Out of curiosity why didn't you just sell it when you got the replacement and it was brand new. Now its used and worth less.
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Out of curiosity why didn't you just sell it when you got the replacement and it was brand new. Now its used and worth less.
Why do people keep bashing each other? It only generates more "facepalms.jpg"
People, if the person who bought it likes, it fine, if he doesn't, fine. Its an individual need. There is no need to bash someone else's purchase or there is no need to make feel some awful just because the screen is not up the highest standard.
An informed comment is all that is needed. A comment like "MacBook screens are not as good they could be" are fine and help others realize they have a substandard screen without having to bash out their computer choice or making them feel like total idiots.
Just make a short comment like that Simple, if they ask which screen is better, then say something like "The MacBook Pro/Air is known to have a better screen.." or something in the likes of that.
Now, please remember everyone its an personal choice... don't bash it just because you didn't like it.
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People, if the person who bought it likes, it fine, if he doesn't, fine. Its an individual need. There is no need to bash someone else's purchase or there is no need to make feel some awful just because the screen is not up the highest standard.
An informed comment is all that is needed. A comment like "MacBook screens are not as good they could be" are fine and help others realize they have a substandard screen without having to bash out their computer choice or making them feel like total idiots.
Just make a short comment like that Simple, if they ask which screen is better, then say something like "The MacBook Pro/Air is known to have a better screen.." or something in the likes of that.
Now, please remember everyone its an personal choice... don't bash it just because you didn't like it.
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PERSONAL CHOICE!?! How do you mean?! I just bought mine because everybody said it was cool.....
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Damn! Thank you for busting mosx! It's about time somebody got him good!
BTW- don't expect a reply.
What if I don't want to lug around the extra weight and size, but still want the lit keys?
Hate to say it, but mosx is either a shill for Apple or is colorblind. Maybe the MB screen really does look comparable to a MBA/MBP to his eyes, but just because a person might see no major differences between a cheap wine and a properly aged wine, for example, doesn't mean these differences don't exist. This is the difference between opinion and fact. A bunch of people are of the opinion the MB and MBA/MBP screens are comparable. That's okay. Everybody has different standards. Some people even admitted on this thread they haven't seen better screens yet. Perfectly fine. But to spout opinion as fact, that's not okay. Gizmodo and plenty of other sites/owners have posted pictures of the differences and some have gone so far as to measure the differences with pro level calibration tools. The FACT is that there are major differences in the quality of MB versus MBP/MBA screens.
Having said that though, even knowing that these differences exist I have still kept my aluminum/unibody Macbook. Unlike the OP I decided not to return it. The screen mars what is otherwise quite an amazing notebook and weighing it all it's my opinion that the pros outweigh the cons for me. I've had this thing for over a month and no amount of color profile calibration can fix the black levels. The people who stated it can be fixed with calibration do need to get their eyes checked. Again it is an opinion that calibration fixes the screen but it is FACT through hardware sites analyzing the differences that it cannot be fixed.
The only way to fix it is to pipe the output out to an external screen. That's the only thing that kept me from returning this thing. When I do need proper black levels and sane viewing angles I send the output to my external 24 inch monitor to get real work done.
Having said that though, even knowing that these differences exist I have still kept my aluminum/unibody Macbook. Unlike the OP I decided not to return it. The screen mars what is otherwise quite an amazing notebook and weighing it all it's my opinion that the pros outweigh the cons for me. I've had this thing for over a month and no amount of color profile calibration can fix the black levels. The people who stated it can be fixed with calibration do need to get their eyes checked. Again it is an opinion that calibration fixes the screen but it is FACT through hardware sites analyzing the differences that it cannot be fixed.
The only way to fix it is to pipe the output out to an external screen. That's the only thing that kept me from returning this thing. When I do need proper black levels and sane viewing angles I send the output to my external 24 inch monitor to get real work done.
PERSONAL CHOICE!?! How do you mean?! I just bought mine because everybody said it was cool.....
[sarcasm]wait, I thought it was because Steve Jobs said so... I must obey his Holyness El Jobso
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features add weight
Which brings me back to my first point.. the macbook is the PERFECT balance between features and weight
hehe...
NC MacGuy is spot on. The Macbook screen is a very basic LCD and not of superior quality. Although as I mentioned on an earlier thread Sony and every other manufacturer uses this low end screen.
The MB screen is a nice bright screen with relatively clear text however for those that say it's on par with the MBA/MBP I dare any of you to go to your local store and change the background wallpaper to a black background and check the differences between the MB against the other Apple notebooks. In fact, pull the screen on the MB towards you and watch the black level escape off the screen. It appears as if smog took over the LCD. On the MBA/MBP pull the screen forward and watch the black level remain constant.
I am so happy I returned my Alu Macbook and got the Air. Good screen quality eats up features any day.
The MB screen is a nice bright screen with relatively clear text however for those that say it's on par with the MBA/MBP I dare any of you to go to your local store and change the background wallpaper to a black background and check the differences between the MB against the other Apple notebooks. In fact, pull the screen on the MB towards you and watch the black level escape off the screen. It appears as if smog took over the LCD. On the MBA/MBP pull the screen forward and watch the black level remain constant.
I am so happy I returned my Alu Macbook and got the Air. Good screen quality eats up features any day.
I expected a good screen, and not perfection. A good screen, not perfection, is what I got.
For those who are totally distraught over this - are there not products that you can buy, that are up to your standards? If so, where's the problem?
For those who are totally distraught over this - are there not products that you can buy, that are up to your standards? If so, where's the problem?
I don't really know what your definition of "good screen" is, but my definition is that it has to be at least average for it to be good. Considering that pretty much every notebook at Best Buy starting at about $300 beats the Macbook in both viewing angle and black level, I think it's safe to say the screen is below average and hence not good. Tolerable? For many yes, including myself. But good? No way. Look at the Gizmodo shots and NCMacGuy's pictures and you can't even make out what's on the screen.
If there was a perfect product I would buy it in a heartbeat. I currently own about five or so notebooks. I've lost count trying to find that perfect notebook. Right now the one with the least amount of compromises, at least for me, is the Macbook.
The Air is almost perfect, but the 2 gig soldered ram is a deal breaker. 2 gigs is nice for average use, but any serious work and you start running out of ram.
The Pro solves the screen problem but then is too bulky for my tastes. If I am gonna get something heavy and powerful I might as well get an imac or a PC desktop instead.
That leaves the Macbook, which is a nice balance between the weight of the Air and Pro and the expandability of a desktop. The screen is tolerable if you don't care for blacks and are willing to sit yourself fairly stationary so that the viewing angle isn't a problem, but good... above the industry average it is not.
Sooooo ..... why not buy one of these $300 laptops that sound so awesome?
If there's no Mac-specific reason you're buying a MacBook, why suffer? Why not just get a cheaper laptop with a better screen?
If there's no Mac-specific reason you're buying a MacBook, why suffer? Why not just get a cheaper laptop with a better screen?
Im soon to be purchasing the 15' new mbp
Did a few ones to ones on it now at apple just to try it. When in store i have not had any problems with the screen i think its beautiful
BUT
Lets wait and see. As soon as i start having troubles
Straight back it goes
Did a few ones to ones on it now at apple just to try it. When in store i have not had any problems with the screen i think its beautiful
BUT
Lets wait and see. As soon as i start having troubles
Straight back it goes
I think I explained it above there somewhere. I decided to keep my Macbook because for me, personally, the screen is not a deal breaker. I'm willing to live with it because I hook it up to an external screen for any serious work. For just carrying it around and web browsing and such it's tolerable. You don't really need perfect black levels or even great viewing angles to email and such considering that most of it is a white background anyway.
Even though I admit the screen isn't good, I want to make it clear this is the best notebook I have currently owned. It's not perfect, but it's not like I suffer using it either.
The $300 dollar deals and pretty much most of the notebooks that Best Buy carries suffers from the same problem preventing me from getting a Macbook Pro. They all have those 15 inch screens and weigh like 6 pounds, which is a bit too bulky for my tastes. Carrying that around every day is not my idea of portable.
For the 13 inch range, the Macbook is quite a good value compared to it's competition. OSX + iLife is software that you'd have to pay hundreds of dollars for if you bought a PC, so when both the hardware and software are compared together, the value is there.
Yeah, I hear ya man. I like the MacBook, and OSX, enough to overlook the "lesser" elements.
But I dunno ... seeing threads like this make me shrug. I mean, to me, it's similar to people saying "Man! This laptop sucks! Where's the 7-in-1 card reader?! Where's the X?! Where's the Y?!"
Apple made a product. People can choose to buy it or not. Complaining to Apple won't do anything (especially if you've already bought said product). If you want to 'vote', 'vote' with your wallet and buy something else.
Just a pet peeve, I guess. Same with the iPhone board. "Where's the this?" "Where's the that?" It's like -- damn dude, but something else already.
My 2 cents on this issue.
But I dunno ... seeing threads like this make me shrug. I mean, to me, it's similar to people saying "Man! This laptop sucks! Where's the 7-in-1 card reader?! Where's the X?! Where's the Y?!"
Apple made a product. People can choose to buy it or not. Complaining to Apple won't do anything (especially if you've already bought said product). If you want to 'vote', 'vote' with your wallet and buy something else.
Just a pet peeve, I guess. Same with the iPhone board. "Where's the this?" "Where's the that?" It's like -- damn dude, but something else already.
My 2 cents on this issue
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Agreed. Go cheaper you settle with windows
A operating system many are not happy with
Wow, very pessimistic. Why not just assume that you will have a great experience? You guys spend too much time dwelling on the negative before you even try it. You will definitely have a trouble if you expect it.
What he said! My MB had no problems. The MBA I replaced the MB with has no problems. My new MBP has no problems.
Now I have a BlackBook that has been a total POS and a 12" PB that has fallen down more times than a drunken Jerry's kid and still works but is held together w. duct tape. Go figure?? Luck of the draw but I think Apples QC has been pretty good with these latest notebooks.
Do you purposely not read what I say?
I said that VISUALLY its similar.
People who know what they're talking about know that specs for monitors, other than response time, just like audio, don't mean much in the real world.
It's all about how it actually performs.
And VISUALLY the MacBook Pro screens, on average, are only brighter and not overall much different than the current MacBook.
Did I say the panels are the same?
No I did not.
Visually they are similar. I'm sorry I don't buy into the hype and I'm not afraid to speak the truth about Apple.
And how many of those sites don't bow down to the Almighty Jobs?
Because we all know digital cameras capture lighting from a screen perfectly. And that pictures can NEVER be deceptive. Someone can NEVER find that perfect angle that looks legitimate yet makes one thing look bad while making another look good.
And, again, ONE BAD SCREEN DOESN'T REPRESENT THE ENTIRE LINE.
Do you want me to go to the Best Buy down the street from me and get a picture of the MacBook Air there that has a purple screen screen (obviously defective) and go around parading the fact that the entire MacBook Air line has bad screens?
No, because that would be stupid, wouldn't it?
Its funny how you keep saying that I said they're the same spec.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I said VISUALLY they're not much different.
Again, do you want me to go to Best Buy and get a picture of the purple MacBook Air screen? Then come back and use that ridiculous logic that one bad screen means ALL bad screens?
It's not worthless. I've gotten offers for well over $1,000 for it
I don't mind losing money on it to try it out and see what all the fuss is about.
It's quite a good little machine.
It's just still overpriced. The $1299 system should be $999. The $2499 MacBook Pro should be $1299.
I do honestly really like it. Had to put Windows on it to make it useful
It is a great little machine. But I certainly wouldn't walk into an Apple store and buy one. I only keep it now because I figure I made the original purchase some time ago and I can use this now and sell it in 6 months or maybe more and walk away satisfied knowing that I finally got some moneys worth out of my Mac purchase because I was finally able to use it for more than basic browsing and some emailing. Busting me? He replied to things I didn't even say
Saying I'm talking about specs and things like that when I did no such thing! You can't "bust" someone in a reply when you're replying to things that were never said to begin with.Again, measuring one screen out of the tens of thousands that have already been sold, and the potential millions to be sold in the coming months, does not represent the entire line.
Or you just have a bad screen and the rest of us have a good screen. Have you ever thought of that?
Again, I've sat this system down next to an LED backlit MacBook Pro, both properly calibrated, and other than the brightness, there was very little difference. Black levels were very similar, color levels were similar, etc. Even the response time was the same.
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