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1999$, and it is HALF AS FAST as it is a 4 thread instead of an 8 thread machine!
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8 threads doesn't make a computer twice as fast as 4 threads. Hyperthreading lets you run two threads on one core, so they can better utilize the resources of the core in case one (or both) of the threads isn't making maximum use of the core by itself. But it's nowhere close to the performance you would get by just having more cores.
 
It doesn't show anything, because the numbers of PC users vs Apple users are not equal, so a difference of a few percent doesn't mean anything because of the effect of noise.

I haven't seen the sample size but that figure strikes me a very likely to be accurate.

HP sell machines from £300 upwards. The machines at the bottom end do suffer frequent issues.

I would think that at similar price points physical reliability would be similar between Apple and HP. Apple just don't go for the bottom end.

Software reliability is another thing altogether and isn't reflected in that linked article. From my own experience I have suffered more software issues with OSX than with Windows.
 
I'm a fellow Apple/Mac fan but no point in spreading misinformation like this. It took me all of 30 seconds to find that you can get an Ivy Bridge i7 computer that turbos up to 3.9 GHz on Dell's web site for $750. That's significantly better than the i5s that are in the base model iMacs.

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All the 27" 2560x1440 monitors use the same LCD panel from LG. You can get these no problem for $600-$700. At that price range they may have inferior backlights and they will probably not have tempered glass covering them, so they won't look as sexy. On the other hand, a lot of people hate the reflections from the glass on the iMacs so maybe that's not such a big disadvantage. If you are willing to spend little more, I'm sure you can find a model with a top quality backlight and glass on the front.

So that $750 Dell machine comes with one of those "$600-$700" 2560x1440 panels, right? Otherwise how is it a valid comparison to make with the iMac.

"I bought this car for 50% less! It doesn't have any doors though, but it;s totally half the cost of the other car!"
 
It's interesting.

I've had my imac screen replaced along with my graphics card due to overheating. But apart from that, there's nothing that's happened to my imac that a simple switch off - switch on hasn't resolved immediately. And I've never had any trouble with my previous desktop macs and all my laptops.

But in helping many friends through their problems, often times it IS their fault. Especially how they use the machine and still expect it to work perfectly. People are ignorant and just expect they can use things anyway they like and have them work perfectly still. It just doesn't work that way. It always amazes me when people click on links to download software that installs a virus and then they blame the computer. No personal responsibility.

As for buying a Windows machine for half the price. Sure you can, but it simply won't be as good. No matter what the specs tell you. There's more to a computer than just specs. Apple software is excellent and for consumers this is worth a lot more than the price of a computer.
 
The new iMac that I’ve been waiting for so patiently is such a letdown, really disappointed. I feel cheated.

I fear you're about to find out [in computing terms] what feeling disappointed and cheated really means.

Forget about whether your DVD drive is external, or not. Forget about styling. Try comparing your productivity.
 
Your bizarre and distorted views are yours and yours alone.

I don't agree with what he said about everyone else, but I do agree with his personal distaste for Windows, which means I also disagree with your statement that he shares his views alone.

Make sense?
 
All I have to say is I was glad that it wasn't retina imac. I bought 27 2011 model and put ssd about 4 month ago and have been super happy about it. I am praying that I can drag my current imac for another 4 years. New one looks superb but I don't have to upgrade unless there is retina upgrade in monitor for 27 inch. (also the other thing that will tempt me is if they expand the screen to something larger. )

And yes, I have tried this before but getting 27 inch monitor w/ building decent desktop takes a bit of dent( meaning imac 27 is not really a rip off ).
Also, having ultra stable osx as basic os and running virtual machine to host other OS works out really well.
 
ive never once actually needed a 27" screen. If i did. i'd hook up my computer to a 50"tv.

I dont understand why you would ue an iMac, when a macbook pro has the same ****, but is portable.
 
ive never once actually needed a 27" screen. If i did. i'd hook up my computer to a 50"tv.

I dont understand why you would ue an iMac, when a macbook pro has the same ****, but is portable.

NO offense but what are you doing in imac section then?
 
ive never once actually needed a 27" screen. If i did. i'd hook up my computer to a 50"tv.

I dont understand why you would ue an iMac, when a macbook pro has the same ****, but is portable.

Your 50" TV has a much lower resolution than the 27 inch iMac, and would give you the same usable space as the 21.5 inch model. Believe it or not, people actually use computers for things like work, which requires more usable space than a tiny 15 inch screen.

Also, the new iMacs have considerably better graphics card options than any Mac laptop that you can buy, as well as better processors. You get a specced out iMac for just a bit more than the price of an entry level retina MacBook Pro, as well.

The only advantage to having a Mac laptop is portability. For some, it's important, but for others, it's not.
 
This dude has a point.

This dude has a point.

You get more computing power for your money when you buy a Pc.

But this is a Macforum so expect no friendly reactions.
 
Your 50" TV has a much lower resolution than the 27 inch iMac, and would give you the same usable space as the 21.5 inch model. Believe it or not, people actually use computers for things like work, which requires more usable space than a tiny 15 inch screen.

Also, the new iMacs have considerably better graphics card options than any Mac laptop that you can buy, as well as better processors. You get a specced out iMac for just a bit more than the price of an entry level retina MacBook Pro, as well.

The only advantage to having a Mac laptop is portability. For some, it's important, but for others, it's not.

I've seen plenty of people use macs professionally, some even doing video editing that required the screen resolution you are speaking of, along with photographers of the Same needs.
My bad.
 
I don't think Apple ever targeted you as a customer, to be honest. Enjoy your PC.

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This dude has a point.

You get more computing power for your money when you buy a Pc.

But this is a Macforum so expect no friendly reactions.

What an original thought. I had never heard that before.
 
OK lets compare fair!
Grab a Mini with 2.6Ghz quad i7
Grab a TB display
Add 4Gb
Together 1940$
The most expensive iMac:
1999$, and it is HALF AS FAST as it is a 4 thread instead of an 8 thread machine!
Cant compare to BTO iMac options as they are unknown and unprized yet.

The first and cheapest setup is available right now.
The second is probably in time for Christmas, and we don't know yet how the iMac will deal with its childhood diseases.

Apple kills its iMac from inside and from the bottom. Unbelievable.

Please stop comparing. This is cringe-worthy and the younger, more impressionable readers will actually believe this.
 
So that $750 Dell machine comes with one of those "$600-$700" 2560x1440 panels, right? Otherwise how is it a valid comparison to make with the iMac.

"I bought this car for 50% less! It doesn't have any doors though, but it;s totally half the cost of the other car!"

Uh, no. If you read the post I quoted, it claimed that an i7 PC costs $1200 before adding the cost of a monitor. Which is what I was refuting.
 
Then you are doing something wrong.

What do you mean by "crashes"?

Programmes either crashing or needing to be force quit.

The beach ball seems to be a far too frequent occurrence as well.

I also seem to have network connectivity (over a wired Gigabit Ethernet connection) issues that the Windows based machines on the same network don't experience.

Saying "you are doing something wrong" could be easily applied to people complaining about crashes under Windows.
 
Programmes either crashing or needing to be force quit.

The beach ball seems to be a far too frequent occurrence as well.

I also seem to have network connectivity (over a wired Gigabit Ethernet connection) issues that the Windows based machines on the same network don't experience.

Saying "you are doing something wrong" could be easily applied to people complaining about crashes under Windows.

Do you believe this is normal behaviour? Why have you not taken the computer back yet?
 
It's sort of a question of your needs.
Nevertheless, for people who aren't gamers, browsers, etc and need machines for work that generates money the iMacs are, well, home user computers. There are reasons why there are still far, far more Dells sitting on business desks out there.

Yes, and the reason has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with corporate service contracts. It's pretty nice when your laptop dies and the Dell rep just drives out gives you a new one as a replacement.
 
Do you believe this is normal behaviour? Why have you not taken the computer back yet?


No, I have this too. I use the mac for more than just playing angry birds on a 27" screen, and often it does crash. My first white macbook/mac mini never needed to be restarted, this doesn't seem to be the case with machines running newer versions of OSX.

Also, like I said, macs poorly handle dual-screen setups.

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Yes, and the reason has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with corporate service contracts. It's pretty nice when your laptop dies and the Dell rep just drives out gives you a new one as a replacement.

You actually believe this?

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It's interesting.

I've had my imac screen replaced along with my graphics card due to overheating. But apart from that, there's nothing that's happened to my imac that a simple switch off - switch on hasn't resolved immediately. And I've never had any trouble with my previous desktop macs and all my laptops.

But in helping many friends through their problems, often times it IS their fault. Especially how they use the machine and still expect it to work perfectly. People are ignorant and just expect they can use things anyway they like and have them work perfectly still. It just doesn't work that way. It always amazes me when people click on links to download software that installs a virus and then they blame the computer. No personal responsibility.

As for buying a Windows machine for half the price. Sure you can, but it simply won't be as good. No matter what the specs tell you. There's more to a computer than just specs. Apple software is excellent and for consumers this is worth a lot more than the price of a computer.

Keep drinking the kool aid. I personally find it really disruptive when I have to restart my mac to fix issues. Hardly helps productivity.
 
I mean who is still upgrading their towers from 2006? 2008?

Unfortunately, me. 2007, actually - its an off-lease HP xw8400 workstation. Dual quad core Xeons and 12GB of RAM, striped SSDs and Win 7 (NO WAY on Win 8). I really, really, REALLY want a new iMac... but don't need it and can't afford it.

My biggest beef with my HP, though, is that it serves double as a space heater. :D My little 8' x 9' office is typically 5-10 degrees warmer than the rest of the house. I just don't see a new iMac on my teacher's salary and with a new baby anywhere in my future. Now I'm wondering if this HP would work well as a hackintosh... hmm...

Back to the thread (sorry!), I think its a shame that Apple removed the DVD drive from BOTH iMacs. I can see it being gone from the smaller 21.5" (not that I agree), but why not keep a slim DVD in the 27"?
 
I have a Mac that rarely needs to be restarted at home and at work a PC that rarely needs to be restarted. Apparently I live in a unique universe, or I just make sure my stuff works.
 
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