Google and Other Suppliers Begin Cutting Off Huawei Following U.S. Trade Ban

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Last week, president Donald Trump signed an order to restrict Huawei Technologies from selling its equipment in the United States in an attempt to curb Huawei's access to U.S. markets. This included placing Huawei on a blacklist that could forbid it from doing business with American companies.


    Now, the effect of the blacklisting has hit the China supply chain this week, with chipmakers Intel, Qualcomm, Xilinx, and Broadcom all telling their employees that they will not supply Huawei until further notice. Additionally, Google has cut off the supply of hardware and some software services to Huawei, specifically suspending all business with the company "that requires the transfer of hardware, software and technical services except those publicly available via open source licensing" (via Bloomberg and Reuters).

    Google's suspension is particularly troublesome for Huawei's hardware business:
    Although Gmail, YouTube, and Chrome will disappear from future Huawei smartphones, anyone who owns an existing Huawei device with access to the Google Play Store will be able to download app updates from Google. The impact of the blacklisting is expected to be "minimal" in China, because most Google mobile apps are already banned in the Chinese market, where popular alternatives from Tencent and Baidu are more common.

    In regards to the presidential ban, Huawei is said to have been stockpiling enough chips and other vital components to keep its business afloat for at least three months, in preparation for such an event. According to sources close to the company, executives believe Huawei has become a bargaining chip in the ongoing trade war between the U.S. and China and that things will go back to normal once a deal is reached.
    Apple has a long history with Huawei, which hasn't been completely amicable over the past few months. Earlier this year, the U.S. Justice Department announced a series of criminal charges against Huawei for bank fraud, wire fraud, obstructing justice, and stealing trade secrets, sometimes aimed at Apple. Despite all of the issues for the company, Huawei remains a dominant force in the China smartphone market and was far ahead of Apple in the first quarter of 2019.

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  2. MrGunnyPT macrumors 6502


    Mar 23, 2017
    Google is basically doing what China did to them over there.

    Anyway.. I have nothing against Huawei products but for months we knew that this was a possibility and that it could happen at any given moment... So much that Huawei themselves have their own OS ready to go at any given time (already using that on the wearables)

    I'm curious to see what they are gonna do regarding the storefront... Maybe we even get a storefront war like we have on PC Gaming right now.

    Also don't forget this affects every part of Huawei since both Intel & Qualcomm also have to cut ties with em.
  3. HMFIC03 macrumors regular


    Jan 19, 2011
    There is good reason why they have not been allowed in/near certain military facilities. Smart move, unfortunately a little too late
  4. macrumors 6502a

    May 4, 2011
    Mumbai (India)
    ...and that will eventually push chinese companies to be less reliant on US, by building their own techs. Which means initial trouble but stronger future for China.
  5. Mansu944 macrumors 6502

    Mar 11, 2012
    Chinese tech companies are the Chinese government. China is a communist regime. We can profit from them but let’s not do anything to make them stronger.
  6. BootsWalking, May 20, 2019
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    BootsWalking macrumors 65816

    Feb 1, 2014
    And yet America has provided zero evidence, to its citizens or to its allies, that Huawei represents a national security threat to our country or to our allies. Apparently Huawei's crime was taking the worldwide lead in 5G technology, both in terms of patents and shipping products, in a era where free-market beliefs have been supplanted with nationalistic protectionism.
  7. Number 41 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2009
    Assuming that they'll just reverse engineer / copy whatever tech that they need and go forward without any need for the American supply chain. During the time it takes to do this, they'll be heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.
  8. Mike MA macrumors 68000

    Mike MA

    Sep 21, 2012
    Going in with Apple facing some production or shipping issues soon.
  9. haruhiko macrumors 601


    Sep 29, 2009
    Talk about protectionism.. which country banned most of the internet and created its own tech giants just because everyone else is blocked?
  10. Number 41 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2009
    Imagine a world where Apple and Google captured the same amount of private information about you as they do right now (including location services, access to your phone's data remotely, etc.) -- except they willingly share it with the United States government upon ANY request (be it national security or otherwise), with no need for a court order or due process.

    That's the reality for Chinese companies like Huawei.
  11. Jsameds macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2008

    We don’t want Chinese spies in our pockets.
  12. BootsWalking macrumors 65816

    Feb 1, 2014
    We don't have to imagine it: NYT: NSA Triples Collection of Data From U.S. Phone Companies
  13. kemal macrumors 65816


    Dec 21, 2001
    The so called government of China always gets what it wants whenever it wants it.
  14. paul4339 macrumors 65816

    Sep 14, 2009
    The ban supposedly also includes ZTE.
    Will the sanctions eventually bleed over to software like Windows and companies like Lenovo?
  15. mdnz macrumors 6502

    Apr 14, 2010
    The Netherlands
    [Comment redacted by the NSA]
  16. dmylrea macrumors 68030


    Sep 27, 2005
    So is that Huawei's fault or the Chinese government?
  17. gigapocket1 macrumors 68000

    Mar 15, 2009
    Look no further than the Apple battery cases.. order today.. and you are looking at 4-6 weeks
  18. citysnaps macrumors 601

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco
    Huawei and other Chinese wireless companies have been engaged in wireless infrastructure meddling and IP transfer since the late 1990s.

    The bad news is that since the recent US trade and tariffs dispute with the Chinese government, they have as a result been pushing hard for its citizens to buy Chinese wireless products. And unfortunately, that's reflected in Apple share prices commensurate with further declining Chinese sales.
  19. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
    Precisely. The focus needs to be far more diligent on protection of intellectual property. They are the global leader in technology theft.

    Always have been, always will be. Actions like this will have a huge impact on companies like Apple as the Nationalistic Rabidity in China has already begun. iPhone sales will fall through the floor.

    They follow orders like mice following the piper off the cliff. :apple:
  20. rp2011 macrumors 65816


    Oct 12, 2010
    This is not good. There will be a cascade of unintended consequences. This is the classic cutting off of our noses to spite our faces.
  21. ilikewhey macrumors 6502a


    May 14, 2014
    nyc upper east
    huawei saw this coming years ago, thats why they started HISILICON to make their own kirin processor, and have been developing their own OS for years, whether or not folks would like huawei's own OS is remain to be seen.
  22. techwhiz macrumors 6502a

    Feb 22, 2010
    Northern Ca.
    But they have shows a blatant disregard for the law throughout their history.
    They have stolen trade secrets and copied product from Cisco and others.
    This isn't speculation but fact.
  23. realtuner macrumors 6502a


    Mar 8, 2019
    Not likely. Apple manufacturing brings in billions to China and employs a substantial number of people. So does the manufacture of countless other products.

    Huawei is only one company. I don’t see China jeopardizing their entire manufacturing industry over Huawei.
  24. citysnaps macrumors 601

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco
    For sure on that. It's a difficult situation.

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