Goodbye my lovely new macbook....

[morrisman1]

just to get a little off topic

here in NZ dell has the xps m1330 starting at $1800. same specs as base macbook but:

~ only ddr2 ram
~ nvidia 8400 128mb instead of 9400 256mb (not sure of the real life difference between them)
~ the worlds crappiest trackpad
~ older but higher clocked core 2 duo. its a t8100, the same as in the 2.1ghz macbook.
~ non integrated 802.11n wireless - its in a mini express card
~ it does have a 250gb hard drive standard though

to get the LED monitor you have to pay an extra $150

take that into account and you end up with something costing about $2000. I just paid $2150 for a 2.0ghz alu macbook so only a difference of NZ$150. thats a very small price to pay for a premium designed laptop with nice things like multitouch and aluminium body, something you can sit on your lap without overheating, something that doesnt turn on randomly in the laptop bag (this happens to my mates m1330 and it overheats as a result), and most importantly, something running OSX.

 

[mosx]

Need an optometrist?


I call no way. That's a fact, Jack.

Actually, my optometrist tells me I have some of the best eye sight he has ever seen

I just don't fall for hype.

It is mosx. Take that in consideration.

Yeah! Let's all attack the guy who isn't a sheep and actually speaks the truth!

Nope it still uses a 4200 RPM drive. Not sure if it's ATA or not though.

Didn't you read your own link? haha.

I thought Apple had gone with the 5400RPM version of the drive. At that time of the announcement, only the 5400RPM SATA drive was available. So Apple either got a new version of the drive or they're intentionally slowing it to 4200RPM.

I was in the lovely apple store in Arndale Center, Manchester last friday and i can honestly say the Air's screen is definitely better than the Macbooks. I could easily see wash out and inverted blacks on the MB, whereas the Air had much better colours and blacks over a wider range of angles

I've been at the Apple Store in Victoria Gardens a few times over the last month and I've used the new MacBook Airs at local stores as well. Every time I've played with a MacBook Air the screen has been different than the last, even though I would go in to the preferences and calibrate it. The screens on the MacBook Air vary in quality just as much as those on the MacBook and MacBook Pro. I've seen really bad MacBook Air screens, like one at the local Best Buy that basically turned purple just by clicking the "TV Gamma" option in the calibration wizard. And I've seen some that look good. Much the same way I've seen bad MacBook Pro screens (yellow) and some good. Based on my experience with all of the different models I've used myself, the average "good" MacBook Air screen is definitely no better than the average good MacBook screen.

~ nvidia 8400 128mb instead of 9400 256mb (not sure of the real life difference between them)

I have a GeForce 8400M GS (same as the one in the XPS) in my HP with a 2GHz Core 2 Duo running on the Santa Rosa platform. I have the 2GHz aluminum MacBook.

My experience has been that the 9400M in the MacBook actually outperforms the 8400M GS by twice as much on average. The best example is UT3. Using the same settings, in areas where the 8400M GS will get 30-35fps, the 9400M will push a solid 60fps. In areas where the 8400M GS drops down to around 18fps, the 9400M will push 40.

But let's not forget that, here in the US, for ~$1299 you can get a 15.4" HP with a faster processor, twice the RAM, a 512MB GeForce 9600M GT, a 1680x1050 screen and a blu-ray drive.

 

[leekohler]

More times than not, these threads about the screen (FW also) become a bash session. Hence why I said what I did.

True enough, but the screens are in fact, bad. There's just no getting around that.

 

[VSMacOne]

I think side by side, MBP and MBA will beat MB hands down.
HOWEVER, some people might be ok with the MB screen. That's why it's SOO IMPORTANT not to take anybody's words (because we all see them differently) and just go play with them in the store, and see what you're comfortable with. Simple as that...

 

[jav6454]

Please, people, we know you-know-who appeared in this thread, therefor lets all not mention the V-word and simply not feed the troll. Lets keep it civil.

By the way, going to PCs is not going to solve the problem. Complaining to Apple will, in difference to many OEMs, Apple does listen.

Don't quote me on this, its my personal experience on the matter (Dell and HP both gave me terrible CS). Quoting me means someone wants to start a fire war.

 

[mosx]

Please, people, we know you-know-who appeared in this thread, therefor lets all not mention the V-word and simply not feed the troll. Lets keep it civil.

By the way, going to PCs is not going to solve the problem. Complaining to Apple will, in difference to many OEMs, Apple does listen.

Don't quote me on this, its my personal experience on the matter (Dell and HP both gave me terrible CS). Quoting me means someone wants to start a fire war.

Complaining to Apple doesn't do much. Look how long people complained about the Intel graphics in the MacBook before they finally got upgraded. When they did get upgraded it wasn't even what most people wanted. Why do we still have integrated? Why can't we have dedicated?

Look at what happens when Apple has known defects in hardware. It sometimes takes class action lawsuits to get them to do anything. Sometimes it takes governments stepping in.

Now look at HP. They had issues with the keyboards on some of their systems a few years ago. They fixed the problems in the immediate new revision (not 4 revisions later like Apple and the complaints about the Intel graphics) and anyone who had issues could complain and get a replacement.

 

[VSMacOne]

Complaining to Apple doesn't do much. Look how long people complained about the Intel graphics in the MacBook before they finally got upgraded. When they did get upgraded it wasn't even what most people wanted. Why do we still have integrated? Why can't we have dedicated?

Look at what happens when Apple has known defects in hardware. It sometimes takes class action lawsuits to get them to do anything. Sometimes it takes governments stepping in.

Now look at HP. They had issues with the keyboards on some of their systems a few years ago. They fixed the problems in the immediate new revision (not 4 revisions later like Apple and the complaints about the Intel graphics) and anyone who had issues could complain and get a replacement.

What the heck are we doing buying Macs?!!? Let's switch to HP's and ALL of our problems will be solved! ... ugh

 

[NC MacGuy]

I've been at the Apple Store in Victoria Gardens a few times over the last month and I've used the new MacBook Airs at local stores as well. Every time I've played with a MacBook Air the screen has been different than the last, even though I would go in to the preferences and calibrate it. The screens on the MacBook Air vary in quality just as much as those on the MacBook and MacBook Pro. I've seen really bad MacBook Air screens, like one at the local Best Buy that basically turned purple just by clicking the "TV Gamma" option in the calibration wizard. And I've seen some that look good. Much the same way I've seen bad MacBook Pro screens (yellow) and some good. Based on my experience with all of the different models I've used myself, the average "good" MacBook Air screen is definitely no better than the average good MacBook screen.

Quote from Gizmodo said much better than I could have in reply to your silly post:

"The screens, too, are deceptively different between the MB and MBP. Both share LED backlighting and the shiny screen coating that can be quite a distraction—a user will find himself staring at his reflection with any decent amount of ambient light. But it's important to note that, beyond the spec-sheet distinction of the 13-inch screen's 1280x800 pixels and the 15-incher's 1440x900, these are not identical LCD technologies in different sizes.

The difference is clear when demoing an MPEG4 of Batman Begins. The MBP screen is warmer than the MB's to the discerning eye, but any dunce will catch the massive differences in contrast and viewing angle. Our shots in the dark exacerbate the MB's less impressive black levels, but this photo really is close to what we saw. As for the unwatchable distortions in image quality when five feet out or standing at a not-so-unthinkable viewing angle, those are just as bad to the naked eye as they are to camera. Notice the MBP screen remains unblemished from any angle/distance.

One design element of note: Both screens now tilt back another 10 to 15 degrees over previous generations. If you've ever sat there watching a Windows person pushing your MacBook display past its rotation point, you'll recognize just how important this update will be."

 

[Vulcan]

What the heck are we doing buying Macs?!!? Let's switch to HP's and ALL of our problems will be solved! ... ugh

Haha, better sell this MacBook, to HP All kidding aside, as obvious as it may be, Apple doesn't care to make major (prompt) changes to their models is 90% of the users will buy them either way.

 

[VSMacOne]

Quote from Gizmodo said much better than I could have in reply to your silly post:

"The screens, too, are deceptively different between the MB and MBP. Both share LED backlighting and the shiny screen coating that can be quite a distraction—a user will find himself staring at his reflection with any decent amount of ambient light. But it's important to note that, beyond the spec-sheet distinction of the 13-inch screen's 1280x800 pixels and the 15-incher's 1440x900, these are not identical LCD technologies in different sizes.

The difference is clear when demoing an MPEG4 of Batman Begins. The MBP screen is warmer than the MB's to the discerning eye, but any dunce will catch the massive differences in contrast and viewing angle. Our shots in the dark exacerbate the MB's less impressive black levels, but this photo really is close to what we saw. As for the unwatchable distortions in image quality when five feet out or standing at a not-so-unthinkable viewing angle, those are just as bad to the naked eye as they are to camera. Notice the MBP screen remains unblemished from any angle/distance.

One design element of note: Both screens now tilt back another 10 to 15 degrees over previous generations. If you've ever sat there watching a Windows person pushing your MacBook display past its rotation point, you'll recognize just how important this update will be."

Good post. Gizmodo seems like a reliable source. It makes sense though.... I mean I'd be pretty pissed if I paid $2000+ for a laptop and somebody who bought a 1300-1700 laptop gets the same screen quality... I agree, MB screens can be improved, but they are MOST LIKELY never going to be as good as the Pros.... IMO

 

[hogfaninga]

Good post. Gizmodo seems like a reliable source. It makes sense though.... I mean I'd be pretty pissed if I paid $2000+ for a laptop and somebody who bought a 1300-1700 laptop gets the same screen quality... I agree, MB screens can be improved, but they are MOST LIKELY never going to be as good as the Pros.... IMO

Nor should they be, but they should make them better than they are.

 

[tthf]

i would love a MBP but i don't need and thus get to save the extra $$. the MB serves my requirements just fine. besides it goes almost everywhere with me during the work week, so its weight and size is perfect. very happy with my MB!

 

[Ironic]

I loved my MB 2.4 but jumped ship to a new MBA and really love the silver bezel much better.

 

[jav6454]

And I was quoted... goes to show... nvm.

Anyway, posting in regards to the Gizmodo review. I read it, I knew what to expect, but when I compared to previous screen in my HP, liked the MB screen better.

As I stated before, it comes down to the individual. I really don't need a top of the line screen, but that doesn't mean I will accept cat for hare (means I won't accept inferior quality). However, the screen quality proves so far better than my previous laptop and therefore works fine with me.

Might not work same way from other users who demand better screens or come from laptops with better screens. Again, its individual cases...

 

[brop52]

I'm fine with the TN panel on my 20" Alum iMac and on my 2GHz Alum MB. I know it isn't spectacular, but the blacks improved tremendously after running Supercal for monitor calibration. The glossy is slightly irritating when you are in front of a window, but I close the blinds and it is fine. Other than that I love the machine. It's not for everyone. Make sure you have a stand to use that way you don't have to worry about the viewing angle as it should be level with your eyes. It is a notebook, you move it until it is in range of the optimal viewing angle. Enjoy your MBP!

 

[HoldFastHope]

I can't believe it's been one month now and people are still going on about this.

I almost miss the glossy vs matte debates.

EDIT: Ok, my last comment was a bit nasty. I just think there's a lot of unnecessary bashing of the MB's on here.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people are wrong if they do.

 

[mosx]

Quote from Gizmodo said much better than I could have in reply to your silly post:

"The screens, too, are deceptively different between the MB and MBP. Both share LED backlighting and the shiny screen coating that can be quite a distraction—a user will find himself staring at his reflection with any decent amount of ambient light. But it's important to note that, beyond the spec-sheet distinction of the 13-inch screen's 1280x800 pixels and the 15-incher's 1440x900, these are not identical LCD technologies in different sizes.

The difference is clear when demoing an MPEG4 of Batman Begins. The MBP screen is warmer than the MB's to the discerning eye, but any dunce will catch the massive differences in contrast and viewing angle. Our shots in the dark exacerbate the MB's less impressive black levels, but this photo really is close to what we saw. As for the unwatchable distortions in image quality when five feet out or standing at a not-so-unthinkable viewing angle, those are just as bad to the naked eye as they are to camera. Notice the MBP screen remains unblemished from any angle/distance.

One design element of note: Both screens now tilt back another 10 to 15 degrees over previous generations. If you've ever sat there watching a Windows person pushing your MacBook display past its rotation point, you'll recognize just how important this update will be."

And that proves my point.

The screens Apple uses are very hit and miss.

As I said, I've seen some great looking MBP screens and some very bad ones. I've seen (and have) great MacBook screens, but I have seen some bad ones. Same goes for the MBA.

A couple of people from Gizmodo (a site that most people don't like) looking at two different systems does do NOT represent ALL peoples opinions and those two individual systems DO NOT represent the millions of MacBooks and MacBook Pros out there that will be sold or have already been sold.

End of discussion.

The MacBook screens, on average, are not bad. They're quite good. If you want to use the ridiculously poor logic that a couple of bad screens mean the entire notebook line is fitted with bad screens, then you could easily say tha the MacBook Pro line represents the worst in the entire market of 15.4" notebooks considering how many had yellow, grainy, and striping screens.

The only reason people bash the MacBook is because they know they spent far too much money on a MacBook Pro and they could have had 3x the system for roughly half as much if they had gone with a PC. So they target the MacBook and try to make it out to be junk to make themselves feel better knowing that its currently the only system Apple makes thats priced right and not double what it should cost.

 

[VSMacOne]

And that proves my point.

The screens Apple uses are very hit and miss.

As I said, I've seen some great looking MBP screens and some very bad ones. I've seen (and have) great MacBook screens, but I have seen some bad ones. Same goes for the MBA.

A couple of people from Gizmodo (a site that most people don't like) looking at two different systems does do NOT represent ALL peoples opinions and those two individual systems DO NOT represent the millions of MacBooks and MacBook Pros out there that will be sold or have already been sold.

End of discussion.

The MacBook screens, on average, are not bad. They're quite good. If you want to use the ridiculously poor logic that a couple of bad screens mean the entire notebook line is fitted with bad screens, then you could easily say tha the MacBook Pro line represents the worst in the entire market of 15.4" notebooks considering how many had yellow, grainy, and striping screens.

The only reason people bash the MacBook is because they know they spent far too much money on a MacBook Pro and they could have had 3x the system for roughly half as much if they had gone with a PC. So they target the MacBook and try to make it out to be junk to make themselves feel better knowing that its currently the only system Apple makes thats priced right and not double what it should cost.

Come on dude!! Where have you been for the past month?!?! OVERALL this is how the screens are laid out:
Best - MBP
Second best - MBA
Third best - MB

Why argue with that?!? That's a given, as they are all in different segments.
NOW the fact is that there are BIG differences among the screens in each line, which make some of the comparisons pointless.
You can argue about this all day long, but that's how things are!

The only reason people bash the MacBook is because they know they spent far too much money on a MacBook Pro and they could have had 3x the system for roughly half as much if they had gone with a PC. So they target the MacBook and try to make it out to be junk to make themselves feel better knowing that its currently the only system Apple makes thats priced right and not double what it should cost.

Seriously?! Why do you have to be a little kid about this? How would you like it if someone said that the ONLY reason you're defending the MB screens is to make yourself feel better about your purchase?!?

I LOVE the MB and the screen works like a champ for me.... that's MY personal point of view. But others are entitled to their own.

 

[BitingThrough]

Bad Bad Apple Junk

My first Mac was a MacPlus, now decades later and many Macs later - it seems they are really shipping junk plagued with problems to match their tech-jerk-arounds who seem more apt at having you return your computer (or iPod) than being able to really assist, or they will keep you busy with clean installs, and reinstalls, or maybe will say they "need some information from your system profile" in order to "see what is going on" so they can "figure out a solution". Have you ever called in to get help with the AppleCare you are paying for then wonder why the "tech" is giving you PC/Windows instructions and you have to explain the difference to this AppleCare tech? Paying for applecare? Do you know what you might get? see youtube video - link below.

Do other people's accessible hard drives mount on your MBP's desktop after AppleCare tech instructions and special help, then they tell you it is "impossible to access other's hard drives even if they show up on your desktop", then when you prove it to them with who's, how many, where, when, witnesses, etc, they "accidently" lock you out of your computer? Oops, they were sorry, but wanted to know if all my saved correspondences with previous techs was on my now locked-out hard drive - "yes", I informed then, then their shared that the fix was would probably loose all on my hard drive data, again, and I will have to do another clean install and would have to re-install all my applications, again. (They will then remind you that they are not responsible for your lost data or down time - lots and lots and lots of down time due to their junky computer problems and inept tech support.) *

Out of the box this MBP's case was ill-fitted, power button and clicker bar crookedly recessed, screen issues, internal issues (airport card, video card, etc.), track pad - big issues, latch sprung, then the fun stuff began...
and continues!

WATCH (and is anyone else experiencing this stuff and/or know a cause):
Bad Apple -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIGElQg4KuY

*Note: As I am always learning and wanted to know 'how to' if a problem arises again, I kept/keep lots of notes, etc. So, each time you need to call an AppleCare tech (or other such calls - you know, quality assurance, training purposes and all that) set up your video camera and put them on speaker phone and hit record, take screen captures and snap shots and take lots of notes and keep/save all correspondences (and, of course, back-up all on an external hard drive and hard copies as needed), who knows, you may need this information for learning tools later (training purposes) or in case they deny you ever had contact for various issues or that a certain tech does or doesn't exist!

Just wondering: their new GREEN Macs, does this mean that all previous Macs are toxic?

 

[VSMacOne]

My first Mac was a MacPlus, now decades later and many Macs later - it seems they are really shipping junk plagued with problems to match their tech-jerk-arounds who seem more apt at having you return your computer (or iPod) than being able to really assist, or they will keep you busy with clean installs, and reinstalls, or maybe will say they "need some information from your system profile" in order to "see what is going on" so they can "figure out a solution". Have you ever called in to get help with the AppleCare you are paying for then wonder why the "tech" is giving you PC/Windows instructions and you have to explain the difference to this AppleCare tech? Paying for applecare? Do you know what you might get? see youtube video - link below.

Do other people's accessible hard drives mount on your MBP's desktop after AppleCare tech instructions and special help, then they tell you it is "impossible to access other's hard drives even if they show up on your desktop", then when you prove it to them with who's, how many, where, when, witnesses, etc, they "accidently" lock you out of your computer? Oops, they were sorry, but wanted to know if all my saved correspondences with previous techs was on my now locked-out hard drive - "yes", I informed then, then their shared that the fix was would probably loose all on my hard drive data, again, and I will have to do another clean install and would have to re-install all my applications, again. (They will then remind you that they are not responsible for your lost data or down time - lots and lots and lots of down time due to their junky computer problems and inept tech support.) *

Out of the box this MBP's case was ill-fitted, power button and clicker bar crookedly recessed, screen issues, internal issues (airport card, video card, etc.), track pad - big issues, latch sprung, then the fun stuff began...
and continues!

WATCH (and is anyone else experiencing this stuff and/or know a cause):
Bad Apple -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIGElQg4KuY

*Note: As I am always learning and wanted to know 'how to' if a problem arises again, I kept/keep lots of notes, etc. So, each time you need to call an AppleCare tech (or other such calls - you know, quality assurance, training purposes and all that) set up your video camera and put them on speaker phone and hit record, take screen captures and snap shots and take lots of notes and keep/save all correspondences (and, of course, back-up all on an external hard drive and hard copies as needed), who knows, you may need this information for learning tools later (training purposes) or in case they deny you ever had contact for various issues or that a certain tech does or doesn't exist!

Just wondering: their new GREEN Macs, does this mean that all previous Macs are toxic?

Wow... glad you could get that load off!! You've built up some hatred over the years haven't you?!

 

[yoavcs]

I love my new MacBook 2.4, but I have to admit the screen is sub-par.

I am one of those people who snickered at all the complainers before buying, thinking it just more of the same from those weird anal-retentive folk who return 7 laptops to Apple because they find a 3 millimeter long scratch on the bottom or a crooked F5 key.

Sadly, in this case the complainers are correct. The screen is sub-par. You can increase the brightness to full and position the laptop in such a way as to have it not be a catastrophe, but this is not a $1400 screen. Not even a $900 screen.

My first Mac was a MacPlus, now decades later and many Macs later - it seems ...

...

...contact for various issues or that a certain tech does or doesn't exist!

Just wondering: their new GREEN Macs, does this mean that all previous Macs are toxic?

Please step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
No one else make any sudden movements.

 

[BitingThrough]

Wow... glad you could get that load off!! You've built up some hatred over the years haven't you?!

Interesting assumption VSMacOne - (possibly a defensive employee with stock options?)! Knowledgeable input to the problem is appreciated, if you have any. The situation with my latest Mac was created by Apple and then they made it worse.

As I have been a customer of Apple and extremely loyal all the way for decades, as mentioned, it is difficult for me to find where you come up with the conclusion that I have "built up some hatred over the years" or that I might be "glad could get that load off".

The MBP in question came out of the box, as mentioned in my post, plagued with problems. I spent a couple years going through the channels and warranty and buying AppleCare as I always do and worked with the techs, and high level techs and sent in my MBP numerous times for all kinds of things and did as techs instructed...

Nearly a year ago when my MBP all of a sudden was picking up other's very accessible hard drives (following high level tech instructions), I continued to work with them as I truly thought, as they expressed, they were trying to find a solution (even though I did not understand why they kept saying this "new feature" was impossible). (Good thing I'm an honest person - I'd hate to think what could have happened if this tech imposed feature was in the wrong hands.)

I called into the tech as soon as I noticed this but each time I was told it was not possible. This went on for several months - until about six months ago when yet another tech at first, also, informed me this was not possible, then left the phone for a while and came back with what he explained was a fix - which by the way, in just a couple of clicks I was completely locked out of my computer. He then sent me to another high level tech.

The week following was more continued fun with high level techs who, first, explained how sorry they were the lock-out happened then voiced doubt I'd ever really encountered the first mentioned high level tech. When proof was later presented, a refraction was made and I was then told 'oh, yeah, now I see one or two emails with [that] tech'. In fact there are dozens if not more emails etc. with this non-existent tech, including one more later that night.

I do not like being lied to nor jerked around or played with while they play CYA, ESPECIALLY with a company I have spent so much money on so many of their products for so many years. I do not like paying for AppleCare only to have the tech's kid answer the phone explaining "my dad's not home right now" when questioned after they didn't know a Mac from a PC. Is that why customer's are having to send in their new Apple products only to be replaced with refurbished ones?

They know they did wrong, they know they lied and they know this MBP is a mess, but their only offer to "fix" is yet more of the same. Send in, clean installs, more down time (lots and lots of this) and more reinstalls of all my purchased applications, especially for expensive applications that have limited installs that require different special requested 'keys' for each. Forget about all the lost work and loss of income due to their errors and poor management and support. Apple and AppleCare did NOT used to be this way.

So for you to assume I have years of "hatred", is quite off base. Maybe you need to read again that I have been a loyal, very strong advocate of Apple and Mac for DECADES, but THEY did wrong to this customer on this MBP, and they should DO THE RIGHT THING! THEY sent bad hardware plagued with even more problems right out of the box and then jerked me around longer than most would have patience for, then outright lied to this long time loyal repeat customer and once strong advocate.

Please step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
No one else make any sudden movements.

funny, made me laugh, cute!
but facts are facts.
no excuses for big business bad behavior.

 

[VSMacOne]

Interesting assumption VSMacOne - (possibly a defensive employee with stock options?)! Knowledgeable input to the problem is appreciated, if you have any. The situation with my latest Mac was created by Apple and then they made it worse.

As I have been a customer of Apple and extremely loyal all the way for decades, as mentioned, it is difficult for me to find where you come up with the conclusion that I have "built up some hatred over the years" or that I might be "glad could get that load off".

The MBP in question came out of the box, as mentioned in my post, plagued with problems. I spent a couple years going through the channels and warranty and buying AppleCare as I always do and worked with the techs, and high level techs and sent in my MBP numerous times for all kinds of things and did as techs instructed...

Nearly a year ago when my MBP all of a sudden was picking up other's very accessible hard drives (following high level tech instructions), I continued to work with them as I truly thought, as they expressed, they were trying to find a solution (even though I did not understand why they kept saying this "new feature" was impossible

....

So for you to assume I have years of "hatred", is quite off base. Maybe you need to read again that I have been a loyal, very strong advocate of Apple and Mac for DECADES, but THEY did wrong to this customer on this MBP, and they should DO THE RIGHT THING! THEY sent bad hardware plagued with even more problems right out of the box and then jerked me around longer than most would have patience for, then outright lied to this long time loyal repeat customer and once strong advocate.

Did I say that you were wrongfully accusing Apple or something? No! Was I defending Apple? No! You need to relax a little bit... I can't dictate the way YOU feel about Apple Care based on MY experience with them.
I'm just stating what's obvious to me after having watched that youtube video. You must've put some hours into making that, and that obviously says you're FRUSTRATED with Apple. A LOT!!

Input to the problem? This is the first time i've heard about something like this. My two cents is that I would've EXCHANGED that first machine that was SO MESSED UP out of the box for a Brand new one, and/or asked for a REPLACEMENT after the same re-occurring issue, and probably wouldn't have been so patient about it as you were.

Sorry for your bad Apple. So where are you now with this whole thing?! Did you get a new MBP or still using the same messed up one? Write an email to sjobs@apple.com stating all your issues. It seems like people have gotten good responses from doing that.

 

[mosx]

Come on dude!! Where have you been for the past month?!?! OVERALL this is how the screens are laid out:
Best - MBP
Second best - MBA
Third best - MB

Why argue with that?!? That's a given, as they are all in different segments.
NOW the fact is that there are BIG differences among the screens in each line, which make some of the comparisons pointless.
You can argue about this all day long, but that's how things are!

Well, as I've said, I've used all systems extensively, especially the MacBooks (I've had 3 myself) and MBPs.

People seem to hold the MBP in such high regard because of the "Pro" moniker and price tag.

But in reality its not that great.

Sure, the MBP screen is BRIGHTER but its not necessarily BETTER. Aside from the brightness its been my EXPERIENCE that its roughly the same. It's just brighter. Viewing angles, color intensity, black levels, etc. are all visually very similar.

The problem is that too many people naturally equate higher price tags and things like "Pro" with better. When thats not necessarily the cause. For example, the MacBook Pro is far from "professional" level. Just look at what PC manufacturers give you in their professional lines for the same price. You'll get twice the RAM, twice the GPU power, twice the ports, higher resolution screens, better build quality with stronger casing, etc. The "Pro" label is just there so Apple can charge twice what its worth.

Seriously?! Why do you have to be a little kid about this? How would you like it if someone said that the ONLY reason you're defending the MB screens is to make yourself feel better about your purchase?!?

Me feel better about my purchase? You must not have read my previous posts

This is a replacement system. I didn't buy it. I've made it very clear in many posts that, given the opportunity, I would get a refund for my Mac or never made the purchase to begin with.

 

[NC MacGuy]

Well, as I've said, I've used all systems extensively, especially the MacBooks (I've had 3 myself) and MBPs.

People seem to hold the MBP in such high regard because of the "Pro" moniker and price tag.

But in reality its not that great.

Sure, the MBP screen is BRIGHTER but its not necessarily BETTER. Aside from the brightness its been my EXPERIENCE that its the same. It's just brighter. Viewing angles, color intensity, black levels, etc. are all visually very similar.

The problem is that too many people naturally equate higher price tags and things like "Pro" with better.

You speak your opinion like it is a product fact. Dunce is too light a word to describe your "facts" - asinine? If you did any research at all, you'd clearly see that the display SPECIFICATIONS are indeed better for the MBA & MBP. It's not just the hype or price of a "Pro" machine.

It's fine for you to say the panel is adequate for your needs and you love it. It's acceptable to say you don't find it lacking for your eyes, which are great. It's truthful to say that the MB has a bright display compared to the previous models. It's just plain idiotic to say that the panels are the same, there is no visual difference and say it repeatedly.

Gizmodo isn't the only one saying and printing this so you should take a look around the other sites. I will post a picture I took of my MB & MBA next to each other again. This was taken after fighting with myself to keep the machine vs. returning it. I wanted to love it but couldn't - like the OP. I tried to talk myself into the Apple hype of the display being great. My eyes and others I asked their opinions about it said the same thing, substandard.

I even went as far as going into the Apple store and trying other panels with the same tests w. an Apple rep. to see if perhaps I had a faulty display. Not so - each of the six units I tested fell woefully short of expectations so that theory was debunked.

I'm happy for you that the MB meets all your requirements but you should really stop fabricating fictitious statements as the panels are the same and have the same spec.'s because it just is not true. Even Apple will tell you that they are not the same.