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Didn’t take long for that shoe to drop.

It’s time for people to realize that the big players in tech are surveillance operations, full stop.

They ALL are. It's been in documentation for 20+ years what they wanted to roll out.
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This is why I own an iPhone.
Except, is any of your data on any sort of Cloud/iCloud etc?
 
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They ALL are. It's been in documentation for 20+ years what they wanted to roll out.
Yup, just like the upcoming 5G powered “smart cities” of the not to distant future, the goal of Silicon Valley has always been to build a friendly version of mass surveillance at the behest of their seed funders: the pentagon.

People should read Yasha Levine’s book on the often deflected from true origins of the tech boom:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34220713-surveillance-valley
 
Not surprising that Google is doing this intentionally.

Just waiting to see what Apple does with this information - same issue, different criminals.

Surely Apple has had enough information regarding both the Facebook and Google services on their platform. According to this article, the Google program has been running on iOS since 2012 without issue.

2012 also happens to be the same year Apple began participating in this program:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

I want to believe Apple values user privacy more than the likes of Google and Facebook, but I take everything they say on these matters with a pinch of salt.
 
And the question one needs to ask: does Android contain this kind of spyware out of the box?

No need to ask.

At this point, I'll never touch an Android device. I'm a 34 year old millennial -- lots of years still left in my life, but you couldn't pay me enough to use a Google device and have all my personal info vacuumed up and sold off.

All you have to do to see Google's power to collect personal and location data is simply open Google Maps. It's traffic conditions are very accurate - why do you think that is?
 
No need to ask.

At this point, I'll never touch an Android device. I'm a 34 year old millennial -- lots of years still left in my life, but you couldn't pay me enough to use a Google device and have all my personal info vacuumed up and sold off.

All you have to do to see Google's power to collect personal and location data is simply open Google Maps. It's traffic conditions are very accurate - why do you think that is?
34-year-olds are millennials... you’re Gen X.
 
I mean, is it really a privacy issue if they told you what the app was doing? If you decide to use it then that's on you
 
It’s time for people to realize that the big players in tech are surveillance operations, full stop.
They are advertising companies in the guise of technology companies. Almost all the effort (search, maps, mail etc.) is geared towards collecting data using the 'implied consent' mindset, not explicitly being transparent about their collected data, user control of the data and usage of the data.
 
When a company i worked for in the past asked us to load a security management software so that we can use our private phones for business and offered 20 dollar per month i declined because i didnt trust them.

It’s funny that i got not only negative feedback at work for that but also here on this forum. I was told that this is totally safe and my phone can not be tracked and i’m ridiculous and paranoid.
 
next up on today’s episode of who wants to get their cert revoked...

The idiots in the Facebook case who used the same internal enterprise cert for customer/production use is so foolish it defies logic, then want to cop an attitude when it’s revoked. I’d hope google is smart enough to use a burner cert for their clandestine operations.
 
I mean, is it really a privacy issue if they told you what the app was doing? If you decide to use it then that's on you
Do you really claim to understand the implications of how data collection on you today will impact your life decades from now? Purchasing information and user habits are already being rolled into credit score ratings.

We’re looking at a different corporate-centered American version of China’s “social credit rating” surveillance system being built in real time. I don’t think people understand how all these different companies feed our information to each other and do far more with it than merely advertise to you.
 
Anyone know who buys all this data and how they use it? If these companies think they can make me switch from Charmin toilet tissue to something else...no way!
 
They are advertising companies in the guise of technology companies. Almost all the effort (search, maps, mail etc.) is geared towards collecting data using the 'implied consent' mindset, not explicitly being transparent about their collected data, user control of the data and usage of the data.
Agreed, but it’s far more pernicious behind the scenes than merely just advertising (which is bad enough given that advertising is merely the commercial application of propaganda models, both sides of that coin having been developed by Edward Bernays).
 
Anyone know who buys all this data and how they use it? If these companies think they can make me switch from Charmin toilet tissue to something else...no way!

That’s the beauty of it. Thanks to advances in data storage and retrieval, this data can be packaged up very nicely for archive or be analyzed real time in tons of different ways. If there isn’t a buyer now there might be one tomorrow (or 50 years from now). And there are limitless copies that can be made.
 
Well, this is about as shocking as the snow on the ground outside my house in January!
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Seriously, wasn’t/isn’t Google working WITH the Chinese to help create a system for the Chinese gov’t to track their people?
 
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Go Apple! Google needs a spanking too! Maybe even more than FB! Can’t be trusted with our stuff? Then you lose it! If it’s worth teaching in second grade, it’s worth applying in life. Like now.

Paddle ‘em good!
 
So far we've heard about free apps being distributed in this manner... are there any paid apps distributed in this manner?

It seems way better to just pay $300/year for one of these certificates and then have 100% control over everything you're doing with your app than to pay $100/year plus 30% of everything to Apple for you to surrender huge amounts of control over to Apple.
 
Agreed, but it’s far more pernicious behind the scenes than merely just advertising (which is bad enough given that advertising is merely the commercial application of propaganda models, both sides of that coin having been developed by Edward Bernays).
Thanks, added Propaganda to my reading list.
 
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