In this post you said "It takes two to tango" in response to my comments about this being a good decision because Google is a monopoly. What is "tango" in your statement?
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Google and Apple's Search Engine Deal Violates Antitrust Law
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No problem. My reply was to help klasma understand the argued intent of the ISA.Maybe I misread you and we agree
A tango is a dance that requires 2 to dance in a close, connected movement.
This won’t change the fact everyone will still use google
Less than 5% of their revenue stream, but all of that 5% is profit. That will reduce their net profit margin from 25% to 21%. That's not going to look good to Wall Street.
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This case actually provides a really nice contrast for Apple relative to what a Monopoly looks like.
I know what a Tango is. I'm asking you how the metaphor applies to this case.
Duck Duck Go uses the Bing search engine... which could be another issue for the government.
This would be true in a static world. I don't like Google. So, I've tried using Bing, Ecosia, and DuckDuckGo. I even set them to be the default search engines on different devices. I'll be damned if half the time I don't wind up going to Google to find the results I'm looking for. It is frustrating because I really don't want them to get my business. Unfortunately, the search engines really do suck hard.
Fortunately, the world is not static. Both Bing and OpenAI are integrating AI with search in ways that have the potential to give the current Google search paradigm a true market challenge.
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But what to do? People still want it to be the default anyway.
The paid agreement that Google has with Apple to be the default search engine on the iPhone and other Apple devices violates antitrust law, a federal judge ruled today (via Bloomberg).
Google has long paid Apple billions of dollars a year to be the default Safari search engine, and this relationship has been under scrutiny as Google battles antitrust allegations made by the United States Justice Department. The court today found in favor of the DoJ, and said that Google is indeed shutting out competition by paying smartphone makers for default status.
Google's agreements with Apple and other smartphone makers have a "significant effect" maintaining Google's search monopoly, keeping other search engines from competing and reinforcing Google's dominant position. Google has a search market share of around 95 percent on smartphones, in part due to the money that it pays.
In 2022, Google paid Apple $20 billion, an amount that incentivizes Apple to stick with the status quo. Apple does not provide opportunities to other search engines, nor does it develop its own search product due to the money that it receives from Google, according to the DoJ.
After considering testimony from Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other companies, the court decided that Google has a search monopoly. "Google is a monopolist, and it has acted as one to maintain its monopoly. It has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act," reads the ruling.
The court will need to decide on the next actions to take to address Google's anticompetitive practices, and injunctions could be forthcoming.
Google and Apple could in the future be barred from entering into search agreements, which will result in a revenue loss for both companies. Apple will not get billions for promoting Google Search, and Google will lose out on being the default option across billions of Apple devices.
Google is likely to appeal the decision.
Article Link: Google and Apple's Search Engine Deal Violates Antitrust Law
Yeah, seems excessive to me. It’s not like there’s a good alternative. The only alternative would be for Apple to develop their own search engine.
Apparently yeah.
But android phones ship with google services by default (and google search) yet they seem ok? or is it ok because technically it's a third party (e.g. samsung) configuring it like that.
Why develop anything if one days some one says your too good and popular so we the government are going to take it away.
Aren’t most of DDG's "traditional" search results sourced from Bing?
A problem with his theory is that with Google out of the default picture, there's really only one company left in a realistic position to pay Apple in the billions to be the default search. Being the only contender and having no one "bidding" against them, Microsoft now has less of a reason to pay up to or above Google level to be that default.
That sounds like short term thinking which Apple rarely does. It also sounds like a slam dunk for another monopoly ruling against Apple. The most popular phone platform defaults to their own search engine. Even Apple fans can see the clear violation.
It looks like I’m in the dark here, why?Imagine what this means to Mozilla... bye bye Firefox
yaaaaay!!! Another day another way to see google as the low self esteem whacko nosey busybody’s that they truly are….paper gangsters, that’s their persona. Smh
Apple would be in the same pickle as Google if they came up with their own search engine.
search engines are going extinct. AI is the new wave and Apple will make that money back as they charge us for tiered AI services. Probably bundle it in with iCloud+ storage options or Apple One.