and sapphire displays i would have been more likely to invest in a new device as those hold more value to me as a basic user.

Here's hoping by the time technogy and advancements become more of a need vs a want in the tech field that they will offer a mini in the 7 or 8 series. I would gladly take lesser camera ppi ram and slower clocked speed of the newest AX chip specs to keep the form factor.

Not in mac rumor land but in the real world it's a huge chunk of the pie chart I hope apple will not forget.
 
I went to an Apple Store yesterday and picked up a 5S and couldn't believe how small it was! Like a toy!

It surprised me because I used a 4S for 3 years before I got my 6. Even after like 2 weeks I can't imagine going back to that, but I do agree with the 5S design. It was easier to hold and more unique.
 
Cut off the bezels on the 5s and bump it's battery life and make it thinner. THAT I would pay a lot for.
 
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