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Google Again Surpasses Apple as Most Valuable Company in the World
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iPad was a fun toy but nothing more. It's just not a comfortable platform to anything more than play games and consume content. It excels at that. But to sit down and edit a photograph or movie. To edit a long text document or write code. Even to post a lot on facebook or send emails...the iPad fails miserably. This shouldn't be a problem because macs used to excel at all those tasks and so much more/
But Timmy and Co. are trying to force us into some sort of post PC hellish nightmare where we can all turn our computers in for shiny new iPads.
I'm happy to use an iPad to consume content. For content creation and long term sessions, they can take away my keyboard, mouse, and large screen monitor when they pull them from my cold dead hands. I'll give up anything from Apple before I'll give up my file system, my i7 CPU, and my desktop GPU. Hell, I'd dump Apple in a heartbeat if they tried to force that new $100 keyboard on me. That is the most uncomfortable thing I have ever tried to type on (except for an iPad screen).
And now they are crippling their mac line to try and show how competitive the iPad is. They have totally lost their marbles. The 2016 mac lineup is just plain inferior machines to the 2012 mac lineup. OS X is regressing to try and adopt all the limitations of iOS. If you don't care about iOS convergence features, Mountain Lion is just plain better than El Capitan in every way.
tl;dr: iPads are not computer replacements, their sales are in a sharp down spiral because of that. The more Apple tries to push people from macs onto iPads, the more they are just signing their own death warrant. Make the best back they can and profit. Don't try to trick people into buying iPads they don't want.
To your statement. "Apple is in the lead"
Wrong! Android has the biggest chunk of market worldwide.
Increasing market cap while decreasing share price requires an increase in share count. Share buybacks decrease share count.
The market is behaving as if Apple is not #1 in market cap, it's going bankrupt any day. Ridiculous. And yet I'm salivating at the opportunity. I'm going to be selling some puts - just need to see how low we can go here.
In a way, I'll be glad for Apple to stay #2 for awhile. I think expectations for the biggest market cap company gets a little out of hand. If Google becomes the "standard-bearer", they're going to find out how difficult it is to keep their investors satisfied. What I've learned over my many years of investing is that stock price most often reflects how well the company has met expectations. When those expectations become unrealistic, even if the company is doing fine, the stock price suffers.
In a way, I'll be glad for Apple to stay #2 for awhile. I think expectations for the biggest market cap company gets a little out of hand. If Google becomes the "standard-bearer", they're going to find out how difficult it is to keep their investors satisfied. What I've learned over my many years of investing is that stock price most often reflects how well the company has met expectations. When those expectations become unrealistic, even if the company is doing fine, the stock price suffers.
I can't believe people are actually trying to rationalize Wall Street's irrational valuation of these 2 companies. Apple made more in 3 months than Google made in a year.
Apple has always been misunderstood and under-appreciated. Even with the iPhone launch, Apple never saw valuations as lofty as Facebook or Amazon. At least not that I can remember.
Apple has always been misunderstood and under-appreciated. Even with the iPhone launch, Apple never saw valuations as lofty as Facebook or Amazon. At least not that I can remember.
I don't think there was ever any magic, nevertheless folks are seeing through the illusion.
Just a friendly reminder about all those predictions after SJ passed. I seem to recall SJ left a 5 year pipeline for Apple.
Oct 5, 2016 will be the end of that pipeline. Get out now.
Oct 5, 2016 will be the end of that pipeline. Get out now.
When Google (now Alphabet) bought Motorola it was largely for their patents. We know that Apple has a large patent portfolio, maybe if the price is right, in the distant future, Alphabet will buy Apple for their patents ...
That's really a good point, so that customers will continue to buy their product. But Google doesn't have to play this game. They don't have to innovate anything if you've been observing all this years. All Google have to do is pretend they are changing the world. Show some insteresting futuristic projects every year. Let the media talk about and they get all the attention. Wether they kill that project or not as long that they have something new again every year, as long people get excited. Somehow they managed to keep themselves relevant to current tech industry. That's why they're milking this ad revenue easy money ha.
This has nothing to do with innovation. If anything, Wall Street punishes innovative companies for not delivering impossible growth every quarter.
No, your insults are not valid, they are unwanted, rude and against the forum rules. It's not to much to ask for a but of decorum. I'll say please once again. Stop with the insults.
The people saying apple innovate aren't realizing Apple can't innovate where Google is. Apple has always been consumer focused. The friendly computer, the ipad, the iphone. Which has served them well no doubt but it has them in a specific market.
Google has expanded in the non-consumer/professional realms where the big money is at. They provide backend stuff for business services and other stuff. this can be where the money is. Licensing, support contracts, etc.
Especially now with cloud based services. Companies are slowly turning to not even buying hardware. they rent cloud resources basically. Or ESX, windows hyper V, other enterprise level virtualization options say hi if local hardware used. All these option have one thing in common...if that install disc /file can be made into an iso for no muss no fuss install well then install away to your hearts content on what your virtual cluster can support.
Then tack on licensing and such. And google is all over the place here. From consumer based google docs to professional/business level applications. Consumers don't see this part...its the pretty web/gui front end you click away on. Backend...Google did some work developing from scratch or tbh acquired a few companies then developed off what they had. Only the vendor/company/site devs used knows about the backend. And how much they pay to use it lol.
Apple can't touch this. they'd have to stop the whole our hardware/our OS model. At the minimum....Mac os would need to run in virtual. And not parallels let me make an install from your recovery partition. I am talking throw in datacenter, lots of drive space, lots of RAM and the admins ability to make OS vm's is limited only by datacenter resources.
And Apple would have to get back into professional software development. An area they are all but bowing out from. Aperture dead, FCP to me I'd say is stagnant, imo, to the point of worrying how long its going to be around. They can't even be assed to swift recode their own stuff to say hey....we wanted to show you all what swift can do. Here is apple app x in swift, see how fast she runs now? Swift is on its second version...they have had time to do this.
TL;DR; They aren't pushing software innovation...google is. Here they will lose. hardware is crap compared money wise to software licensing, usage fees and support contracts. Software innovation does not mean new widget in OS X. Apple makes no software worth even $1000 a year in annual contract fees. Bitter IT vets know well $1000 is chump change here. My cheapest support contract renewal is $15000. This is just 1 of many support contracts in place....
Google has expanded in the non-consumer/professional realms where the big money is at. They provide backend stuff for business services and other stuff. this can be where the money is. Licensing, support contracts, etc.
Especially now with cloud based services. Companies are slowly turning to not even buying hardware. they rent cloud resources basically. Or ESX, windows hyper V, other enterprise level virtualization options say hi if local hardware used. All these option have one thing in common...if that install disc /file can be made into an iso for no muss no fuss install well then install away to your hearts content on what your virtual cluster can support.
Then tack on licensing and such. And google is all over the place here. From consumer based google docs to professional/business level applications. Consumers don't see this part...its the pretty web/gui front end you click away on. Backend...Google did some work developing from scratch or tbh acquired a few companies then developed off what they had. Only the vendor/company/site devs used knows about the backend. And how much they pay to use it lol.
Apple can't touch this. they'd have to stop the whole our hardware/our OS model. At the minimum....Mac os would need to run in virtual. And not parallels let me make an install from your recovery partition. I am talking throw in datacenter, lots of drive space, lots of RAM and the admins ability to make OS vm's is limited only by datacenter resources.
And Apple would have to get back into professional software development. An area they are all but bowing out from. Aperture dead, FCP to me I'd say is stagnant, imo, to the point of worrying how long its going to be around. They can't even be assed to swift recode their own stuff to say hey....we wanted to show you all what swift can do. Here is apple app x in swift, see how fast she runs now? Swift is on its second version...they have had time to do this.
TL;DR; They aren't pushing software innovation...google is. Here they will lose. hardware is crap compared money wise to software licensing, usage fees and support contracts. Software innovation does not mean new widget in OS X. Apple makes no software worth even $1000 a year in annual contract fees. Bitter IT vets know well $1000 is chump change here. My cheapest support contract renewal is $15000. This is just 1 of many support contracts in place....
Apple hasn't gotten to where they are by listing marketing bullet points so why are you doing that? Their customer base is the most valuable and loyal. Their revenues overshadow everyone including Google and Microsoft combined. They don't need me to defend them but they do need me to explain to posters getting value confused with share price.
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Every year we hear complaints like yours until Apple changes the game again. They don't update the software you mention because they're working on newer, better stuff that will change the industry in a year or two. Why put your A list team on software bumps and updates when they can be doing something truly innovative. They did it with FCPX a few years ago, iWork, Logic and some of their consumer apps too. They'll do it again because they need reasons for people to buy their hardware.
Um,
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2015/06/08/ios-9-features-apple-borrowed-from-android/
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-features-apple-borrowed-from-android-in-the-last-year-2015-7
http://www.greenbot.com/article/2357526/5-ios-8-features-apple-obviously-borrowed-from-android.html
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-features-copied-from-windows-android
http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/25-th...-my-iphone-feel-like-it-comes-from-the-1990s/
https://www.thrillist.com/tech/things-android-phones-can-do-that-iphones-can-t
Getting bored. Sorry for any overlap. These and similar articles have come out for years, but most people who read tech news and keep up know ALL these companies borrow and steal from one another. Even Steve Jobs admitted as much on camera!