Okay, my apologies for misunderstanding your post. I see what you were saying now. While I do agree that App Expose feature should be incorporated in MC, the feature is available at least. Your post made it seem like there was no way to fully expose app windows.
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Okay, my apologies for misunderstanding your post. I see what you were saying now. While I do agree that App Expose feature should be incorporated in MC, the feature is available at least. Your post made it seem like there was no way to fully expose app windows.
Mackilroy
macrumors 601
False argument – you do not have to. You may want to, but you certainly do not have to. I didn't want to, as Lion works perfectly fine for me.
No, the system really is crap. It's just that some people don't mind, don't notice or can live with crap. Such is life.
frnak
macrumors member
Mac, iOS, and Apple
From what I can see from Apple, is that they're incredibly focused on one portion of their business. After the invention of the iOS, Apple has slowly pulled out of innovating for Mac OS X, but who could blame them, it has hit a critical point where the desktop OS cannot grow as fast as it did before.
That being said though, I'm a little disappointed at just the sheer amount of inconsistencies and mistakes that Apple is making with their desktop softwares. Mission Control is a big one, as I've posted many times in this forum, but other things such as Final Cut Pro and the inconsistencies in full screen apps just makes Apple feel "dumbed down", at least not as perfect as it was before. I used to be super jealous of Mac users and OS X, eventually I got a Macbook Pro, and truly enjoyed the elegance and efficiency of Snow Leopard. But ever since Lion came out, problems (or perhaps bad features) started to show up, and I can no longer distinctively say that the Apple platform is better than Windows.
Maybe it's just because I've been exposed to the Mac side, I'm starting to be more critical of the software, but it certainly seems less "perfect" than it did a few years ago. Aside from that, iOS is probably the most crisp and well done software to date. I just wish if they intend on going to that direction, that they tread carefully in adding new features or changing current features in their operating systems for desktops.
I love Apple, and I love Mac, I just hope they can be perfected like it was a few years ago.
From what I can see from Apple, is that they're incredibly focused on one portion of their business. After the invention of the iOS, Apple has slowly pulled out of innovating for Mac OS X, but who could blame them, it has hit a critical point where the desktop OS cannot grow as fast as it did before.
That being said though, I'm a little disappointed at just the sheer amount of inconsistencies and mistakes that Apple is making with their desktop softwares. Mission Control is a big one, as I've posted many times in this forum, but other things such as Final Cut Pro and the inconsistencies in full screen apps just makes Apple feel "dumbed down", at least not as perfect as it was before. I used to be super jealous of Mac users and OS X, eventually I got a Macbook Pro, and truly enjoyed the elegance and efficiency of Snow Leopard. But ever since Lion came out, problems (or perhaps bad features) started to show up, and I can no longer distinctively say that the Apple platform is better than Windows.
Maybe it's just because I've been exposed to the Mac side, I'm starting to be more critical of the software, but it certainly seems less "perfect" than it did a few years ago. Aside from that, iOS is probably the most crisp and well done software to date. I just wish if they intend on going to that direction, that they tread carefully in adding new features or changing current features in their operating systems for desktops.
I love Apple, and I love Mac, I just hope they can be perfected like it was a few years ago.
I came to Mac during 10.4 from Windows to find a stable platform for DAW work. Tiger was good. Leopard was better. SL was way better--for me. Lion hasn't started out as well as SL did for me & I've gone back to SL for a time but recently returned to Lion on all my macs because plugins were updated, etc...
I don't run anything beside Logic or Waveburner when I am working so I've not had to deal with the issues some in this thread report because that have x number of apps running at once, etc. Lion is now rock solid stable for me & I can get my work done without issue.
If you don't like Lion, don't use it.
If you like it, use it.
Just my 3.5 cents 🙂
I don't run anything beside Logic or Waveburner when I am working so I've not had to deal with the issues some in this thread report because that have x number of apps running at once, etc. Lion is now rock solid stable for me & I can get my work done without issue.
If you don't like Lion, don't use it.
If you like it, use it.
Just my 3.5 cents 🙂
r0k
macrumors 68040
I've upgraded all our machines to Lion. On my Macbook, the beachball is my constant companion. I'm not sure what is causing it. Is it that I leave 3 Chrome windows open with 20 tabs each on my second monitor? Is it that I use ripit and handbrake non stop? Is it TurboCad? Is it the half dozen terminals open with ssh sessions? Is it Xcode? Is it my 20 Totalfinder tabs? All I know is I hear my fan whenever ripit or handbrake is going. I'm tired of that fan. And I'm tired of that spinning beachball. I don't see it as often as I see the snake eating itself on Windows 7, but the beachball should really be a novelty not a constant companion.
Would I blame this stuff on Lion? Not especially, but I do notice less stability than I once enjoyed under SL. I've turned off backwards scrolling. I've turned off open every window of every app every time I reboot or log out and log back in. I'd be hard pressed to come up with "features" I like in Lion beyond iCloud. I don't like the way address book and ical look but I hardly use them anyway. I never touch that "rocket thing" and scrolling endlessly through dozens of pages to find one of 400 apps is something I really don't like about iOS. Mission control works ok for me but I must admit I never made heavy use of expose anyway.
Would I consider going back to SL? I can't think of a scenario where I would consider it but I do wish Apple would tighten up the stability and performance to be on par with Snow Leopard. I hope Apple makes iCloud available to SL users before June 2012. I imagine there are quite a few who want to hold on to SL, as evidenced by this thread, and kicking them out of Apple's cloud for not being on the latest OS is heavy handed, IMHO. I should also mention I have a G4 mini on the other side of the room for that handful of Rosetta apps I simply cannot live without.
Would I blame this stuff on Lion? Not especially, but I do notice less stability than I once enjoyed under SL. I've turned off backwards scrolling. I've turned off open every window of every app every time I reboot or log out and log back in. I'd be hard pressed to come up with "features" I like in Lion beyond iCloud. I don't like the way address book and ical look but I hardly use them anyway. I never touch that "rocket thing" and scrolling endlessly through dozens of pages to find one of 400 apps is something I really don't like about iOS. Mission control works ok for me but I must admit I never made heavy use of expose anyway.
Would I consider going back to SL? I can't think of a scenario where I would consider it but I do wish Apple would tighten up the stability and performance to be on par with Snow Leopard. I hope Apple makes iCloud available to SL users before June 2012. I imagine there are quite a few who want to hold on to SL, as evidenced by this thread, and kicking them out of Apple's cloud for not being on the latest OS is heavy handed, IMHO. I should also mention I have a G4 mini on the other side of the room for that handful of Rosetta apps I simply cannot live without.
GermanyChris
macrumors 601
As all the positive that show up in this thread show it's not crap..good and bad are subjective..
I does/doesn't work for me I love/hate Lion..
Lion is fine it just "feels heavy" that feeling is unpleasant. Lion feels a lot like Ubuntu does in Linux.
cubbie5150
macrumors 6502a
Can't believe it, but I'm gonna ditch Lion & go back to Snow Leopard too. Guess Lion just wasn't meant for an older machine like mine (2.16GHz C2d, pre-Santa Rosa MBP; maxed-out 3 GB RAM). I'm getting tired of all the system lock-ups when watching video (especially HD, 720p vid regardless of whether I'm using QT/Perian, VLC or M PlayerX). I have to do a hard shut-down (hold down power button, then re-start); PITA also since auto-resume always makes all apps start-up upon re-boot. Also lots of random graphics glitches (go away w/ either mouse or keyboard input). I have Snow Leo on an external FW drive, and watching the same video causes zero issues. It HAS to be Lion....
r0k
macrumors 68040
I returned my Santa Rosa Macbook for my Penryn Macbook so I'm only a generation newer than you. Lion is on all our machines, including several Minis with only 2 gig of RAM. It runs fine (for casual use). In my Macbook, I have 4 gig of RAM and a "hybrid" SSD HDD. I see the beachball entirely too much. I had to hold power down to restart my machine several times the other day. But it was software, not Lion. Chrome's wheels come off almost daily and I had some DVD ripper that lost its brains and murdered my session (requiring a power button hold to reboot). But these minor quirks are very rare and are not enough to make me consider going back to SL.
BTW, you do realize you can shut off many of the things in Lion that annoy you, right? Getting rid of backwards scrolling is a few clicks in system preferences and so is getting rid of opening applications with all their previous documents. Lastly, getting rid of opening everything after a reboot is another quick preference toggle (as far as I can recall - I reboot so rarely these days). The biggest offending hoggish apps I have are Chrome, Safari, iPhoto (if I leave it running), and especially handbrake.
Once I get beyond this rash of DVD ripping I'm into, I expect things to settle down nicely again. When I'm done ripping I can put those stinking DVD disks down in the basement next to the Blu Ray disks, CD roms, SD cards, vinyl records, 8 tracks, reel to reel tapes, film cameras and buggy whips. Oh, yeah. I've got some older OS X DVDs and CDs down there as well.
vitzr
macrumors 68030
I'm continuing to acclimate & evaluate Lion as it came on my 2011 MBA. In fairness to both Apple & my own preferences, I cannot say it's an upgrade _Yet.
My highly optimized, fast & stable Snow Leopard Macs still rule the roost. I'm so glad I did not compromise my workflow by installing Lion on them.
That said, as I continue to wait and see, perhaps Apple's future revs of Lion will elevate it to where it should be as Apples best work.
As of the present, it seems secondary as they continue their laser like focus on iOS. It's an understandable addiction Apple has developed, due to their insatiable appetite for more fame, more money, more headlines, more influence, power and control.
iToyz saved Apple & introduced them to mass market retailing. Perhaps it's fitting that Lion has less of a roar, so as not to overshadow iOS.
After all Apple did forewarn us. It's Apples Post PC Era now.
My highly optimized, fast & stable Snow Leopard Macs still rule the roost. I'm so glad I did not compromise my workflow by installing Lion on them.
That said, as I continue to wait and see, perhaps Apple's future revs of Lion will elevate it to where it should be as Apples best work.
As of the present, it seems secondary as they continue their laser like focus on iOS. It's an understandable addiction Apple has developed, due to their insatiable appetite for more fame, more money, more headlines, more influence, power and control.
iToyz saved Apple & introduced them to mass market retailing. Perhaps it's fitting that Lion has less of a roar, so as not to overshadow iOS.
After all Apple did forewarn us. It's Apples Post PC Era now.
I've been using T-Mobile's HSPA+ network for almost 18 months. You shouldn't jump to conclusions if you are not completely certain of yourself.
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Apple is using a different SMB client in Lion now. They dropped the open source client.
jameslmoser
macrumors 6502a
I didn't say you have to... You toke my comment out of context. I'm happy your computing needs are simple enough to be satisfied by Lion. But it does not for me or most complaining. The simple fact is that previous versions of os x did. Lion is no upgrade in any sense of the word.
Mackilroy
macrumors 601
You have no idea what my computing needs are, so don't be patronizing. You also don't understand why I said that the way I did. If someone upgrades to Lion but then wants some of the OS behaviors from SL, then yes, they do have to. Or they should have remained on Snow Leopard. There's a good many people who upgrade simply without thinking and then complain *this happened when we went from OS 9 to OS X, from PPC to Intel and now it's happening again. I'm not saying you do this, mind you but a good many people have.
Lion is an upgrade in many senses of the word. Whether you recognize that or not is your own choice.
how is snow leopard email
does it have reader receipt facility and can you create a default stationery?
does it have reader receipt facility and can you create a default stationery?
jameslmoser
macrumors 6502a
Can youname one thing that lion provides the user that they couldn't get with snow leopard by some other software? and the fact that it was an option to add is also a benefit of running snow leopard. If you can name any, I bet I can name twice as many things lion took away.
Lion is no upgrade... There is nothing for me to recognize. It Apple's iOS based sales pitch attempt at selling more notebooks to iPhone and iPad users.
Mackilroy
macrumors 601
Why pay for third-party software when it's built into the OS? And it may not be done as well (or better, perhaps, but Apple generally has excellent UI design). Say you're a PC user with an iOS device that you really like, and you're contemplating switching to the Mac. However, you're unsure you'll be able to get used to the way OS X works. Taking cues from iOS such as multitouch gestures (built in, not from third-party sources such as BetterTouchTool) for easy control, Launchpad to find all your apps, Auto Save so you don't lose documents, and Resume so things are where you left them – while long-time users sometimes find those irritating, for someone brand-new to the Mac, they're a Godsend.
And no, you are wrong. Lion is not an iOS-based sales pitch. It's still OS X, but in this case happens to have features borrowed from iOS to make computing easier for new people and switchers. If you happen not to like that, that's your problem.
Try and look at Lion from the perspective of someone new or unfamiliar with the OS. Your viewpoint (and the viewpoint of people who hate or dislike Lion) isn't the only one, and I would wager that it's a smaller one than of those who don't mind, don't care, or do like Lion. If you want to convince Apple to return features you preferred, more power to you – but at the same time, try and walk in someone else's shoes before pretentiously dismissing something.
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OMG, are you serious? Why should anyone have to install 3rd party software to do Full Screen, Cut N Paste, Auto Correct, Spotlight Enhancements, etc..? That's stupid for anyone to have to do. By your logic we all might as well have stayed on Tiger or Leopard or even 10.1 since we can add 3rd party software to get the same features as the newer OS. 🙄
I can wholeheartedly name a piece of software you should use in lieu of Lion if Lion bothers you so much, it's called "Windows". Enjoy. 😛
jameslmoser
macrumors 6502a
Again, both of you.. I never said have to, not having to is an option, an added feature.. Unlike with lion it's shoved down your throat if you want it or not. And you guys seriously need to discover open source software. I didn't mean pay for any of it. Apple uses so much open source software to put together their os it's not funny. They didn't write the whole thing.
And you say windows like its a bad thing.. Compared to lion it is not. And I am quite happy with snow leopard. iOS X Lion isn't an upgrade, so snow leopard is still the best version of os x.
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I work in IT. I know of no one personally who likes lion over snow leopard, or any one who switched to macs because of lion. I do know people who are going to windows because of lion. Also, since lion has been out about 6 months now and Mac os share in total is declining, and snow leopard is still over 50% of the Mac share while lion is less than 20%, I would like to know what you are basing your wager on.
tigres
macrumors 601
Can't buy a new MBA and run SL. That's a fail by apple- Lion does NOT play nice in anything to do with windows networks like SL. SL is a perfect companion with my windows domain and Lion is an ass.
PinkyMacGodess
Suspended
YES SIR!
I hated Snow Leopard when it came out. I did a system with it and stuff just started failing all over the place. No printers, no scanner, no practically everything. As Uncle Steve would probably say 'This is a piece of ****!!!'...
But after a total wipe/reinstall on that system, and waiting for the newer distro, the problems went away. Like magic... I waited until .2 was released to upgrade the rest of the systems here. Same for Lion... Just did the last of the upgrades last week. (No issues so far, except for the dial up I posted today)
On HP color laser printers: We had one that we just, and to our credit HP couldn't either, get to work. Ever. Even though the box said 'MAC OSX COMPATIBLE'. The printer evidently can't read... Again, Uncle Steve would say 'What a piece of ****!!!'. Donated it to a church and got a newer one and things have been good...
(I remember yelling at the HP 'technician' at the other end of yet another support call on that older HP color LaserJet... After going through the same **** over and over again. Finally I got 'expedited' to a real tech, not from HP, who said that nothing in that printer was HP (except the label) and that they themselves (wouldn't tell me what company he worked for - odd) had a real problem getting it to work with the Mac too. He suggested that we take it back (too late) or sell it and get a different model. So far we have had no issues (knock on wood) on the replacement, but that earlier one sucked... Evidently many of the earlier HP models were in that 'major suck' category...)
Yeah, Cut, Copy N Paste in Finder, especially the way it works in Lion. Windows 7 doesn't even do Cut, Copy N Paste the intuitive way Lion does it. So show me that 3rd party piece of software for Snow Leopard that will do this Mr. Balmer. 😛