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good riddance os X Lion
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Easier to use? Lion is just as easy to use as Snow Leopard. If you don't like the changes, by and large you don't have to use them.
Yes, clearly it's for adults if it's designed to be inaccessible and hard to use. Making things easier to use for the general public is a no-no and means it's for kids. Don't be so pretentious.
There will always be people who have legitimate problems with Lion. But opinion doesn't equal actual problems. I happen to like Lion's UI changes for the most part – I'm not sold on iCal, but I don't use it anyway.
I thought Lion screamed on an SSD but soon realized how inefficient and sluggish it is once I went back to SL.
And for the Lion naysayers... I pretty much found a way to "undo" just about all the new features with the exception of Mission Control. That alone was what prompted me to go back to Expose/Spaces in SL.
And for the Lion naysayers... I pretty much found a way to "undo" just about all the new features with the exception of Mission Control. That alone was what prompted me to go back to Expose/Spaces in SL.
I was in the same camp about contemplating moving back to SL specifically for Expose/ Spaces, but then started really using a second screen and found that is where for me Lion shines when compared to SL. I love the fact that when I open my work VM and place it on the secondary desktop, it stays there no matter which desktop I am on on the main desktop. That was one major complaint for me with spaces is that when I switched desktops I lost my VM, as it stayed on the desktop I just switched from. If I could merge spaces and the open desktop docking system of Lion it would be super joy for me. I have found Lion has been more productive for me once I abandoned the SL way of thinking.
So Lion shines compared to SL when working with a second screen? Funny, that hasn't been my experience with it.
So basically, the quirks of one app made you stay with Lion... that's fine. But many of us that went back to SL can say the same thing... Mission Control just handled things "wrong" for us.
Uh, correction, just few of you really. Re-check that awesome pole you created that shows that the MOST of us here like Lion. We don't need to use an aging OS such as Snow Leopard to get work done.
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Well put.
10.6 was the first MacOS release that I did not upgrade within a week of availability.Before 10.6. I was willing to give up a little stability to experience that latest greatest OS in the world. I waited at least a year. I currently plan on skipping over Lion or sitting on old hardware until a better OS comes along. Yesterday I purchased a refurbed low end iMac, since that may be the last to run Snow Leopard.
I already know I like windows 7 better than lion. I use more than one os on my current hardware. And because ms has public betas, I will know if I want to use the next version before it comes out. And who said I had to use windows? Most of my software is free or has versions for windows, Mac, and Linux. The few software apps I bought that don't I will find alternatives too. Using a system that slows down productivity for me ( and lion definately does) would cost me more than buying a few new apps. I would have to probably do so in the future anyways.
lion is a joke...and there is nothing foolish about that. Paying for an upgrade that is less stable and slower,... Now that's foolish.
I, too, have downgraded (or upgraded?) to Snow Leopard after trying to work with Lion for the past two months. There are just too many features that were not thought out well and eventually only hinder productivity (read: Mission Control, multimonitor mess, etc).
And I made the mistake to move from MobileMe to iCloud, a step that is irreversible... So for the time being I'll just move everything from iCloud to Google since Apple obviously doesn't like its 28 month old operating system, but loves the competitor's 58 month old OS...
And I made the mistake to move from MobileMe to iCloud, a step that is irreversible... So for the time being I'll just move everything from iCloud to Google since Apple obviously doesn't like its 28 month old operating system, but loves the competitor's 58 month old OS...
We'll see that...
Regarding Apple forcing you to run it in new hardware, what are you talking about? I'm running it on a 2007 MBP, and it runs great, even with just 4GB.
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Uh, correction, just few of you really. Re-check that awesome pole you created that shows that the MOST of us here like Lion. We don't need to use an aging OS such as Snow Leopard to get work done.
And we don't blame the computer for not getting our work done, unless it doesn't boot.
Wow why so defensive, is no one allowed to like anything about Lion since you hate it so much? I was just stating my opinion. Why does it have to be a quirk? It was designed that way, so isn't that considered a design feature, just like the design features of SL (expose, Spaces, etc)? I too hate Mission Control, but I never use it, so it doesn't bother me any more (did after first).
I do miss Spaces, but was just pointing out that with SL the desktop was tied to a Space and caused me lost productivity. Most of what I do at work can be accomplished in OSX, but unfortunately there are certain Software packages I am required to use at work that will more than likely never be ported to Mac (CRM 4.0 for Outlook, there is rumored to be a version in development for Mac, but it won't be 4.0 and will require the entire organization to upgrade, and several HP products and Internet Explorer to run them due to Active X components needed).
The fact that my VM running these versions needs to be up the entire time I am working and the QUIRK of Lion keeping it locked on mty second scene while I navigate around on my main screen increases my productivity. Sorry you don't like this I was just stating a fact that some might not have found if you don't use it.
Heheh, in SL, you could configure any app to show on one specific VM or in all VMs.
The multi-monitor issue in Lion appears only when switching an app to Full Screen mode. SL doesn't support full screen mode, so you don't really loose SL functionality in Lion by not using Full screen mode.
Just like a few others, I believe that the changes to the UI in Lion are in preparation for touch screen enabled Macs, maybe even a tablet that will run OS X.
iTunes and QuickTime both force you into full screen when you want to watch something in full screen mode.
i started out on 10.2. with every new OS, i watch people wonder when the new OS is coming, craving change, enhancements, new stuff.
when the next OS comes, a lot of the same people get hysterical:
why'd they change that? why doesn't it work the way it used to?
then they adapt, time goes on, and they start craving...change, enhancements, new stuff.
eventually, most of these people will move to lion. then, one day, there will be 10.8, and the cycle will start over again.
hey, just my thoughts...!
when the next OS comes, a lot of the same people get hysterical:
why'd they change that? why doesn't it work the way it used to?
then they adapt, time goes on, and they start craving...change, enhancements, new stuff.
eventually, most of these people will move to lion. then, one day, there will be 10.8, and the cycle will start over again.
hey, just my thoughts...!
I use VLC or another player I have to avoid this, or simply use my iPad to play videos. Now the question is: wouldn't watching videos at Full Screen while working affect my productivity?
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i started out on 10.2. with every new OS, i watch people wonder when the new OS is coming, craving change, enhancements, new stuff.
when the next OS comes, a lot of the same people get hysterical:
why'd they change that? why doesn't it work the way it used to?
then they adapt, time goes on, and they start craving...change, enhancements, new stuff.
eventually, most of these people will move to lion. then, one day, there will be 10.8, and the cycle will start over again.
hey, just my thoughts...!
There are three kinds of people in this world:
1) Those who like change and adapt.
2) Those who complain and don't want to adapt, but eventually will adapt.
3) Those who completely refuse to adapt and are proud of it,
Not sure what you are saying, unless you think VM means Virtual Monitor???
By VM I don't mean Virtual Monitor, I mean Virtual Machine (what a VM is). I have to run windows in a VM (I use Fusion, but that is my choice for compatibility with others in my organization). In SL when I opened my VM in the second monitor, it always locked there and didn't move when I switched windows. So if it was the on the second monitor in Desktop1, when I went to Desktop 6, my second monitor would display a blank desktop, and I had to go to Desktop 1 to get access to it again. Maybe there was something with my SL if it wasn't behaving the way Lion does now (doesn't matter which desktop is on main monitor, monitor2 always has my VM Fusion image accessible. If my SL worked the way Lion does, then I would have had even greater productivity.
I messed up in my comment...
I meant desktop. Sorry for the confusion.I know what a VM is. I have used VMWare, Parallels and VirtualBox since the first one came out.
In SL, when you go to spaces, you could add your app to the list and say for example to Show VMWare on All Desktops.
I did it with Skype, so I could continuously chat or use the webcam in full screen even when changing desktops.
The problem with FullScreen using multiple monitors is being fixed. Actually it's up to the FullScreen app to handle what to do with the second monitor, and if not used, it should be handled by the second application.
Either some flake at Apple designed this without noticing this problem, or it was still released on purposes in its current state with the missing functionality being release in a future update.
Regarding Mission Control, once you figure out how it works, it turns out to be better that what SL has.
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I see. Mine never gave me that functionality on the second screen only my main screen had the floating functionality (which I keep as the built in display on my MBP). When I moved my Fusion to the second screen to display, it locked it to whatever desktop was displayed at the time. I always liked to use my second screen, as that is the larger of the two displays (and I hate running into strange issues when the screen was disconnected as I had in the past when I swapped them). I can definitely see the increase in productivity if mine worked that way (which is why I originally stated that if I had that functionality with Spaces functionality I would absolutely love it).
I can somewhat see the use of Mission Control, but honestly hate launchers and prefer to just use the dock (same impression about SL as well). I just open everything that I need and minimize into the dock or in the odd event I need something I don't normally use, I have the Application folder in the dock to get to it quickly (although lately have been relying on finder more and more). I am trying to refine my workflow to work more with me than against me!
I can somewhat see the use of Mission Control, but honestly hate launchers and prefer to just use the dock (same impression about SL as well). I just open everything that I need and minimize into the dock or in the odd event I need something I don't normally use, I have the Application folder in the dock to get to it quickly (although lately have been relying on finder more and more). I am trying to refine my workflow to work more with me than against me!
4) Those who follow without thinking
Not everybody opens their mouth when it starts raining piss
Where did *I* create a pole[sic]. Show me please.Uh, correction, just few of you really. Re-check that awesome pole you created that shows that the MOST of us here like Lion. We don't need to use an aging OS such as Snow Leopard to get work done.
I'll wait here.
OH....my apologies sir..
..you didn't actually create that poll, you just put up a retarded chart and trying to say that the poll that you did post in reflects the declining ratings of Lion which was BS to say the least. Sorry if it bothers you that Lion is here to stay and Snow Leopard is being buried into the earth as we speak but you'll have to deal with it. You've already said you hate Lion or in different words so why not go to the Snow Leopard forum and enjoy being around members that say good things about it? What's the point of you constantly coming here to piss on Lion and attempt to annoy people with sarcastic remarks? There's a "T" word for that.
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I see. Mine never gave me that functionality on the second screen only my main screen had the floating functionality (which I keep as the built in display on my MBP). When I moved my Fusion to the second screen to display, it locked it to whatever desktop was displayed at the time. I always liked to use my second screen, as that is the larger of the two displays (and I hate running into strange issues when the screen was disconnected as I had in the past when I swapped them). I can definitely see the increase in productivity if mine worked that way (which is why I originally stated that if I had that functionality with Spaces functionality I would absolutely love it).
I can somewhat see the use of Mission Control, but honestly hate launchers and prefer to just use the dock (same impression about SL as well). I just open everything that I need and minimize into the dock or in the odd event I need something I don't normally use, I have the Application folder in the dock to get to it quickly (although lately have been relying on finder more and more). I am trying to refine my workflow to work more with me than against me!
Heheh! I hardly ever use the dock. In reality, I found out it's much faster for me to COMMAND-SPACEBAR and type the name of the app I want.
Mission Control is great to delete apps and to group these into categories.
I have an iPad and I'm used to the same layout, but don't really have the time to arrange things. I mainly use it when I forget the name of the app I want to run. With a Magic Trackpad is easy to get to it with a simple gesture.
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In case you didn't noticed, my post was about 'adapting' not 'following', two different words with two different meanings. Hence, your post and #4 don't apply here.
Might try this shortcut (I am open to trying new things that makes things easier), I just don't type very fast or accurate!
It's all a matter of practice. It took a while for me to get used to the new Apple keyboard, after using the standard PC keyboard for about 28 years. Now I love it!
I used to do more Keyboard shortcuts in Windows than using the mouse to get things accomplished.
Now I'm learning to do the same in OS X.